Originally Posted by Letters
except on wages!
I don't think Wenger will purposely overspend but there will be pressure on him to spend big this winter and summer.
I don't think Wenger will purposely overspend but there will be pressure on him to spend big this winter and summer.
Yes. Wenger famously listens to advise and caves in to pressure from fans and the media.
Still so concerned with defending Wenger.
I'm saying I'm against that call for him to spend more because it won't solve our problems. If he decides to stick his fingers up to the fans and media this winter and summer then you won't hear any complaints from me. We'd be wasting money.
How is me saying he never listens to advice or caves in to pressure defending Wenger?
Because that's all you seem to be concerned with. Oversensitive to any criticism and jumped in this thread thinking this is more knee jerk reaction stuff when it's not.How is me saying he never listens to advice or caves in to pressure defending Wenger?
You're a guy that often worries about life without Wenger and states the financial advantage other clubs have or how managerial changes can effect a club.....dig a little deeper and try to figure out my concern.
That's not what I said actually. I said the fact that people only post in here when we lose makes it look kneejerk although I also said there are obviously long standing reasons for people wanting Wenger to go. I've also repeatedly said we do need to move on from Wenger, I just don't want us to panic and sack him with no plan for what we do next. And yes, I'll defend Wenger when people start overly insulting him or criticizing every single thing he does as though literally nothing he does makes any sense.
I've seen people say that Chelsea and City's infinite money cheat is an 'excuse'. Clearly it isn't. The top two clubs right now are City and Chelsea, miles clear of anyone else. Liverpool managed to muscle in on the party last year in a season when they had no European football and had one player on insane form, even then they fell short in the end. Some on here were hailing Rodgers a genius but they're nowhere near repeating it. The only person who has managed to stop one of the two billionaire-fueled clubs winning the title in the last 10 years is Ferguson who, in my view, is the GOAT in terms of management. That last season he was there...there's just no way they should have won the title with their squad vs City's or Chelsea's yet they won it at a canter. I don't care who our manager is, that problem is always going to be there unless the footballing authorities bother to impose financial fair play regulations that have any bite, which will never happen. All that said, we should be closer to those two with our resources and that is where Wenger is failing.
As for how managerial changes have affected other clubs, Moyes was a disaster for Utd, Van Gaal has had to go nuts in the transfer market to get them back in contention, even then they have no serious chance of the title this year. Spurs have repeatedly got on the managerial merry-go-round trying to break into the top 4 and failed to do so with any consistency. A change of management - especially when a manager has been with a club for so long and is so involved in every aspect of the club - needs to be carefully planned.
We were actually on a pretty good run before the Southampton game. Southampton have lost to City and Utd at home but no-one else, Chelsea only drew there. Losing there is not a disaster although from what I heard we were awful, which is more of a concern. But overall in our last ten games in all competitions our results have been pretty good: W7 D1 L2 (Chelsea's last 10, for comparison, are: W6 D2 L2). This season has been a bit of a fiasco but there have been some signs of improvement of late, if only in terms of results which, ultimately, are what matter. I see no reason to panic and sack Wenger right this second with no plan as to what to do next.
We've had years of this mediocrity now, I don't think the criticism is knee jerk any more. I am still happy to see us win, but that doesn't change my overall opinion that we are stagnating under Wenger. He has to go.
I'm not sure how consistently being in the top 4 could be considered mediocre, it's the stagnation and Groundhog Day we need to get out of though.
For a club of Arsenal's size and resources, I'd call that mediocre. We are stagnating in mediocrity.
Arsene Wenger, the only football manager that got paid 8 million quid to do nothing but sit on his arse..
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