Formula 1 2016

[Power n Glory]

Oh come off it. There's no more privileged driver in F1 than Hamilton. He's never sat in anything bar the fastest car, so if Rosberg's pedigree is under examination then Hamilton's should be too. I've watched races where Hamilton dominated Rosberg and vice versa, it has been a fairly close battle over the last few seasons and while Hamilton has come out on top overall he's hardly head and shoulders above. Sometimes you just have to give some credit to the guy who fulfils such a rare ambition. Formula 1 world champ. You don't get there by being afraid to race.

When was the last time we've had a world champ that wasn't in one of the fastest cars?

[Niall_Quinn]

When was the last time we've had a world champ that wasn't in one of the fastest cars?

THE fastest car. We know Mansell, Senna, Schumacher, Vettel were all fast in shit buckets. Hamilton never had that test. Last guy to win it without having a massive advantage under his arse was Raikonnen.

[Power n Glory]

THE fastest car. We know Mansell, Senna, Schumacher, Vettel were all fast in shit buckets. Hamilton never had that test. Last guy to win it without having a massive advantage under his arse was Raikonnen.

Red Bull had the best car when Vettel won. Vettel's been in a shit bucket with Ferrari this season and didn't win a race.

[Niall_Quinn]

Red Bull had the best car when Vettel won. Vettel's been in a shit bucket with Ferrari this season and didn't win a race.

The logic being what? People are complaining about some sort of agenda against Hamilton whereas in fact he's had all the advantages throughout his career. He's the least likely candidate you could say has been disadvantaged. He's not alone. Vettel and Schumacher sat in markedly superior cars, though never with as much advantage on all tracks and in all conditions as these Mercedes seem to have. We haven't seen such an advantage since back in the days of the ridiculous Reno turbos. Plenty of others have taken advantage of the best equipment and that's how it will go in the future, it's not surprising, it's just a fact. But if we call all those drivers worthy champions then why is Rosberg the exception? Hamilton had the car to beat him and he didn't. Last year it was the other way around. So either they are both worthy champions or neither is.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

The logic being what? People are complaining about some sort of agenda against Hamilton whereas in fact he's had all the advantages throughout his career. He's the least likely candidate you could say has been disadvantaged. He's not alone. Vettel and Schumacher sat in markedly superior cars, though never with as much advantage on all tracks and in all conditions as these Mercedes seem to have. We haven't seen such an advantage since back in the days of the ridiculous Reno turbos. Plenty of others have taken advantage of the best equipment and that's how it will go in the future, it's not surprising, it's just a fact. But if we call all those drivers worthy champions then why is Rosberg the exception? Hamilton had the car to beat him and he didn't. Last year it was the other way around. So either they are both worthy champions or neither is.

Hamilton does have a clear advantage to the rest of the field and no one has disputed that, the point is whether Rosberg was favoured over Hamilton by Mercedes this season and I would argue that there are very strong indicators of that.

Would I and everyone who watches F1 prefer a level playing field where everyone drives a same performance car? I'd love that....that would be fantastic for the sport. But it's not going to happen especially as long as that greedy old fuck Bernie Ecclestone remains at the helm.

Of course there has always been a hierarchy of quality at F1, the difference is it's got worse especially in the last ten years.

But I would say there is a strong case to make that Hamilton would come out on top anyway, he's a better driver than his nearest competitors in terms of raw ability (Vettel and Alonso).

[Power n Glory]

The logic being what? People are complaining about some sort of agenda against Hamilton whereas in fact he's had all the advantages throughout his career. He's the least likely candidate you could say has been disadvantaged. He's not alone. Vettel and Schumacher sat in markedly superior cars, though never with as much advantage on all tracks and in all conditions as these Mercedes seem to have. We haven't seen such an advantage since back in the days of the ridiculous Reno turbos. Plenty of others have taken advantage of the best equipment and that's how it will go in the future, it's not surprising, it's just a fact. But if we call all those drivers worthy champions then why is Rosberg the exception? Hamilton had the car to beat him and he didn't. Last year it was the other way around. So either they are both worthy champions or neither is.

Logic being you got your facts wrong about Vettel. He didn't win a single GP this season. I rate Hamilton because even when he's had a shit car he has pushed it to it's limits. He's something else in wet conditions and thrives off the pressure. I can't say the same about Rosberg. The fact that he's retiring and not defending his title is suspicious for me.

Most of the titles over the last 10 years have come down to whichever team has the best car and tech. It's nothing new. But my preference when it comes to drivers, Hamilton, Riccardo, Alonso and if Mad Max can learn from his mistakes and keep up the brilliant performances, he'll be up there. I prefer racers.

[Niall_Quinn]

Logic being you got your facts wrong about Vettel. He didn't win a single GP this season. I rate Hamilton because even when he's had a shit car he has pushed it to it's limits. He's something else in wet conditions and thrives off the pressure. I can't say the same about Rosberg. The fact that he's retiring and not defending his title is suspicious for me.

Most of the titles over the last 10 years have come down to whichever team has the best car and tech. It's nothing new. But my preference when it comes to drivers, Hamilton, Riccardo, Alonso and if Mad Max can learn from his mistakes and keep up the brilliant performances, he'll be up there. I prefer racers.

Vettel was a great racer when he was younger, and he wasn't sitting in a McLaren. We don't know if Hamilton is a great racer, all we know is he's fast in the best car. But not as fast on as many occasions as Rosberg, it turns out.

[Power n Glory]

Vettel was a great racer when he was younger, and he wasn't sitting in a McLaren. We don't know if Hamilton is a great racer, all we know is he's fast in the best car. But not as fast on as many occasions as Rosberg, it turns out.

I thought you watched F1?

[Niall_Quinn]

I thought you watched F1?

Ah well.

[Goonermerree]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/38185582

'Nico Rosberg retires: 'A classy move from a classy man'

Or a wimp?