Ozil - Do we need him?

[mastermind84]

Cesc would shoot more, drop deep to try and play combinations or just look for the killer pass to win us the tie. He had far less to work with. Tactically, we had games where Eboue and Diaby were our wide players! Games where he had to play with an ageing Gilberto or a complete lazy shite in Denilson. Justin Hoyte used to play right back for us but I’d still see that team play with more style and purpose than this current lot. Fuck no would Cesc struggle in this team.

I know this is hard for you, but the managerial talent in the league today is eons better than it was during that era. Like not even close. Wenger was still a top class manager during this period.

When Pochettino arrived in England, the game changed completely. Now you have Guardiola, Klopp, a fading Mourinho, and even a guy like Koeman.

This is Wenger's best squad since the Emirates move. I really believe that, and its among the best in the league but he has no idea how to put this group together to win.

Having a slow ass Fabregas in our midfield will expose him even more and won't make a difference.

[mastermind84]

Wenger is not a manager who looks at the details. He has never been that way.

The problem is football manager are now looking at the details and exploiting that, and Arsenal will fall further behind as long as Wenger is still around.

[Letters]

This is Wenger's best squad since the Emirates move. I really believe that, and its among the best in the league but he has no idea how to put this group together to win.

That's how I see it.
There's very little wrong with our squad, not that it couldn't be strengthened but we don't need a huge clear out in order to compete.

[Niall_Quinn]

None of it makes any difference. Wenger is staying and the offer on the table is at least 2 more years of the same old shit. In many ways, I'm not tempted.

[Power n Glory]

I know this is hard for you, but the managerial talent in the league today is eons better than it was during that era. Like not even close. Wenger was still a top class manager during this period.

When Pochettino arrived in England, the game changed completely. Now you have Guardiola, Klopp, a fading Mourinho, and even a guy like Koeman.

This is Wenger's best squad since the Emirates move. I really believe that, and its among the best in the league but he has no idea how to put this group together to win.

Having a slow ass Fabregas in our midfield will expose him even more and won't make a difference.

You mean like Xhaka? A ‘slow assed’ Fabregas wouldn’t help in protecting the defence but he’d be 10 times more effective when it comes to transitions, controlling the midfield and creating clear cut chances on goal. Once he left the squad, our style of play was never same despite teams and managers in the Prem being the same.

What he’s doing offensively for Chelsea is all the proof you need. He’s played less games than Ozil and not even a starter but has more assists. Ok, he doesn’t start games because he’s weak on defence but Ozil and Xhaka are far weaker players on defence in comparison. Their defensive contribution is a joke and it’s not worth it considering the little we get from them in attack.

[Power n Glory]

But you're jus confirming what I'm saying. When football was closer to what Wenger could cope with, his lesser teams could at least make a show of it. Now he's so out of his depth that nobody working with him could make a blind bit of difference over the course of the season. The last player we had who blew the league away, RvC, tried to do it on his own and ended up moving to Utd, where he showed it is possible to win it single handedly - provided Wenger is not involved. Give Wenger Messi and Ronaldo and it wouldn't make any difference. He'd play them in defence anyway.

You realise - this cocksucker is playing Ox in a back 5. This is where we are. I don't know why you are looking for the subtleties when we are a million miles away from the basics.

I've made this point before but when we had Cesc and RVP having to lead the team on their own, it was clear day that they were great players for us but couldn't produce magic for us week in week out. We're still waiting for Ozil to turn up in a big game for fucks sakes. I'm not confirming what you're saying at all. Ozil is just as much of a passenger for Germany and when Ancelotti arrived for Madrid, he didn't want him either. Even for Madrid, Ozil revealed Mourinho had to pin him and tell him that one or two good passes per game doesn't mean you've done your job. Over the past 4 years, despite seeing great players really carry the burden, we've been accepting the bare minimum from him.

[Niall_Quinn]

You mean like Xhaka? A ‘slow assed’ Fabregas wouldn’t help in protecting the defence but he’d be 10 times more effective when it comes to transitions, controlling the midfield and creating clear cut chances on goal. Once he left the squad, our style of play was never same despite teams and managers in the Prem being the same.

What he’s doing offensively for Chelsea is all the proof you need. He’s played less games than Ozil and not even a starter but has more assists. Ok, he doesn’t start games because he’s weak on defence but Ozil and Xhaka are far weaker players on defence in comparison. Their defensive contribution is a joke and it’s not worth it considering the little we get from them in attack.

No it isn't! Because he's doing it for the chavs. A bloke called Conte runs that team. A bloke who will achieve in a year what Wenger hasn't been able to do in over a decade. AND with a team that was on the slide. That's the real proof you are looking for.

[Niall_Quinn]

I've made this point before but when we had Cesc and RVP having to lead the team on their own, it was clear day that they were great players for us but couldn't produce magic for us week in week out. We're still waiting for Ozil to turn up in a big game for fucks sakes. I'm not confirming what you're saying at all. Ozil is just as much of a passenger for Germany and when Ancelotti arrived for Madrid, he didn't want him either. Even for Madrid, Ozil revealed Mourinho had to pin him and tell him that one or two good passes per game doesn't mean you've done your job. Over the past 4 years, despite seeing great players really carry the burden, we've been accepting the bare minimum from him.

The "Ozil doesn't turn up for big games" bullshit is pure media. Arsenal doesn't turn up for the big games and this brings us back to square one. Are we relying on Ozil to compensate? If so, we picked the wrong player. If we want a world class playmaker in a well drilled team then Ozil is our man. If we want an expensive artisan trying to dance on a reservoir of sewage then, however you look at it, it's not going to be pretty. You seem to have it in for the guy because he doesn't have the character to pull this team up by himself, despite the crazed manager. He didn't have that character at Madrid and he didn't have it for the Germans. Other players provided that and Ozil supplied the ammo. That's what he does, in teams that have an ambition to attack the opposition, rather than bore them to death.

[Power n Glory]

No it isn't! Because he's doing it for the chavs. A bloke called Conte runs that team. A bloke who will achieve in a year what Wenger hasn't been able to do in over a decade. AND with a team that was on the slide. That's the real proof you are looking for.

No way. Are you surprised that he’s doing it for the Chavs? Have you seen anything to Cesc’s game that you haven’t seen him do when playing for Arsenal? Hell no. The only difference is that he’s won trophies under different managers and the quality he’s putting in wins him trophies. We’re not surprised by his performances or shocked that he’s able to set up the winning goal to earn them 3 points, are we?

It was the same for RVP. He continued to bang in goals when playing for Utd. If it were the case that Cesc and RVP were underperforming for us at Arsenal but blew up into major players at other clubs, I’d understand and agree with you, but that’s not the case.

[Niall_Quinn]

No way. Are you surprised that he’s doing it for the Chavs? Have you seen anything to Cesc’s game that you haven’t seen him do when playing for Arsenal? Hell no. The only difference is that he’s won trophies under different managers and the quality he’s putting in wins him trophies. We’re not surprised by his performances or shocked that he’s able to set up the winning goal to earn them 3 points, are we?

It was the same for RVP. He continued to bang in goals when playing for Utd. If it were the case that Cesc and RVP were underperforming for us at Arsenal but blew up into major players at other clubs, I’d understand and agree with you, but that’s not the case.

That's a completely different argument, almost as if time is suspended and Wenger's collapse into total incompetence has not occurred. We're talking about putting Fabregas into today's team, not a team from half a decade ago. We have been getting worse, season after season, regardless of what players are on the pitch. We have several quality players already, we have brought in two acknowledged world class players. And it hasn't made a damn bit of difference, apart from maybe being in an even bigger shit state without them. We are 17 points behind the spuds, never mind how many points behind the leaders. Every year, worse. Makes no odds who is on the pitch. There is one constant. We all know who he is. Yet the media singles out Ozil. Apparently he should be doing more to compensate for this Wenger guy. It's ridiculous. Like running a car on bricks and demanding the driver press harder on the accelerator. Lazy driver.