They just need a manager who is in sync with the modern game. Kenny still thinks it's the 80's where being a GHEL was enough.
They just need a manager who is in sync with the modern game. Kenny still thinks it's the 80's where being a GHEL was enough.
It's only taken me a year to realise.... bloody name changes.Originally Posted by Syn
Yup.
And I'd disagree that we're too defensive, only Spearing and Lucas ever think of defending outside the back 4. Some games we play defensive players, but there are those games where we're overwhelmingly offensive, on paper. [Probably a Suarez joke in there somewhere, I'll save everyone the time] We're often dominating teams, our problem has been finishing the chances we do create, like last week. And a lot of the time when we attack there isn't enough creativity in the team to break a defence, instead we're too pedestrian and obvious. We do try to score goals, we're just not very good at it. I wouldn't necessarily say that if we start scoring then our defence will automatically crumble because we've often had a solid defence, even under Rafa in 2008/9 when we also scored the most that season.
Well it's fair enough. But if they didn't have completely pointless players like Downing and frauds like Adam in attacking positions, they could compensate a bit for the inherent defensiveness that might exist. In fact given their performances, a fair bit.
Liverpool's midfield yesterday was what, Spearing, Henderson, Adam? An ugly yoof and the cream from midtable and relegated clubs.
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The 'too pedestrian and obvious' is exactly what I'm saying. Maybe it stems from having limited players in midfield who don't want to take risks but either way it helps the defence out a great deal because they're always behind the ball ready for the opposition. Maybe Liverpool think they're trying hard to score goals but I don't see that push from midfield whenever I've seen them. Liverpool absolutely deserved to get more goals and probably win against Arsenal. But - and this is no secret - every team playing at home against Arsenal creates lots of chances. Arsenal are probably on the other end of the spectrum and it's why seemingly a good defence on paper haven't made many individual mistakes but still shipped a shedload, and also why a distinctly average attack (bar Van Persie, of course) have scored more goals at this stage of the season than they had in the Invincibles season. I would suggest that maybe games like the Sunderland game yesterday are a better measure of how much attacking intent a team carries.It's only taken me a year to realise.... bloody name changes.
And I'd disagree that we're too defensive, only Spearing and Lucas ever think of defending outside the back 4. Some games we play defensive players, but there are those games where we're overwhelmingly offensive, on paper. [Probably a Suarez joke in there somewhere, I'll save everyone the time] We're often dominating teams, our problem has been finishing the chances we do create, like last week. And a lot of the time when we attack there isn't enough creativity in the team to break a defence, instead we're too pedestrian and obvious. We do try to score goals, we're just not very good at it. I wouldn't necessarily say that if we start scoring then our defence will automatically crumble because we've often had a solid defence, even under Rafa in 2008/9 when we also scored the most that season.
When I say Liverpool miss a good core/foundation, I mean even adding some qualities players won't make as much difference to the side as it should. Chucking a Mata in that midfield, playing the way Liverpool do, would render him ineffective. Everyone has been saying Suarez is a quality player. And I'm sure he might well be. But you expect a better return than 6 league goals even with his 8 match ban. He's less than a 1 in 3 man at the moment for supposedly a team that does try to score goals and creates a lot of chances. Something doesn't quite add up for me. Now there are a couple of possibilities: 1) Maybe Suarez isn't quality. 2) There are systems that suit Gerrard, Adam, Downing, Kuyt. And there are systems that suit Suarez, Mata and those poncy little technical players...and maybe the Liverpool way isn't the Suarez way. As far as I can see, Liverpool have exactly the opposite problem to Arsenal, but Arsenal have seemingly made attempts to not get bullied and compromised Spanish lightweights. Liverpool pride themselves so much on blood and thunder, that internal problem is going to remain. Getting in a more economical Benitez is the first step to recovery.
FFS I typed a full reply to this and clicked 'X'. Bastard.
Anyway, briefly; our finishing has been awful. I wouldn't say it was down to us being wary of committing to an attack, but no one is taking it upon themselves to take a risk because when they have done they screw it up. Losing Lucas hasn't helped either, because it's overwhelmingly been Adam in the centre who doesn't even consider defending. I'm not sure who else can go forward. Henderson is more often than not on the right, and the full backs often go forward. It's jsut when we get to the edge of the box, instead of being able to put a couple of passes together, or a backheel or something mildly technical they
Only Suarez has innate technical ability from the first XI, no one bar maybe Maxi is ever on his wave length. Quite often a decent play is on the cards and someobody else messes it up, Suarez just standing there shaking his head because a player who could actually play football would see the move. But he isn't a finisher and it is all down to him to play that way because the rest of them are plodders. Hence why I'd say we need an overhaul in attack+midfield to supplement him because right now he is dropping back because the rest of them have no imagination. It's an odd one because at the back end of last season we were at least passing and moving, now we can barely do either. As you say, stick Mata in our team and he'd be crap. That's not down to him, it's down to the amateurs around him.
I think it's a fairly simple solution, get 2 or 3 players of Suarez's type, including someone who can finish, and his and others' stats would improve no end. If anything, he's better suited to Arsenal, and Arsenal are better suited to him. So your 2) is right, at the moment. I think it's just overanalysis to suggest anything other than we need to finish the chances we make, because we are making more than enough.
And that was in no way brief, thankfully though it was much less than I originally typed.
Kenny Dalglish has launched an impassioned defence of his record at Liverpool, claiming he should not be judged by the club's league position alone and that kit deals are as important as victories.
Full story: Guardian
Are Liverpool fans as embarrassed with him as we are of Wenger?
if that was the case then we should be in Div 4 - with ten points deducted after going into receivership!
Kenny, if Aw said that he be Strung up this morning tbh.
In a way.
Are Liverpool fans as embarrassed with him as we are of Wenger?
I do get what he's saying though, considering the end of the G+H reign. But to say it just before a derby and with the run we are on, it's just odd.
I see he also misconstrued Wenger's programme notes too.
It's better to burn out, than to fade away.
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