Summer Transfer Speculation and Shit

[Niall_Quinn]

NQ, how has this been turned into another debate about class wars, politics and capitalism? I'm surprised you haven't gone for the the old 'anti Arsenal' media shit stirring story and on this occasion, I don't think you'd be far off. Rer-read that interview. We might be getting carried away.

Read through the thread and it will be readily apparent to anyone with sufficient wit. I read every line of the interview, particularly the last line which is loud and clear. In all seriousness, we give the players a pass when they leave or put the feelers out and slaughter the manager for staying. Yes we can say it's time for the manager to leave, but there's constant mention of the money he takes. But Cazorla can take the money and then advertise himself to a direct rival and that's okay, it is understandable. Suddenly he's just like a fan and another victim of Wenger. Cazorla reveals himself in that interview. He won't be a loss, we need better than him anyway.

[Power n Glory]

That interviews doesn’t at all sound led to you?

But Manchester has not called me.

I mean, how did they get on to that subject? Isn’t it possible the interviewer asked if Pellegrini had called him again, or if he’d like to work with him again considering he’s been with him for two other clubs?

He’s not shitting on his team mate.

“Besides, I read a lot of articles about Ozil in Spain that affected him. We need to give him confidence and to show affection.”

Accepting blame on his part along with his teammates.

“We haven’t got a winning mentality and we have to believe in ourselves (more). Sometimes you can get used to not fighting, but we can’t do that. Arsenal is and will always be a historic football club, we have to look forward.”

Whilst stating what the club need to do next season.

“But we have to improve at crucial moments and sign the best football players because if you don’t do that, you may lag behind others.

“That is what makes it different at other clubs. You’ve a good example in Manchester City who signed Fernandiho, (Alvaro) Negredo... or even Manchester United with (Robin) Van Persie and (Juan) Mata.

He’s pretty much in line with what you’ve been arguing about players doing more and it being difficult to compete against the oil money clubs.

[Dein-machine]

I think all the midfield players have had mares bar Ramsey. Wilshere, Ozil, Ox, Arteta, Flamini, Pod, Rosicky....from attack minded to defensive...they've all struggled badly to impose themselves. The balance of the squad is all wrong.

Correct - again we buy quality attacking players & then decide we want them to be defensive midfielders - is there any wonder we aren't getting the best out of Ozil. During the P.L season there should only be a few games where we need to be as defensive as we have become. With a decent back 4 & a DM why do we need defensive attitude against the likes of Fulham, Palace, Norwich etc - when did we do that in the era that we won things, Pires & Freddy were't known for their tracking back.

[selassie]

Didn't he just sign a new contract with us?

I don't think you can have a go with the player too much. The mentality at the club as a whole is shocking and that starts of with the manager. He needs to infuse an attitude where losing is simply not tolerated.

[selassie]

Well as Arsene's like to say we live in a democratic society. The timing of this wasn't/isn't perfect and he is only stating what we all feel but he needs to do his talking on the pitch. He's been absolutely awful this season and once Theo returns I wouldn't have Cazorla in the team, his performances have been sub par this season.

[Power n Glory]

Correct - again we buy quality attacking players & then decide we want them to be defensive midfielders - is there any wonder we aren't getting the best out of Ozil. During the P.L season there should only be a few games where we need to be as defensive as we have become. With a decent back 4 & a DM why do we need defensive attitude against the likes of Fulham, Palace, Norwich etc - when did we do that in the era that we won things, Pires & Freddy were't known for their tracking back.

We need to rebalance the squad and avoid losing 1st team players. It's no good for morale when we keep losing players and then try to patch up their loss with a cheap equivalent. It's like 2008 all over again.

[Niall_Quinn]

That interviews doesn’t at all sound led to you?



I mean, how did they get on to that subject? Isn’t it possible the interviewer asked if Pellegrini had called him again, or if he’d like to work with him again considering he’s been with him for two other clubs?

He’s not shitting on his team mate.


Accepting blame on his part along with his teammates.


Whilst stating what the club need to do next season.



He’s pretty much in line with what you’ve been arguing about players doing more and it being difficult to compete against the oil money clubs.

I'm not discounting the possibility it's a media set-up looking for cheap thrills. Whatever the case, would much prefer if he sorted out his passing and covered his full back rather than be talking to the media. If you say nothing they can't use it. If you open your mouth and even drop a hint then you know that's going to be spun up. How does he have the time for this anyway? He should be on the training ground every spare minute with GPS so he doesn't go missing - like in the matches. We're all pissed to varying degrees about the flaws in the manager, his reluctance to change things, his reliance on tactics that haven't worked in the past. But this is a team game from the top to the bottom. About time our team sorted their shit out and worried about the collective nest instead of individual ones. His future aside, I don't really want to hear what Cazorla things about what we need to do either. I'd rather him do it and tell us about it after it's done.

[I am invisible]

Meh. Not too bothered by any of this, tbh - in 2 years time, and at 31 years old, I wouldn't begrudge him one last move in his career, if he still hasn't won anything with us by then.

But, by the same token (and I never thought I'd say this after watching his first season with us), I don't think I'd be that bothered if he moved on either? His form and consistency have dropped this year, he isn't getting any younger (or bigger!), I think the game is moving away from that undefined, floating role that he prefers to play, and, let's be brutally honest here, he's not really helped to win anything for us either, so that one kind of cuts both ways?

Don't get me wrong - I like Cazorla, and have nothing against him - I'm just no so attached to him that I'd shed too many tears if he wanted out (and that goes for quite a long list of recent Arsenal players, who have been talented enough, but haven't really done enough or been here long enough to deserve legend status)...

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

The timing is poor and I didn't like the bit about Manchester not calling but it is uncertain how that part transpired and the nature of the interview. I don't think he has been quite as poor as people often suggest this season and think he is as talented a player as you will find in this league. It's a little bit worrying that the speech of despondency has emerged and he has not even been here 2 years yet and had the time to get totally worn down by it all.

We need better players and I'm all for them coming in, even at Cazorla's expense....PROVIDING they are shown through the door first. Let's not lose the player...say there's nobody available for 2 years sitting on our hands and then belatedly replace him with somebody who is a shade below his level anyway. That is not progress.

If we have to lose a few I'd rather we started at the top of the scrap pile.

[IBK]

I like thinking about players we might sign, but I no longer trust Wenger to sign anyone who will make any real difference to his team. I know the risks, but the Summer would be much more exciting with another manager in charge of Arsenal.