Should Wenger go?

[Power n Glory]

yeah he would gets paid 6 mill a year so would deffo cover for the board even if he felt shafted.

So your saying he's a greedy mercenary?

That's not what I see?

[Letters]

Good post.

I could never disrespect the man. He took us places we never would have gone without him.

And good post Gary (to which this was a reply to - damn you VBulliten and your lack of nested quotes).

It is sad how it looks to be finishing for Wenger at Arsenal because he did take us places I'd never think I'd see us go and even now the fact that a finish outside the top 4 is something so distressing for us shows something about how he's raised expectations. But we're in a real mess and I don't think Wenger can turn it around. I'm not sure many other managers could either, especially if they're handcuffed in terms of transfer funds like Wenger is (whether through choice or imposition by the board, I suspect there's a bit of both). In some ways he's done well to keep us up there in the top few in the era of billionaire owners. The sad thing is it wouldn't have taken a silly amount of spending to keep us really competitive, a mix of the kids he brought through and some established quality would have done that. Why he's not done that...well, maybe one day he's write about it and we'll find out. But he's not a stupid man and those who disrespect him come across as ungrateful toddlers throwing toys out of the pram, they undermine their own arguments which often have solid basis.

Anyway, I voted yes. But it made me sad to do so

[Flavs]

be interesting to see how Stevenage get on against Spurs. Gary Smith is their manager now as in the ex-manager of the Colorado Rapids, he is also Kroenke best mate in the whole world ever...

Not that i am suggesting when big Stan replaces the board we might get a new manager

[Coney]

I voted yes. But it made me sad to do so

I decided to follow the example of the team. I abstained.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

So your saying he's a greedy mercenary?

That's not what I see?

Im saying the board pay him, we don't so its more of a case of not biting the hand that feeds him. Thats just IMO,

[Xhaka Can’t]

And good post Gary (to which this was a reply to - damn you VBulliten and your lack of nested quotes).

It is sad how it looks to be finishing for Wenger at Arsenal because he did take us places I'd never think I'd see us go and even now the fact that a finish outside the top 4 is something so distressing for us shows something about how he's raised expectations. But we're in a real mess and I don't think Wenger can turn it around. I'm not sure many other managers could either, especially if they're handcuffed in terms of transfer funds like Wenger is (whether through choice or imposition by the board, I suspect there's a bit of both). In some ways he's done well to keep us up there in the top few in the era of billionaire owners. The sad thing is it wouldn't have taken a silly amount of spending to keep us really competitive, a mix of the kids he brought through and some established quality would have done that. Why he's not done that...well, maybe one day he's write about it and we'll find out. But he's not a stupid man and those who disrespect him come across as ungrateful toddlers throwing toys out of the pram, they undermine their own arguments which often have solid basis.

Anyway, I voted yes. But it made me sad to do so

Even as late as last season - some addition of quality experience would have been enough to make the difference - but not now. Wholesale change is needed.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Even as late as last season - some addition of quality experience would have been enough to make the difference - but not now. Wholesale change is needed.

You have hit the nail right on the head Gary. Had we bought last jan we'd have been better off for itm we'd have won the CC for a start and the good feeling would have gone on from there.

[Power n Glory]

Im saying the board pay him, we don't so its more of a case of not biting the hand that feeds him. Thats just IMO,

He could easily earn more elsewhere so I'm not convinced by that.

[Letters]

Whats wrong with Ollie saying no and leaving it at that, i understand you want to know his reasoning it behind it, but should we not repect his answer.

Nothing wrong with it but this is Arsenal Debate and one word replies (he says, expecting the geniuses on here to reply with one word) don't good debate make.

[Flavs]

I don't think there is anything wrong with the team in terms of the personnel, its the application of them that is all out of cock. I said this in another thread but forgetting all the financials and stadium moves and past history and all that, on match days are we utilising the 11 guys on the pitch the best we can. The answer is no every single time. They are poorly motivated, the tactics are wrong, they are weak mentally, we are still.....STILL shite at set pieces and they don't work for each other.

A new manager would help address this.