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    The last para in your post nails it.

    This Club was in no position to take a punt on an untested Manager. We needed someone with the proven ability and respect of players to sort this mess out.

    At best it is looking like another 2-3 years wasted, by which time we won’t be a draw to any top manager without paying well over the odds. And the longer this goes on, the less able we will be to finance something like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Globalgunner View Post
    Auba through the middle is a myth we all seem so obsessed with. In none of his previous teams has he played as a central striker. In Dortmund as well as with Gabon. Besides there are no chains on him. He is a good striker no doubt but he is not a terrier in say the mould of jamie vardy. He wont fight to get goals. Its either perfectly placed for him to score or no dice. Dortmund got on fine without him. We do not play an effective system and we have a really really bad midfield. The centre mids are supposed to provide a bulwark against opposition attacks and generate potent offence. Do you think even this shit team would not be 3 levels better with peak Vieira and Petit?. We can rant and rave as much as we like but this team is structurally deficient. It is easier to coach defenders because the scenarios they have to deal with are more predictable so journeymen as we see in many teams like Sheff Utd and Burnley and the like can defend quite competently. But how are you going to coach competent midfielders who do not have it in their innate being to be both spatially aware and capable of feeding the front strikers.

    Our delusion that Auba will save us is grossly misplaced. He is ot van Persie, he is not even Alexis Sanchez. He is not that guy. We need badly to ditch our midfield pairing and get players that can do a proper job there. we have the wing play sorted I think and Martinelli can deliver enough in place of Auba. There is absolutely no need to spend 300k to keep him while keeping Xhaka and Ozil to feed him. This is a club now in obvious financial peril. We need to be wiser both on the pitch and off it.
    I agree our midfield is weak, not everyone will agree but i still think Ozil can play a role but you need a high-class well-organised enforcer in there to counter him roving around.

    We've missed Torreira in these two games - Ceballos isn't substantial enough and Guendouzi is a very raw talent, and i can't stand Xhaka and won't be happy until he and Mustafi are gone

    i can see it both ways on whether we keep Auba (although i think it's academic as he will surely leave) but in the very short-term, i.e. this season we should be making the best of him - whether he's played through the middle elsewhere or not, are you seriously saying Nketiah or Laca are a better shout than having Saka on the left and Auba in the middle? - that's the point, if Auba's on the left then Saka is not in what seems like his best position

    Martinelli should definitely be getting more game time too but I'm not sure how you fit him, Pepe, Auba and Saka in - as you say if Auba goes then that will be solved for next season, i'd be perfectly happy to see Saka, Martinelli and Pepe line up

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    Auba through the middle is a myth we all seem so obsessed with. In none of his previous teams has he played as a central striker. In Dortmund as well as with Gabon. Besides there are no chains on him. He is a good striker no doubt but he is not a terrier in say the mould of jamie vardy. He wont fight to get goals. Its either perfectly placed for him to score or no dice. Dortmund got on fine without him. We do not play an effective system and we have a really really bad midfield. The centre mids are supposed to provide a bulwark against opposition attacks and generate potent offence. Do you think even this shit team would not be 3 levels better with peak Vieira and Petit?. We can rant and rave as much as we like but this team is structurally deficient. It is easier to coach defenders because the scenarios they have to deal with are more predictable so journeymen as we see in many teams like Sheff Utd and Burnley and the like can defend quite competently. But how are you going to coach competent midfielders who do not have it in their innate being to be both spatially aware and capable of feeding the front strikers.

    Our delusion that Auba will save us is grossly misplaced. He is not van Persie, he is not even Alexis Sanchez. He is not that guy. We need badly to ditch our midfield pairing and get players that can do a proper job there. Look at Leicester's midfield. Head and shoulders above ours. Do you think Vardy would be that good with Xhaka and Ozil in his team?. We have the wing play sorted I think and Martinelli can deliver enough in place of Auba. There is absolutely no need to spend 300k to keep him while keeping Xhaka and Ozil to feed him. This is a club now in obvious financial peril. We need to be wiser both on the pitch and off it.
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    Sorry i had to repost because i didnt want it to seem like a reply to your post with which i mostly agree

    You are right, but Ozil is yesterdays news. If we had been strategic and wanted to keep him then we should have got an experienced manager like Ancelotti who may have found a better use for him albeit it was Ancelloti who dumped him at Madrid....because he has no character, no personality. Ozil is Ozil. i dont think anything can change him. He is a player in whose mind has soared above criticism. He wont stress himself in any game

    We are a dumpster fire and we hire a kid down the road to put it out. crazy crazy management at the highest level

    to my mind if we are going to play Auba central then we either have 5 at the back with overlapping wingbacks or 5 in midfield. Either way both Saka and Tierney must play together and both Bellerin and Pepe. Auba through the middle but i bet you ha and saka will be exchanging position simply because Auba always drifts to the wing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Globalgunner View Post

    to my mind if we are going to play Auba central then we either have 5 at the back with overlapping wingbacks or 5 in midfield. Either way both Saka and Tierney must play together and both Bellerin and Pepe. Auba through the middle but i bet you ha and saka will be exchanging position simply because Auba always drifts to the wing
    maybe he might, but if that's something which goes back and forth through a match then that could be a good thing to confuse the opposition.

    couldn't agree more with those combinations on the left and right, that should always be our starting point - we need Bellerin and Pepe to build an understanding, that hasn't happened yet but they can develop that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xhaka Can’t View Post
    The last para in your post nails it.

    This Club was in no position to take a punt on an untested Manager. We needed someone with the proven ability and respect of players to sort this mess out.

    At best it is looking like another 2-3 years wasted, by which time we won’t be a draw to any top manager without paying well over the odds. And the longer this goes on, the less able we will be to finance something like that.
    Right, but wasn't Emery the more established manager? And last season showed some promise. A Wengeresque collapse at the end and we capitulated in the Europa League final, but overall not a bad season and a base to build on. This season it's all gone to shit and maybe MO is right that last season was the blip but even in Wenger's last season we were nowhere near this hopeless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    Right, but wasn't Emery the more established manager? And last season showed some promise. A Wengeresque collapse at the end and we capitulated in the Europa League final, but overall not a bad season and a base to build on. This season it's all gone to shit and maybe MO is right that last season was the blip but even in Wenger's last season we were nowhere near this hopeless.
    Yes we were, in many respects. As soon as a major challenge arrived we would fold, guaranteed. All the danger signs were well established. The increasingly awful football. The chaos at the back. But at least we still had enough to carry off flat track bully status. Now we can't manage that either, but it's more down to the failure to arrest the steady decline. Kroenke is about the only person who can actually change this. He won't.
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    Letters completely forgets the comedy in catastrophe that marked Wengers later years. Wengers team would also routinely go through 45 even 90 mins without a shot on target. Would play the same strategy for 90 mins wether we were losing or winning. Enabling the opposition manager to change tactics while we remained static and predictable. This was a team that could NEVER hold on to a goal lead with only 90 seconds left on the clock but would fold like cardboard in the rain.

    The bottom line is he saddled us with dumb players like Xhaka and Mustafi, strollers like Ozil. They are still the leadweight holding this team down both on the pitch and in the accounts department.

    But I digress. Who in their right mind really thought that Arteta would solve this problem. Ancelotti would have signed on in a 6 month capacity...He did same with Chelsea. we needed experience instead we went full night out in Las Vegas. We bet it all on black....black shiny hair.
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    I can't agree we were this bad.
    We won exactly half our league games that season, so far we have won under a third (30% exactly right now)
    We scored goals at a rate of 1.95/game in 2017/18, this year it's been 1.37.
    We are even shipping goals at a slightly higher rate this year although that is close.
    We have got worse by any metric you pick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Globalgunner View Post
    Letters completely forgets the comedy in catastrophe that marked Wengers later years. Wengers team would also routinely go through 45 even 90 mins without a shot on target. Would play the same strategy for 90 mins wether we were losing or winning. Enabling the opposition manager to change tactics while we remained static and predictable. This was a team that could NEVER hold on to a goal lead with only 90 seconds left on the clock but would fold like cardboard in the rain.
    Letters isn't forgetting any of those things. But for all those failings we were never anywhere near this bad under Wenger. Literally never.
    We've spent heavily since he left and got worse.

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