Summer Transfer Misery 2017/18

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

It’s a mentality problem. You say he’s unproven and getting on a bit at 26 years old but we put in a bid for Vardy last season! We’re cheap and spend freely on the cheapest option. Lacazette probably isn’t the solution. But that’s because we have a poor manager. I personally think we could get a hell of a lot more out of the current squad. But as far as how much we spend on a particular player, I’ve gone past caring. We’re doing the exact same thing as we did last season and going through the same motions. I was involved in the same discussion last summer when it came to our strikers so I understand where you’re coming from but something has to change at the club. So far, I don’t see that.

The problem is you are equating my opinion with supoorting Wengers stance which I clearly don't.

Because I think we should be looking elsewhere, isn't the same as supoorting Wengers purchases or his transfer policy at all. It's saying for that kind of money we can be doing a lot better. It's also being mindful that we aren't Man City, we can't make that kind of gamble and write it off so easily.

It's possible that it will be the same story wherever we go, teams in foreign leagues will want to rinse premier league clubs for every penny they have (and I can't say I really blame them).

For what it's worth I agree on one hand, that this summer will be like many others where Wengers dithering will result in once again not strengthening the squad in the way we should and making panic signings when we invariably lose Alexis.
However if as we suspect Lacazette is a replacement for Alexis, is that any less of a panic signing as we will most likely pay more than what we receive for the Chilean for what is essentially an inferior player?

For a player so prolific he hasn't generated the interest you would expect, before the transfer embargo it seemed that Atletico were biting the bullet because they were certain to lose Antoine Griezmann.

[Letters]

That's because you have no friends.

So's your face

[Özim]

However if as we suspect Lacazette is a replacement for Alexis, is that any less of a panic signing as we will most likely pay more than what we receive for the Chilean for what is essentially an inferior player?

That may or may not be true, you can't really judge the player until he plays in another league, as for the price though, that's our fault, we let Sanchez run his contract down to a year, so naturally he's worth a fraction of what he was.

As for Lacazette, when we bought Sanchez only Liverpool other than us were interested, he hardly had a whole host of teams after him despite playing for Barcelona and not being too expensive.

[Power n Glory]

The problem is you are equating my opinion with supoorting Wengers stance which I clearly don't.

Because I think we should be looking elsewhere, isn't the same as supoorting Wengers purchases or his transfer policy at all. It's saying for that kind of money we can be doing a lot better. It's also being mindful that we aren't Man City, we can't make that kind of gamble and write it off so easily.

It's possible that it will be the same story wherever we go, teams in foreign leagues will want to rinse premier league clubs for every penny they have (and I can't say I really blame them).

For what it's worth I agree on one hand, that this summer will be like many others where Wengers dithering will result in once again not strengthening the squad in the way we should and making panic signings when we invariably lose Alexis.
However if as we suspect Lacazette is a replacement for Alexis, is that any less of a panic signing as we will most likely pay more than what we receive for the Chilean for what is essentially an inferior player?

For a player so prolific he hasn't generated the interest you would expect, before the transfer embargo it seemed that Atletico were biting the bullet because they were certain to lose Antoine Griezmann.

Yes, because that's what I said. Clearly, you're a Wenger supporter! That's exactly what I said and think.

[Xhaka Can’t]

That's because you have no friends.

Hermit trolls rarely do.

[Power n Glory]

That may or may not be true, you can't really judge the player until he plays in another league, as for the price though, that's our fault, we let Sanchez run his contract down to a year, so naturally he's worth a fraction of what he was.

As for Lacazette, when we bought Sanchez only Liverpool other than us were interested, he hardly had a whole host of teams after him despite playing for Barcelona and not being too expensive.

I agree. Where he plays and what other clubs he plays for doesn’t really matter when comparing where we’ve turned to for the alternative. Which top club wanted Perez? Who wanted Welbeck, Giroud or Podolski? These things weren’t considered when we bought them. What was the main appeal when making a bid for Vardy and what stopped us from signing Vardy? It’s all about that price tag.

If we could get Lacazette on the cheap we’d have snapped him up ages ago. We place a higher emphasis on the transfer fee value over footballing values and what a player can contribute to our season. We always have. I get all the arguments about certain players not solving our footballing problems. I did the same with Vardy last summer. But if the club have identified a target so early on, planned and thought about what we need to win the league, you’d think we’d make a wholehearted effort to sign that player, right?

This is the difference between other clubs and managers to ours. This is why prices are so inflated. When a manager wants a player because they are convinced they need this player to win, they push to make it happen. Wouldn’t anyone else? Wenger keeps coming up with these silly anecdotes about nearly signing World Class player A, B and C and it just makes him sound silly because if he had any real inkling about what they player could be, he’d have stumped up the money. The man that knows the winning lottery numbers each week but too cheap to buy the ticket.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Yes, because that's what I said. Clearly, you're a Wenger supporter! That's exactly what I said and think.

My point is you're arguing using examples of Wengers poor moves in the transfer market. I'm not saying you're calling me a Wenger supporter. I'm suggesting you're equating baulking at Lacazettes price tag with ending up with the kind of purchase Wenger has made in the past.

Well that might happen anyway because we have Wenger as manager.

[Özim]

To add to what I said, noone has come in for Sanchez, noone has made a bid yet, Bayern's interest seems to have cooled, only Man City are supposedly interested now.

[Özim]

I agree. Where he plays and what other clubs he plays for doesn’t really matter when comparing where we’ve turned to for the alternative. Which top club wanted Perez? Who wanted Welbeck, Giroud or Podolski? These things weren’t considered when we bought them. What was the main appeal when making a bid for Vardy and what stopped us from signing Vardy? It’s all about that price tag.

If we could get Lacazette on the cheap we’d have snapped him up ages ago. We place a higher emphasis on the transfer fee value over footballing values and what a player can contribute to our season. We always have. I get all the arguments about certain players not solving our footballing problems. I did the same with Vardy last summer. But if the club have identified a target so early on, planned and thought about what we need to win the league, you’d think we’d make a wholehearted effort to sign that player, right?

This is the difference between other clubs and managers to ours. This is why prices are so inflated. When a manager wants a player because they are convinced they need this player to win, they push to make it happen. Wouldn’t anyone else? Wenger keeps coming up with these silly anecdotes about nearly signing World Class player A, B and C and it just makes him sound silly because if he had any real inkling about what they player could be, he’d have stumped up the money. The man that knows the winning lottery numbers each week but too cheap to buy the ticket.

Totally agree, price tag is the primary criteria, we always want players on the cheap and take other clubs for mugs, they're not and won't have any of it we're professional lowballers and that's why other clubs take a dislike to us, the £1 bid a few years back was a debarcle and sums us up entirely.

I also think these rumours suit us, makes people think we're serious about going after these big signings, I mean come on Mbappe for 100+ million when we won't even spend half that, it's just total nonsense, that guy was never going to come here and we were never going to pay the transfer fee, apparently Wenger is "in" with his family now, guess it will come in handy if he needs somewhere to stay outside Paris

Let's not pretend though, we know the script, we know how it works as the same thing happens every single summer, I can't get my head round some people still believing it's changed, not after over a decade of the same thing.

Lacazette is now given our position the best we can get, who knows he might turn out to be a great goalscorer in the PL, we made our bed and have to lie in it, yes it would be great if we could get the worlds best but realistically given our position and our lack of ambition we're not going to get the superstar players, they can take their pick of the club they want to go to and would have to be a fool to come to us the worlds stalest club.

[selassie]

[QUOTE=Delusions of Grandeur;4411634]I agree. Where he plays and what other clubs he plays for doesn’t really matter when comparing where we’ve turned to for the alternative. Which top club wanted Perez? Who wanted Welbeck, Giroud or Podolski? These things weren’t considered when we bought them. What was the main appeal when making a bid for Vardy and what stopped us from signing Vardy? It’s all about that price tag.

If we could get Lacazette on the cheap we’d have snapped him up ages ago. We place a higher emphasis on the transfer fee value over footballing values and what a player can contribute to our season. We always have. I get all the arguments about certain players not solving our footballing problems. I did the same with Vardy last summer. But if the club have identified a target so early on, planned and thought about what we need to win the league, you’d think we’d make a wholehearted effort to sign that player, right?

This is the difference between other clubs and managers to ours. This is why prices are so inflated. When a manager wants a player because they are convinced they need this player to win, they push to make it happen. Wouldn’t anyone else? Wenger keeps coming up with these silly anecdotes about nearly signing World Class player A, B and C and it just makes him sound silly because if he had any real inkling about what they player could be, he’d have stumped up the money. The man that knows the winning lottery numbers each week but too cheap to buy the ticket.[/QUOTE]



Especially the part highlighted, it's basically what I was trying to say earlier to Herb. We most definitely place the valuation of a player above the needs of the team and it's why we are in this mess.