Wenger Slaughterhouse

[Niall_Quinn]

Fighting with managers, refusing to shake hands, spouting BS all the time, blaming the fans for Adebayor, jumping up and down when things don't go his way.....hmmmm yeah very classy...

Either he's happy losing or he's not - make your mind up.

[Niall_Quinn]

NQ is back. I apologised to you and thus you came back

Coney will return eventually.

Flavs isnt a major loss. Its a bit like Arsenal selling Denilson. He was around for ages but no one really liked him and now hes gone, he wont be missed

Apologised? For what?

Regardless - apology NOT accepted!

[Özim]

Either he's happy losing or he's not - make your mind up.

He's content enough losing that he won't lose any sleep over it and won't change his methods/mindset.

Doesn't mean he doesn't get annoyed when things don't go his way, clearly he does (and shows a petty side at times) but when push comes to shove he's put it behinds and continues to follow his flawed methods.

[Özim]

i dont know about you Zimm but im pretty sure he has changed his methods in the last year. signing proven players, arteta, merts, santos, cazorla, podolski instead of youngsters unless they are special like the ox.

rice has gone, we know have bould, wenger didnt have to promote him but he did, thus thats a change in his ideas etc. in the last year we have seen a more ruthless wenger, you only to have look at song and sagna, we have seen the best team spirt since 2006. there has been a massive change in his ideas, we will see the success or failure of them more this year then last year but i think we all agree he has changed his ideas and how to go about them

I'd agree with you if we hadn't lost 4 first teamers in that time, it seems to me he's been forced into changes and if you look at the figures we've still made a profit from players sales in that time so he's not really invested in the team as such.

You can say he's made changes but from what I saw last season the same problems existed and we once again completely collapsed and dropped out of everything when it mattered due to lack of squad strength and quality.

Rice has gone yes, but once again that wasn't Wenger choice, if Rice wanted to stay on he would have. I'm not sure about this ruthless side you mention, pretty much all the players we sold wanted to leave after not being happy with something at the club, Wenger just held the door open for them and patted them on the back from what I can see.

We're not really moving forward in my eyes, we're spending the money we get from selling players to replace them, overally we haven't replaced like for like.

[Letters]

Clearly he does, but you have to question the common sense of a man who goes 7 seasons with success and still believes in the same flawed methods.

At some stage you have to open your eyes and realise it just hasn't worked, coming 4th every season is hardly the best thing for the club....success would be the best thing for the club as success equals, more fans, more marketing income, more merchandising and thus greater revenue/profit.

The thing is, it's not like his policies have been an unmitigated disaster. We've not slid into mid-table or worse. We've finished top 4 every year, we've got to the latter stages of the CL every year. We've been in the latter stages of domestic cup competitions on several occasions and we've flirted with the title a couple of times.

The frustrating thing is that we never finished the job and we didn't need a radical change of strategy to push on. One or two big signings over the last 7 years could have produced a very different outcome.

We do look like we have the makings of a goos side this year, we'll be top 4 again IMO. But again, the frustrating thing is this side + Song and RvP would seriously challenge. We never seem to push on and take the final step which could bring success.

[Özim]

The thing is, it's not like his policies have been an unmitigated disaster. We've not slid into mid-table or worse. We've finished top 4 every year, we've got to the latter stages of the CL every year. We've been in the latter stages of domestic cup competitions on several occasions and we've flirted with the title a couple of times.

The frustrating thing is that we never finished the job and we didn't need a radical change of strategy to push on. One or two big signings over the last 7 years could have produced a very different outcome.

We do look like we have the makings of a goos side this year, we'll be top 4 again IMO. But again, the frustrating thing is this side + Song and RvP would seriously challenge. We never seem to push on and take the final step which could bring success.

I totally agree, it hasn't been a disaster but in a sense the whole club seem happy with what we achieve (apart from the players).

We could bring in a bit more quality and really push on, but everytime it seems to be bring in some decent players and sell a couple first teamers, I don't see how that will ever bring back success. We need to build on what we have, instead we're constantly re-building to stay at the same level.

This season has started fairly well, but we all know that generally we struggle at the tail end of the season (when injuries, tiredness and pressure all play a part) not the beginning (except for last season), therefore you can't really judge anything right now.

[Ollie the Optimist]

I'd agree with you if we hadn't lost 4 first teamers in that time, it seems to me he's been forced into changes and if you look at the figures we've still made a profit from players sales in that time so he's not really invested in the team as such.

You can say he's made changes but from what I saw last season the same problems existed and we once again completely collapsed and dropped out of everything when it mattered due to lack of squad strength and quality.

Rice has gone yes, but once again that wasn't Wenger choice, if Rice wanted to stay on he would have. I'm not sure about this ruthless side you mention, pretty much all the players we sold wanted to leave after not being happy with something at the club, Wenger just held the door open for them and patted them on the back from what I can see.

We're not really moving forward in my eyes, we're spending the money we get from selling players to replace them, overally we haven't replaced like for like.

i take the point about 4 first teamers going in that time, however we have replaced them two of them if form is kept up (gervinho for nasri, cazorla for fabregas) if these two keep up current form then thats sorted (big if though) and well rvc is not going to be replaced, he is world class and song, well diaby can do it if fit. again big if but thats three out of four replaced.

the point about not ivesting as such, its true to an extent however we did spend 35 million this year on 3 top class players which is more then normal, add in ox, arteta, merts, santos and i think in the last year we have spent close to 100 million. yes we have still made profit but he has spent well so i think its a slightly unfair accusation to level at him when we have brought good players. if we spent it on unproven ones then yes but these arent unproven players.

last seaon yes was a fuck up in being knocked out and that will be judged this year in wether bould will have had a good effect with defence etc etc, but i take massive confidnece from the way we got third, yes i know its third and its not good neough however we would normally have choked and failed yet we didnt, granted it took to the last game of the season and it shouldnt have but still something to work on. if we fail again this year i will agree with you but lets wait and see...

yep i think rice made the decision however my point was that he didnt have to promote bould, who knows maybe bould said to wenger i wont do it unless you give me control over tatics and defence etc who knows. it working so far, im happy.

with the ruthlessness i think there is something, i still belive he kicked song out, not to balance books but kicked him out, rvc was shown hte door, yes he went to united but hte club were angry. sagna too i think got a bollocking, if not from wenger, i reckon bould would have gone postal on him.

]he has made some changes yes, if it fails agin this year then you are right, but i think its different to the last seven years. one more year. lets wait and see.

[Ollie the Optimist]

I totally agree, it hasn't been a disaster but in a sense the whole club seem happy with what we achieve (apart from the players).

We could bring in a bit more quality and really push on, but everytime it seems to be bring in some decent players and sell a couple first teamers, I don't see how that will ever bring back success. We need to build on what we have, instead we're constantly re-building to stay at the same level.

This season has started fairly well, but we all know that generally we struggle at the tail end of the season (when injuries, tiredness and pressure all play a part) not the beginning (except for last season), therefore you can't really judge anything right now.

you are right here of course, however you can judge one thing with us this year. defence. the differnce in four games has been fantastic. they have looked good, we have been to two places where you would expect us to struggle, we didnt.

after four games last year, conceded 14 goals, this year just the one. you can judge that a massive improvement has been made

[fakeyank]

Thank Allah is gone!

[Power n Glory]

you are right here of course, however you can judge one thing with us this year. defence. the differnce in four games has been fantastic. they have looked good, we have been to two places where you would expect us to struggle, we didnt.

after four games last year, conceded 14 goals, this year just the one. you can judge that a massive improvement has been made

The fact that Steve Bould has come in and made an obvious impact on our defence says a lot. Wenger has been stubborn for too long when it comes to strategy and tactics. I hope we've turned finally turned a corner.