If they stayed....(Nasri & Fabregas)?

[IBK]

Ok, City won the cup. But they got beaten by us at their gaff, and had to put fifty men behind the ball at our gaff to get a draw.

WE let them into 3rd place. And Nasri was partly to blame for that.

They haven't consistently shown that they can win trophies, they have shown that they can afford any player they want, and pay whatever they want.

So tell me, does Nasri want to win trophies like that, perhaps not playing much, with a team of mercenaries who have flocked to the cash (and please don't tell me they haven't bought their current status, as they were fucking shite before the money)....or is it in fact more ambitious to try and win trophies at a club which needs someone to work to achieve success.

If he actually put in the effort, like Cesc has for example, I, and every Arsenal fan would, I guess, graciously accept that it hasn't worked, and that he wants to move to win things.

But given that the fucking lesbian hasn't lifted a finger for 75% of his Arsenal playing career, I would suggest he's taking the easy option....and why?? 'Cos he doesn't have to work for it, and he'll get paid a load more money. That's not ambition in my eyes, that's a massive cunt.

Pretty much.

[Özim]

Ok, City won the cup. But they got beaten by us at their gaff, and had to put fifty men behind the ball at our gaff to get a draw.

WE let them into 3rd place. And Nasri was partly to blame for that.

They haven't consistently shown that they can win trophies, they have shown that they can afford any player they want, and pay whatever they want.

So tell me, does Nasri want to win trophies like that, perhaps not playing much, with a team of mercenaries who have flocked to the cash (and please don't tell me they haven't bought their current status, as they were fucking shite before the money)....or is it in fact more ambitious to try and win trophies at a club which needs someone to work to achieve success.

If he actually put in the effort, like Cesc has for example, I, and every Arsenal fan would, I guess, graciously accept that it hasn't worked, and that he wants to move to win things.

But given that the fucking lesbian hasn't lifted a finger for 75% of his Arsenal playing career, I would suggest he's taking the easy option....and why?? 'Cos he doesn't have to work for it, and he'll get paid a load more money. That's not ambition in my eyes, that's a massive cunt.

You have to remember they haven't had this money for that long, but they're clearly moving in the right direction.

Yes he was partly to blame, but it's a team game and it's the manager's job to get the best out of them, is it a coincidence that almost everyone went off the boil?

They haven't you're right, but they've started, moreover top players want to play with other top players....they often cite examples of players they'd love to play alongside and City can offer that now.

Nasri clearly feels he's good enough to get into the team (though City is unconfirmed, remember the rumour about Man U was much stronger), it's all very good saying that he could play with a which needs some work to win trophies, but that's not us.

Let's be real here, this manager and team aren't able to win trophies it's been consistently shown over 6 years. Wenger won't make the changes and continues to follow this deluded path, is it a surprise top players want to leave? Most peope don't believe in what he's doing and why should they, he's failed.

If I was him I'd move to a club moving forward too, a club who have ambition rather than stick around at a club who seem happy to stand still and are content with 4th place hailing it as some sort of major trophy.

If we were showing clear signs of ambition and moving forward it would be different, we really aren't though and yet nothing changes.

[LDG]

Sorry mate, but you're not getting the point.

He was offered a new contract worth a lot of money, BEFORE last season.

BEFORE he did anything spectacular.

I was responding originally to your point about "the situation", which is our fault apparently, which is quite clearly bullshit.

He wants the money.

[Özim]

Sorry mate, but you're not getting the point.

He was offered a new contract worth a lot of money, BEFORE last season.

BEFORE he did anything spectacular.

I was responding originally to your point about "the situation", which is our fault apparently, which is quite clearly bullshit.

He wants the money.

So you don't find it odd we let contract negotiation run on forever?

Moreover seems to me like many of our players he doesn't believe in this project and that is the problem, had he he would have signed before.

Who can blame him for that?

I don't believe it's about money, I believe it's about AW's transfer policy and his methods which yield no results.

Bendtner, Denilson, Cesc, Nasri, Clichy all have said they wanted out, even RVP has called for signings.......that suggests to me there's a problem there, they don't believe in Wenger.

[LDG]

So you don't find it odd we let contract negotiation run on forever?

Moreover seems to me like many of our players he doesn't believe in this project and that is the problem, had he he would have signed before.

Who can blame him for that?

I don't believe it's about money, I believe it's about AW's transfer policy and his methods which yield no results.

Bendtner, Denilson, Cesc, Nasri, Clichy all have said they wanted out, even RVP has called for signings.......that suggests to me there's a problem there, they don't believe in Wenger.

AGAIN. This is all AFTER the season. He was offered a lucrative contract BEFORE the season....and it was still on the table whilst we were basically top of the league, up in the first leg against Barca, in the final of a cup, and still in the FA cup.

We didn't let it run on forever. We offered him a MORE than good deal, considering he'd done fuck all for the club, and we were quite within our rights to say "piss off you cunt" when the greedly little fucker said he wants more....effectively holding us to ransom.

I agree, that AFTER the season we had, that people want to see change, signings and righting the wrongs. I'm in that camp, and for my part, I will not be attending many games because I won't pay for it.

But you can bet your bottom dollar, if we offered him 250k a week, he'd stay. And if you don't believe that, you're a big fat hairy knob

[Özim]

AGAIN. This is all AFTER the season. He was offered a lucrative contract BEFORE the season....and it was still on the table whilst we were basically top of the league, up in the first leg against Barca, in the final of a cup, and still in the FA cup.

We didn't let it run on forever. We offered him a MORE than good deal, considering he'd done fuck all for the club, and we were quite within our rights to say "piss off you cunt" when the greedly little fucker said he wants more....effectively holding us to ransom.

I agree, that AFTER the season we had, that people want to see change, signings and righting the wrongs. I'm in that camp, and for my part, I will not be attending many games because I won't pay for it.

But you can bet your bottom dollar, if we offered him 250k a week, he'd stay. And if you don't believe that, you're a big fat hairy knob

If you offer any player that much they would as let's be honest it's a hell of a lot of money (money can persuade you without being the only factor), so that point doesn't really hold much water. If you're in a job you hate and want to leave and they come back and offer you crazy money you'd probably stay, at least for a bit as it's too tempting not to.

Throughout our season I never believed we would win anything, we'd seen collapses before and I'd seen enough poor performances/results to show nothing had changed.

Players rarely sign during mid season, they wait till a season is over to assess a situation.

I still maintain the situation is the root cause of our problems holding onto players not the financial side, if we were winning titles and cups I'm pretty sure he would have signed.

Who knows what was offered last season anyway, but maybe he had his doubts then after another poor season.

[Boss]

Pretty much.

People are hating on Nasri simply cos he doesn't want to be here.

Same thing with Fabregas.

[Özim]

Pretty much.

People are hating on Nasri simply cos he doesn't want to be here.

Same thing with Fabregas.

Yup I agree.

[LDG]

With the greatest respect, you're either trying desperately not to concede the point, or you're just stupid

i) Offer on the table, well before contract expiry
ii) 90k. Much more than he was worth
iii) He'd done nothing of note to deserve that
iv) He himself said we were the best team last year. Why would he say that, and not want to stay with the so called "best team"
v) He was part of the collapse

So. Forget the 250k. What was it he wanted....I think it was parity with Cesc if rumour is to be believed. We said fuck off, and rightly so.

But as soon as a whiff of MORE than Cesc gets is on the table, he reverses his stance from "we're the best team", "I want parity with Cesc" and says he's off, it;s not about money, it's about ambition

with the greatest respect to you Zimm (and you make a lot of valid points) you're completely wrong here.

He wants the money. It's all it's about.

[LDG]

Pretty much.

People are hating on Nasri simply cos he doesn't want to be here.

Same thing with Fabregas.

Wrong.

I would love Nasri to stay.

Cesc can go.

It's about the football for me. As I've said loads of times. Cesc slows us down and is too central.

Nasri is a real talent, and I would love him to stay and sign a new deal....but if he's gonna be a cunt about it, I'd rather we got shot, just like we did with Ade.

Furthermore, this is about the point Zimm made about "us" or "wenger" causing the problem, which is quite frankly bullshit, as I've quite clearly stated.