Wrong thread, it's not the mindless optimism thread.Originally Posted by V-Pig
Wrong thread, it's not the mindless optimism thread.
I sort of agree although many in the media still go on about how great he is. Fortunately there is still Hansen on MOTD who tells it as it is. In my eyes Wenger is now an utter failure who just hangs on to his job because he receives £7million a year. He couldnt motivate a Sunday league team - I cant stand him and dont get the gooners who go away and sing his name.
Hansen is awesome. Best pundit out there and tells it like it is for the most part.
Many on here dont like him cos he doesnt kiss Arsenals butt but i dont mind that
Wenger has been shocking for years. The fans who sing his name are arguably Spuds in disguise. No true Gooner wants him to stay
Arsene Wenger, the only football manager that got paid 8 million quid to do nothing but sit on his arse..
Wenger was done a long time ago, the signs were there early on they've just got more and more obvious. I was amazed that at the last AGM he pretty much got off without any criticism due to his rather pathetic speech....too many fans think he's blameless for the mess he's undoubtedbly complicit in.
None of this is even close to being true. Wenger is the best in the business at what he does and no other manager could have achieved anything even close to his level of success. And he's entirely transformed himself too, so he's certainly willing to learn new tricks.
When the focus of the club was on football he won just about everything in this country and in the process transformed the game. That's his football legacy.
When the focus of the club changed to asset stripping whilst keeping up at least a token challenge, albeit an income related challenge, he succeeded there too driving massive profits for the owners and moulding a mixture of talent and shit into a team that has consistently achieved the revenue levels demanded. He's the only manager in the top flight who could have done that. Ferguson had a massive helping hand with the Ronaldo transfer, Wenger has had to do the job piece by piece. Wenger's job has therefore been much harder.
What we all hate as fans is the fact he's so readily fallen in line with the asset strippers, I can understand that. But to call him a failure is to completely misunderstand what the definition of success is to this football club. Which is odd because they keep telling us. They don't make it a secret finishing in the top 4 is the full extent of our footballing ambition. As far as the owners are concerned Wenger has won them the title 15 seasons in a row and they have become very rich (or even richer) in the process. This isn't good enough for the fans but the club couldn't give a fuck about the fans, they know there are plenty more mugs queuing up should a few abused season ticket holders decide the rate at which they are getting fucked has become unbearable.
When you let vermin like Kroenke into football this is how it is always going to be.
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You say the club couldn't give a f*ck, the point is neither does he that's pretty clear.
I sometimes feel you absolve him of blame, IMO if he's happy to go along with it then he's just as guilty as the rest....he gets his cut all 7 million of it (a huge amount of money for a manager even today)....he's sold out big time and rather than being a true manager and striving for success he's striving for profits (and lining his own pockets at the same time).....how can anyone respect that?
Best in the business? In my opinion he's got pretty lucky a number of times as well as the opposition for 4th place have been affected by external factors handing him 4th place....the fact is though the best of the rest aren't that good at all.
If you analyse his performance and some of the beatings we've taken (beatings we rarely ever experienced) is performance isn't that hot at all......recent years have seen us suffer some real humblings which happened perhaps once ever few years in the past.
The guy takes the fans for mugs and you've clearly bought into it.
I need to keep saying this I suppose. He's an employee. Do you think Ramsey should retire because he is shit? Do you think he should refuse to play if picked? He's fucking us over too isn't he? He's taking the money. But why wouldn't he and it's ludicrous to suggest he should step aside if picked. Same with Wenger. If the board keeps picking him to play then why should he not play? This has nothing to do with buying into anything, there not even trying to sell us anything. They don't have enough regard for us to allow such things to cross their minds.
You talk about "true" managers but they are mostly in and out of clubs like whores on a schedule. You can't single Wenger out for his behaviour when that's how the whole game is these days. In fact he's probably the least compromised when you consider outright crooks like Ferguson and Redknapp. Football has got much, much bigger problems than Arsene Wenger and so has Arsenal Football Club, or what's left of it.
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it was anything but.
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