Match Reaction ARSENAL v sp*rs - 27th Sep Emirates Stadium

[Xhaka Can’t]

Arsene Lupin - new Arsenal manager?

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

straw man alert straw man alert!!!!

My point is that we shouldn't be replacing Wenger just for the sake of getting rid of him, but that he should be replaced only by top quality, still haven't seen anything that convinces me Martinez is that man. I'm genuinely a fan of Jurgen Klopp but in a results business it's hard to argue that he's had a good season, three defeats already. Don't get me started on Brendan Rodgers either.

Yeah because Wenger is doing such a fantastic job isn't he.

[Letters]

I don't know about 'fantastic' but Moyes, one of the replacements seriously suggested on here, just took the reigning champions to 7th place.
There's no point in replacing Wenger with just anyone on the basis that any idiot could do better. There are a lot of idiots who would do a lot worse.
We need to do something to end the Groundhog Day but I don't see how any of us wins by replacing Wenger with someone who would take us into mid-table.

[gunnerrrrr]

I don't know about 'fantastic' but Moyes, one of the replacements seriously suggested on here, just took the reigning champions to 7th place.
There's no point in replacing Wenger with just anyone on the basis that any idiot could do better. There are a lot of idiots who would do a lot worse.
We need to do something to end the Groundhog Day but I don't see how any of us wins by replacing Wenger with someone who would take us into mid-table.

Wasnt it "Arsene who?" at one stage.

My point being, the risk is surely worth it? W currently have a guy who it is abundantly clear to see is no longer as shrewd or perhaps modern as he needs to be. To add to this, Wenger refuses to accept help it seems, is definitely stubborn and has made some shocking moves in the transfer market for the last 5/6 years.

Of course we would all like Klopp or someone of that ilk, but i am sure a club our size can scout some brilliant world class up and coming younger managers.

Wenger has just become a massive parody of himself and i actually believe it hurts the club financially not to have a more forward thinking, hungry manager in place. We live in a time where history doesnt mean as much as us fans would pretend it does, we live in a time where glory, media exposure and star names mean bigger fan bases and more lucrative sponsorship contracts. However to secure these contracts you have to be a wining or challenging football club both domestically and in Europe.

Wenger just seems incapable now of being a winning manager as he gets easily out thought and out fought by even the most average of manager.

[Globalgunner]

I don't know about 'fantastic' but Moyes, one of the replacements seriously suggested on here, just took the reigning champions to 7th place.
There's no point in replacing Wenger with just anyone on the basis that any idiot could do better. There are a lot of idiots who would do a lot worse.
We need to do something to end the Groundhog Day but I don't see how any of us wins by replacing Wenger with someone who would take us into mid-table.

I see, you only want a no risk replacement because Wenger is doing such a bang up job.
Im pretty sure Big Sam and Mark Hughes have been mentioned somewhere on some thread on this forum. So maybe we who want Wenger replaced have also suggested them too in the past. Letters wont have a sensible discussion on this topic. If you say he doesn't want Wenger replaced. He will pipe up with. " Where did I say that?". However all he ever says is " Don`t replace Wenger because there is a risk the next manager could be worse. FFS! That like saying Don't go to work tomorrow, there's a chance you could get run over by a wayward driver. The only thing Wenger guarantees is stagnation and if not for Pool and United being crap right now, we would have no hope of 4th even. Wake up, the man is done. The club has become a pliable instrument to his pride. Pride that is rapidly turning into laughable hubris. 4th place is not the be all and end all of our ambitions or capabilities as a club.

[Injury Time]

I see, you only want a no risk replacement because Wenger is doing such a bang up job.
Im pretty sure Big Sam and Mark Hughes have been mentioned somewhere on some thread on this forum. So maybe we who want Wenger replaced have also suggested them too in the past. Letters wont have a sensible discussion on this topic. If you say he doesn't want Wenger replaced. He will pipe up with. " Where did I say that?". However all he ever says is " Don`t replace Wenger because there is a risk the next manager could be worse. FFS! That like saying Don't go to work tomorrow, there's a chance you could get run over by a wayward driver. The only thing Wenger guarantees is stagnation and if not for Pool and United being crap right now, we would have no hope of 4th even. Wake up, the man is done. The club has become a pliable instrument to his pride. Pride that is rapidly turning into laughable hubris. 4th place is not the be all and end all of our ambitions or capabilities as a club.

[Letters]

I see, you only want a no risk replacement because Wenger is doing such a bang up job.

There's no such thing as a no risk replacement, obviously. But clearly we need to try and find someone better, not someone different. Whilst I think pretty much everyone agrees we need to look beyond Wenger now, there is no point at all in replacing him with someone worse. Of course there's no guarantee the next manager will be better but some of the names mentioned on here are pretty much guaranteed to be worse.

However all he ever says is " Don`t replace Wenger because there is a risk the next manager could be worse.

That isn't what I've said.

That like saying Don't go to work tomorrow, there's a chance you could get run over by a wayward driver.

It is nothing like saying that

[fakeyank]

Why would you be glad?

Because his failure to improve our squad over the last few season has been less about money being spent. It was more related to him being stubborn and being a mediocre tactician and man manager. People always hid behind the "he has no money" excuse for too long. Now he will be exposed and its high time he is exposed for being what he is- a once great manager who is at best mediocre right now.

[Niall_Quinn]

Evidently some people just don't get what football is these days. It's a business first and a sport an increasingly distant second. In the eyes of the people who employ him Wenger is indeed doing a fantastic job and whether we like it or not that's all that counts. Any business that expands at the rate Arsenal is expanding is considered a successful business. We saw the last lot of owners jump with half a billion quid hanging out of their back pockets, having invested next to nothing. It was Wenger who made their gold digging look respectable. They "loved" the club a fraction as much as an Abramovich (who at least digs in his own pocket). Arsenal's growth has been sold and sustained by the results Wenger has achieved on the pitch, including the results of the last decade. Keep bums on seats and wallets open - and he's doing that. If that doesn't suit some fans then get your chequebook out and make a bid, that's the only way you'll get a say.

There's so much more to this club than the tactics and formations and falls at the final hurdle that Wenger is rightly criticised for by the fans. There's the huge amount of cash tumbling into the club, the rocketing share value, the important stuff. Player signings, tours, these are not for the fans but for the prestige and hence the earnings potential of the club. The fact the fans get all doe eyed about it is a freebie. People should get real here just for a minute. You're talking about one of the Walmart gang and a Russian gangster, a slick yank marketing shark and so on. None of these people have any place in football in the first place but here they are. And you hear some fans saying get Wenger out (the football man) and get the Russian in. What do you think caused all the problems in football in the first place? Why do you think managers who underachieve on the pitch are untouchable? Grow up maybe.

The replacement for Wenger will come in when the money men decide it and it will be done in such a way as to continue the growth of the club. Just as with any business. Until then, complaining about Wenger's oddities on the pitch is entirely legitimate but bitching on about him being at the club is a waste of breath and an enduring pain for the majority of fans who can see beyond the end of their own noses.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Evidently some people just don't get what football is these days. It's a business first and a sport an increasingly distant second. In the eyes of the people who employ him Wenger is indeed doing a fantastic job and whether we like it or not that's all that counts. Any business that expands at the rate Arsenal is expanding is considered a successful business. We saw the last lot of owners jump with half a billion quid hanging out of their back pockets, having invested next to nothing. It was Wenger who made their gold digging look respectable. They "loved" the club a fraction as much as an Abramovich (who at least digs in his own pocket). Arsenal's growth has been sold and sustained by the results Wenger has achieved on the pitch, including the results of the last decade. Keep bums on seats and wallets open - and he's doing that. If that doesn't suit some fans then get your chequebook out and make a bid, that's the only way you'll get a say.

There's so much more to this club than the tactics and formations and falls at the final hurdle that Wenger is rightly criticised for by the fans. There's the huge amount of cash tumbling into the club, the rocketing share value, the important stuff. Player signings, tours, these are not for the fans but for the prestige and hence the earnings potential of the club. The fact the fans get all doe eyed about it is a freebie. People should get real here just for a minute. You're talking about one of the Walmart gang and a Russian gangster, a slick yank marketing shark and so on. None of these people have any place in football in the first place but here they are. And you hear some fans saying get Wenger out (the football man) and get the Russian in. What do you think caused all the problems in football in the first place? Why do you think managers who underachieve on the pitch are untouchable? Grow up maybe.

The replacement for Wenger will come in when the money men decide it and it will be done in such a way as to continue the growth of the club. Just as with any business. Until then, complaining about Wenger's oddities on the pitch is entirely legitimate but bitching on about him being at the club is a waste of breath and an enduring pain for the majority of fans who can see beyond the end of their own noses.

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Allowing Jabba the Rapist to own our club is financially and morally speaking about as responsible as playing quazar inside the cooling tower at Sellafield, it infuriates me the amount of people who want to see him take over.....it's like wanting a tumour on your throat to grow malignant because it will make your voice sound more cool.

No-one is a fan of Wenger, even his erstwhile greatest admirers looked upon him signing a three year contract extension with trepidation, and what's more frustrating about his stubborn and often negligent management of the club is the staggering amount he earns. I wouldn't mind but this is a guy whose house in london simply has to be littered with complimentary samples from hotel rooms......

The simple fact is the likes of Kroenke and Usmanov have been the most alarming agents of change, Kroenke especially ingratiated himself with the Old Bank of England crowd....the old school of Dein, Fiszman, Edelman have all now gone....Hill-Wood has gone into suspended animation until they find a cure for mortality....no-one left gives a fuck...no accountability for the manager.