Ozil - Do we need him?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Definitely. He's not great but good. Some people have a problem with me saying that. But I'm more so thinking of the defence splitting passes we'd see from Dennis and even Cesc. I don't see Ozil pulling many of them off which is why I don't pay much attention to that chance creation stat. It's misleading. I don't rate cut backs that highly especially if on the edge of the box and shooting is the better option.

I don't have a problem with you saying that, it's your opinion I just strongly disagree

[Power n Glory]

I don't have a problem with you saying that, it's your opinion I just strongly disagree

Strongly disagree with what? Him being good but not great? You'd rank him alongside Bergkamp?

[bignev]

Ozil - Do we need him?

Yes. Yes we bloody do!

The only way I would countenance us letting him go is if we had someone more influential lined up to take his place in the team. We're talking Ronaldo, Messi, Suarez level.

Let's be honest though. We're not going to sign that level of player and even if we did there is no way them joining would be contingent on him leaving.

WUM's are everywhere.

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[mastermind84]

Ozil - Do we need him?

Yes. Yes we bloody do!

The only way I would countenance us letting him go is if we had someone more influential lined up to take his place in the team. We're talking Ronaldo, Messi, Suarez level.

Let's be honest though. We're not going to sign that level of player and even if we did there is no way them joining would be contingent on him leaving.

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if we signed a player of that magnitude and they struggled for two games, the same idiots will make a thread called "Messi, do we need him?"

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Strongly disagree with what? Him being good but not great? You'd rank him alongside Bergkamp?

In terms of both being great players who have played for the club yes of course, I wouldn't compare him to Bergkamp as said earlier it's a case of apples and house bricks.

Bergkamp played in a team that a) had more great players in it than Ozil does and b) played under a manager who at the time was revolutionary in his thinking and not dated.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Great players in my view who have played for Arsenal in my lifetime

Ian Wright, Tony Adams, David Seaman, Thierry Henry, Patrick Vieira, Dennis Bergkamp, Robert Pires, Sol Campbell, Cesc Fabregas, Robin Van Persie and Mesut Ozil....and if played in the right position I think in time would add Alexis Sanchez to that list

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that both players are far away the two most talented players we have at Arsenal currently

[Niall_Quinn]

Definitely. He's not great but good. Some people have a problem with me saying that. But I'm more so thinking of the defence splitting passes we'd see from Dennis and even Cesc. I don't see Ozil pulling many of them off which is why I don't pay much attention to that chance creation stat. It's misleading. I don't rate cut backs that highly especially if on the edge of the box and shooting is the better option.

What you're not seeing is Ozil playing with Henry and Pires and Freddie and the gang. Instead it's Bif, Walnut, and the square peg, round hole Alexis. Of course there's going to be an immense difference in the end result. But surely don't take from that the idea Ozil is deficient, surely take from it the degree by which the manager has let the general standards at this club fall. Ozil has moved from the pinnacle in Spain to a PL team in shocking decline in terms of quality, but still he delivers the best numbers in Europe. If he's not remarkable in your book then nobody can be, because he tops them all when it comes to doing his job - assisting goal scorers and creating scoring chances. What more can be asked of him? You say he needs to shoot more. Why? What the fuck are our strikers up to if we are relying on our playmaker to do the shooting?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

What you're not seeing is Ozil playing with Henry and Pires and Freddie and the gang. Instead it's Bif, Walnut, and the square peg, round hole Alexis. Of course there's going to be an immense difference in the end result. But surely don't take from that the idea Ozil is deficient, surely take from it the degree by which the manager has let the general standards at this club fall. Ozil has moved from the pinnacle in Spain to a PL team in shocking decline in terms of quality, but still he delivers the best numbers in Europe. If he's not remarkable in your book then nobody can be, because he tops them all when it comes to doing his job - assisting goal scorers and creating scoring chances. What more can be asked of him? You say he needs to shoot more. Why? What the fuck are our strikers up to if we are relying on our playmaker to do the shooting?

I wouldn't have added Ljungberg to that personally, I think he would make my list of one of the most overrated players to play for Arsenal

[Niall_Quinn]

Great players in my view who have played for Arsenal in my lifetime

Ian Wright, Tony Adams, David Seaman, Thierry Henry, Patrick Vieira, Dennis Bergkamp, Robert Pires, Sol Campbell, Cesc Fabregas, Robin Van Persie and Mesut Ozil....and if played in the right position I think in time would add Alexis Sanchez to that list

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that both players are far away the two most talented players we have at Arsenal currently

And the ridiculously underrated Gilberto plus, choke, Cashley Cole.

Mind you, I can go back to Liam Brady. Genius. Pat Jennings was a great keeper from a time of great keepers.

[Niall_Quinn]

I wouldn't have added Ljungberg to that personally, I think he would make my list of one of the most overrated players to play for Arsenal

Sorry, but that's almost as silly as suggesting Ozil isn't needed. Freddie was a superb player. His misfortune was he played at a time when we had genuine, world beating legends at the club.