Match Reaction vs Everton (away).

[selassie]

Agreed. And that is a more sensible viewpoint than Zim's nonsense hyperbole.
We SHOULD be challenging for the title every year although it's worth remembering that it's only Wenger's time with us which has created that expectation level - read Fever Pitch for more details.
This is the Wenger Paradox as I will keep calling it till it catches on. He is the reason we have this expectation level to challenge for titles and also the reason we don't.

Well nobody other than Wenger is holding back the team or lowering the expectation levels, he is the PROBLEM and he created the PROBLEM. It's One step forward Two steps back with him.

It's not really about what words we use, the facts are there for us all to see.

This whole new era/change when we bought Ozil or Sanchez has been flushed down the drain, we have to start it all over again this January/Summer except we are in a much worse position than we were before as the competition is now very fierce both in terms of the quality of Managers we are facing and the quality of teams we are facing.

Wenger is done, he's out of his depth now, he can't and won't fix this team.

He doesn't even deserve this season, what is he going to do that is any different? He makes a mess of player recruitment, ignores deficiencies in the team and fails to adapt to what is required of a team to challenge in modern day PL. He's useless to us.

[Özim]

2 of our stars of yesterday will be off next summer, so it's not even like these results matter that much, as Selassie we're starting again next summer, not building towards anything, just looking forward to losing to of our biggest signings for nothing, most probably without signing adequate replacements.

Thank you so much Wenger for raising our expectations, what would we do without you?

[Letters]

God knows why you entertain this conversation. Letters is lost.

Ooh! Ooh! Can I do the PnG trick?
Sorry, you obviously aren't smart enough to understand my position.
Hey, you're right, this IS fun!

[Letters]

The manager is awful, dress it up anyway you like but there's a reason we are where we are and that we have regressed despite the huge resources, stability that no other club has had and all the resources to succeed, his decisions, his tactics, his signings, his failure to accept the important of leadership, the fact he plays players in the wrong positions, doesn't allow proper coaching, make poor subsitutions and picks inappropriate lineups, his failure to deal with contracts and the list goes on.

Not the suqads fault it's not all that great, it's the managers insistence on not wanting to do the logical thing like most other manager does. Other managers take risks, this can mean you end up higher up one seasona and lower the next, Wenger changes next to nothing, so this allows him to maintain a similar level but not for us to progress.

He's averse to risk and this creates stability, but for the fans he delivers some of the worst entertainment pound for pound. I'd take coming 8th in a season if it meant we went into a new season with unpredictablity and hope it could be different or perhaps that we might have an exciting sumer chasing and signing some decent players, or even if it meant we produced some glorious performances where we wipe the floor with the opposition, rather than this almost constant level where games are broing 99% of the time and performances produced are the bare minimum to get a result.

Yes we in games, but most of the time there's very little pleasure to be had from these wins because in the end we're unconvincing and deliver a substandard experience. The self proclaimed entertainer has forgotten what entertainment actually is but still thinks he delivers it by the bucketful, it's frankly embarassing, as is the way he just sweeps regular humiliations under the carpet like they never happened.

Actually agree with a lot of that, but he is an above average manager with an above average squad, compared with the rest of the PL. Results have shown that, let's not go overboard.
The issue is he's not good enough to get us challenging for the biggest prizes. The expectation level and the resources to do so are down to Wenger so he deserves some credit for that.
But if we're going to seriously compete again then he need a better manager, clearly. But do you trust this board to pick one?
While Kronke is around I don't see much hope for the future, to be honest.

[Niall_Quinn]

People are going to react with cynicism whenever Wenger is defended, even mildly, because his position is indefensible now. Stand back and look at the state this club is in. He swore he'd never do damage to this club, that he'd leave if he couldn't progress things. But all along he was talking about the finances (which he dressed up by using the word culture, the culture at Arsenal) when the fans assumed he was talking about the team and success on the pitch. They assumed that because Ivan the Lizard came right out and said it. He promised investment on the pitch that was fit for the new stadium, he anticipated competition with that team that keeps thrashing us 10-2. These people don't have a leg to stand on. They are spectacular failures by their own standards, let alone ours. It is totally unreasonable to defend them. Either they are liars or they are so incompetent it beggars belief. FA Cup wins with a 9 figure squad does not hide these facts. Wigan can win that cup but when was the last time you saw Wigan competing for a title. That helps you understand the gulf between an FA Cup and the titles a club the size of Arsenal should be competing for. They are out of excuses, or so you would think, and most certainly fans shouldn't be making excuses on their behalf.

It's a fucking joke this Wenger bloke got another contract and a huge pay rise. A disgrace that can't be excused by any means. He's not a good manager, or even and above average manager, and whether Klopp wins the title or gets relegated is neither here nor there. Klopp can't be used as an excuse for Wenger. When the charlatans at our place were hiking the prices to world record levels they weren't talking about scrabbling around the minor places competing with Liverpool, so let's throw that lame excuse out and leave it out. That said, I'm pretty damn sure it wouldn't have taken Klopp 9 games to figure out it's smart to pick your best players and play them in the correct positions. I hope nobody is planning on giving Wenger an ounce of credit for yesterday. A first time FIFA gamer would be able to figure out what Wenger has just stumbled on, so why should the idiot get credit for being 9 games late to the obvious?

Above average nothing. I could be above average at anything if you stuck enough resources at my disposal. Doesn't mean I wouldn't mismanage the fuck out of them, as Wenger has done.

No excuses for the bloke. He's a selfish turd. A remarkable turd. Well above average in every turdish way you could think of. Stinking out the place. And it's time for him to fuck right off.

[Power n Glory]

People are going to react with cynicism whenever Wenger is defended, even mildly, because his position is indefensible now. Stand back and look at the state this club is in. He swore he'd never do damage to this club, that he'd leave if he couldn't progress things. But all along he was talking about the finances (which he dressed up by using the word culture, the culture at Arsenal) when the fans assumed he was talking about the team and success on the pitch. They assumed that because Ivan the Lizard came right out and said it. He promised investment on the pitch that was fit for the new stadium, he anticipated competition with that team that keeps thrashing us 10-2. These people don't have a leg to stand on. They are spectacular failures by their own standards, let alone ours. It is totally unreasonable to defend them. Either they are liars or they are so incompetent it beggars belief. FA Cup wins with a 9 figure squad does not hide these facts. Wigan can win that cup but when was the last time you saw Wigan competing for a title. That helps you understand the gulf between an FA Cup and the titles a club the size of Arsenal should be competing for. They are out of excuses, or so you would think, and most certainly fans shouldn't be making excuses on their behalf.

It's a fucking joke this Wenger bloke got another contract and a huge pay rise. A disgrace that can't be excused by any means. He's not a good manager, or even and above average manager, and whether Klopp wins the title or gets relegated is neither here nor there. Klopp can't be used as an excuse for Wenger. When the charlatans at our place were hiking the prices to world record levels they weren't talking about scrabbling around the minor places competing with Liverpool, so let's throw that lame excuse out and leave it out. That said, I'm pretty damn sure it wouldn't have taken Klopp 9 games to figure out it's smart to pick your best players and play them in the correct positions. I hope nobody is planning on giving Wenger an ounce of credit for yesterday. A first time FIFA gamer would be able to figure out what Wenger has just stumbled on, so why should the idiot get credit for being 9 games late to the obvious?

Above average nothing. I could be above average at anything if you stuck enough resources at my disposal. Doesn't mean I wouldn't mismanage the fuck out of them, as Wenger has done.

No excuses for the bloke. He's a selfish turd. A remarkable turd. Well above average in every turdish way you could think of. Stinking out the place. And it's time for him to fuck right off.

[AFC Leveller]

Career club assists...
- Ozil: 198
- Bergkamp, Scholes and Zidane combined: 189
But Özil "goes missing"

[Özim]

People are going to react with cynicism whenever Wenger is defended, even mildly, because his position is indefensible now. Stand back and look at the state this club is in. He swore he'd never do damage to this club, that he'd leave if he couldn't progress things. But all along he was talking about the finances (which he dressed up by using the word culture, the culture at Arsenal) when the fans assumed he was talking about the team and success on the pitch. They assumed that because Ivan the Lizard came right out and said it. He promised investment on the pitch that was fit for the new stadium, he anticipated competition with that team that keeps thrashing us 10-2. These people don't have a leg to stand on. They are spectacular failures by their own standards, let alone ours. It is totally unreasonable to defend them. Either they are liars or they are so incompetent it beggars belief. FA Cup wins with a 9 figure squad does not hide these facts. Wigan can win that cup but when was the last time you saw Wigan competing for a title. That helps you understand the gulf between an FA Cup and the titles a club the size of Arsenal should be competing for. They are out of excuses, or so you would think, and most certainly fans shouldn't be making excuses on their behalf.

It's a fucking joke this Wenger bloke got another contract and a huge pay rise. A disgrace that can't be excused by any means. He's not a good manager, or even and above average manager, and whether Klopp wins the title or gets relegated is neither here nor there. Klopp can't be used as an excuse for Wenger. When the charlatans at our place were hiking the prices to world record levels they weren't talking about scrabbling around the minor places competing with Liverpool, so let's throw that lame excuse out and leave it out. That said, I'm pretty damn sure it wouldn't have taken Klopp 9 games to figure out it's smart to pick your best players and play them in the correct positions. I hope nobody is planning on giving Wenger an ounce of credit for yesterday. A first time FIFA gamer would be able to figure out what Wenger has just stumbled on, so why should the idiot get credit for being 9 games late to the obvious?

Above average nothing. I could be above average at anything if you stuck enough resources at my disposal. Doesn't mean I wouldn't mismanage the fuck out of them, as Wenger has done.

No excuses for the bloke. He's a selfish turd. A remarkable turd. Well above average in every turdish way you could think of. Stinking out the place. And it's time for him to fuck right off.

Great post, agree with it all.

[Özim]

Career club assists...
- Ozil: 198
- Bergkamp, Scholes and Zidane combined: 189
But Özil "goes missing"

Posting that really illustrates the problem with stats, I'm a fan of Ozil and think he is top quality in the right team (not as a player who has to pull you out of a hole but as an addition to an already very good squad to make it even better), but if you're going to be comparing them to the players you have saying he has more assists it will really just point out how they are useless in isolation.

Bergkamp was an amazing footballer that offered so much to the team on top of assists, Scholes is widely recognised as one of Man U's best ever players and one of the best in the PL and Zidane was one of the worlds best ever footballers with his flair and ability to produce the sublime, Ozil is not in the same league.

[GP]

Koeman has been sacked.