Watford match reaction

[Özim]

Let’s be clear though. Whilst I don’t think there is anything to be celebrated

I don’t think it’s fair to state that people who are happy for the club to have won the game think Wenger is the bees knees

Although I’m not saying you are saying that, just pointing out there is a distinction to be made

There's plenty of people who after a couple win come out and defend Wenger and slate those that say anything against him (not so much on here maybe but in the fanbase certainly), these are Wenger supporters, not Arsenal supporters because they care more about him than what's happening to the club.

It doesn't bother me if someone is happy we won these games to be honest, what does is people piping up and being smug because we won these after a string of defeats, this in no way changes anything.

If we could win every game and know Wenger would be gone, I'd be very happy for us to win them all (I'm torn because I'd like us to win the Europa because it's a European trophy but if it means Wenger gets to stay and gets some sort of praise for this season and gets to stay. it would be hard to stomach).

Realistically though the more we win the less likely he is to leave, he might not leave even if he kept losing of course, but at least you can hope he will, if he won more games and the Europa there's zero chance, I actually think if he had a good run in the league till the end of the season but lost the Europa he'd still be in the job.

[Letters]

and I'm laughing at the Arsenal fans who still think Wenger is the bees knees and are over the moon when we beat Watford in a meaningless game and then WUM at the genuine Arsenal fans (not Wenger fans).

So you're not laughing at anyone then, because no-one is doing that. Certainly not on here.
Complete straw man argument.



If you only had a brain...

[Özim]

So you're not laughing at anyone then, because no-one is doing that. Certainly not on here.
Complete straw man argument.



If you only had a brain...

No one is celebrating not winning either despite what you think, so it's ironic you bring up the straw man.

#commonsense

[Letters]

I'm not a fan of the guy.

[Letters]

No one is celebrating not winning either despite what you think, so it's ironic you bring up the straw man.

#commonsense

You always seem very annoyed when we win and super-happy when we don't.
I shouldn't need to explain why that is odd behaviour from someone who calls themself an Arsenal fan.

[KSE Comedy Club]

There's plenty of people who after a couple win come out and defend Wenger and slate those that say anything against him (not so much on here maybe but in the fanbase certainly), these are Wenger supporters, not Arsenal supporters because they care more about him than what's happening to the club.

It doesn't bother me if someone is happy we won these games to be honest, what does is people piping up and being smug because we won these after a string of defeats, this in no way changes anything.

If we could win every game and know Wenger would be gone, I'd be very happy for us to win them all (I'm torn because I'd like us to win the Europa because it's a European trophy but if it means Wenger gets to stay and gets some sort of praise for this season and gets to stay. it would be hard to stomach).

Realistically though the more we win the less likely he is to leave, he might not leave even if he kept losing of course, but at least you can hope he will, if he won more games and the Europa there's zero chance, I actually think if he had a good run in the league till the end of the season but lost the Europa he'd still be in the job.

This is it in a nutshell

[KSE Comedy Club]

You always seem very annoyed when we win and super-happy when we don't.
I shouldn't need to explain why that is odd behaviour from someone who calls themself an Arsenal fan.

It's obvious why he does this though

I think Zim along with everyone else who thinks this way have explained themselves enough times to make your statement null and void.

You would have to be proper retard to still not understand at this point.

[HCZ]

I agree these wins are pointless, as we can already see Wenger gets more smug and it buys him more time in the job, which we definitely don't want.

I'll be thrilled when Wengers goes for several reasons:

1) Unpredictability and hope will return, we won't know what will happen and will have hope we can be successful
2) New tactics, new players, new style of play are all a distinct possibility, personally I'd prefer counter attacking but we'd have to wait and see
3) More logical transfers, players being signed in the areas we need and not randomly because the manager likes them
4) No more square pegs in round holes

For me it' all about being sick of Wenger, for years he's not been able to mix it anymore, but what's worse is that he doesn't eve try, he sticks to the same thing season after season, I'm not a fan of the guy, I don't like his arrogance (it's totally unwarranted as he hasn't been successful for years) and lack of humility, nor the fact he really doesn't care about the fans or indeed on the field success (or at least that's very much secondary).

He's ruined the club from head to toe and the day he finally walks out the door will be a great day in the history of Arsenal, even if we do have 2-3 seasons rebuilding (it will take time) that's fine, at least we'll have an aim, like the other clubs, to improve and not just stick to the old failing methods time after time and be proud of it.

Just hope we bring a decent manager in, rather than another yes man or Wenger clone.

My attitude is I will be glad when he goes and I don’t understand this sentimentality of he shouldn’t be sacked. If he refuses to go of his own accord, of course he should be sacked.

For his many faults, had he gone in 2014 the club would have been left in great shape. And it would have been unreasonable not to have given him due credit for that. The fa cup after a trophy drought of nine years was a big deal to me and had he stepped down in the aftermath it would have been to almost universal appreciation from fans.

Four years later he has created so much bad feeling that if he is ever fully rehabilitated it will take a lot of water to go under a lot of bridges. We call him deluded, but I don’t think he is at all. Neither do I think he lacks ambition, he’s just all too aware of his inability to compete either with clubs with better resources or clubs with managers able to figure us out.

I stated last week that were many of us in his situation, unlimited power and a hefty wage I don’t think many of us would let go that easily. It’s easy to be pious when we are not in the situation, and how many managers unless they are preparing to retire would admit they haven’t got it anymore.

But equally its not fair for us as fans to put up with the consequences of human nature. If Wenger had stepped down either last summer or three years previously, he unquestionably would have been doing the right thing, what’s most contemptible for me is the cowardliness of people like the Kroenkes who probably despite what’s claimed otherwise don’t give a shit whether he goes or not and would rather sit back and pressure Wenger to make the decision which we know he won’t

[Özim]

You always seem very annoyed when we win and super-happy when we don't.
I shouldn't need to explain why that is odd behaviour from someone who calls themself an Arsenal fan.

Really? You must be stalking me or something if you know that, truth is I'm not bothered either way, Wenger has ruined it for me, I barely follow the matches anymore thanks to him, so it shows what you know tbh.

We've already proved you're wrong but even if you had been right, seeing as where the club is and that every win makes it more likely he'll stay in charge it's really not that hard to understand tbh, trouble is with you is that you think Wenger deserves some kind of respect and shouldn't be hounded out by the fans or leave on a bad note, I really don't care as long as he leaves.

I'd love nothing more than for us to be playing good football, challenging for the big prizes and to have excitement back, Wenger is incapable of delivering any of those, on that basis he needs to leave and if we need to lose every game for it to happen, so be it it won't be the end of the world as we're not challenging for anything other than the Europa.

[HCZ]

There's plenty of people who after a couple win come out and defend Wenger and slate those that say anything against him (not so much on here maybe but in the fanbase certainly), these are Wenger supporters, not Arsenal supporters because they care more about him than what's happening to the club.

It doesn't bother me if someone is happy we won these games to be honest, what does is people piping up and being smug because we won these after a string of defeats, this in no way changes anything.

If we could win every game and know Wenger would be gone, I'd be very happy for us to win them all (I'm torn because I'd like us to win the Europa because it's a European trophy but if it means Wenger gets to stay and gets some sort of praise for this season and gets to stay. it would be hard to stomach).

Realistically though the more we win the less likely he is to leave, he might not leave even if he kept losing of course, but at least you can hope he will, if he won more games and the Europa there's zero chance, I actually think if he had a good run in the league till the end of the season but lost the Europa he'd still be in the job.

These same people slate other people in the fan base whether we win, draw or lose

Someone stated that fans who want Wenger sacked if he doesn’t want to go are Shylocks