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    Quote Originally Posted by KSE Comedy Club View Post
    There's the problem
    Oh true but Twitter like it or not is one of the easiest and most effective mass communication systems currently

    I think a lot of it comes down to people wanting to believe that we are headed for the promised land

    I take nothing on faith and my experience is with this club that we’ve seen far too many false dawns

    But the one thing about football that doesn’t change is that the most successful teams control the ball in the middle of the park, and I’ve said we haven’t done that for almost a decade. We can do it perhaps against championship teams like Bournemouth but when it comes to teams that don’t give you room to think or breathe and will punish any hesitancy there’s nothing I’ve seen that states that we’ve addressed this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn View Post
    Oh true but Twitter like it or not is one of the easiest and most effective mass communication systems currently

    I think a lot of it comes down to people wanting to believe that we are headed for the promised land

    I take nothing on faith and my experience is with this club that we’ve seen far too many false dawns

    But the one thing about football that doesn’t change is that the most successful teams control the ball in the middle of the park, and I’ve said we haven’t done that for almost a decade. We can do it perhaps against championship teams like Bournemouth but when it comes to teams that don’t give you room to think or breathe and will punish any hesitancy there’s nothing I’ve seen that states that we’ve addressed this.
    I came off it though as there were so many bellends my ears were always ringing!

    Yeh, agree with that. We have been crying out for a solid CM for more time than I can remember.
    I hate to revert back to the old saying, but - we never replaced Vieira.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by KSE Comedy Club View Post
    I came off it though as there were so many bellends my ears were always ringing!
    And you came here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn View Post
    The whole thing was the Arteta show, and whilst I don’t discount pre existing bias driving my thinking I wasn’t especially satisfied with what I saw

    The Brighton game and his reaction to that was a red flag to me, I don’t get the point getting angry with the players when he put that team out to fail…what did he expect to happen when he plays Xhaka at left back and plays Odegaard in central midfield…I was at that game. The players did not have the trust in the players around them to pass the ball forward. On at least three occasions I saw Ben White trying to carry the ball forward himself and ultimately playing it back to Gabriel because he didn’t think those in front of him could be trusted not to give the ball away and put them under pressure

    He screams and shouts about the players not winning tackles in games, maybe have a look at the players you’ve chosen and ask yourself whether they can even do that consistently. It’s like me shouting at employees because they don’t know origami

    Just feels like Hubris

    I love how many idiots who consider themselves experts on twitter accusing those not convinced by Arteta of having an agenda, for fuck sake! Yeah because I literally live for waiting for the other shoe to drop so I can say I told you so….because that’s the extent of my support for the club.
    No…I want the best for the club and I have high standards, I don’t expect everything right away but I think when people ignore glaring warning signals because they want to convince themselves everything is fine because they’ve bought into “the process” it’s a form of cult mentality.
    There is nothing I’ve seen so far that convinces me we are going to avoid the same problems we had last season, if we show we can get a result despite going behind first, if we can show we can mix it up despite a team putting the heavy press on us then I’ll put my hand up and Happily admit I was wrong.
    But I’m sorry to say I don’t see it, against Palace we benefited playing a team that was behind in its preparation due to Covid, and we played one team in disarray and one team that will be going back to the championship next season

    I actually think Fulham next weekend will be tougher than any side we’ve played so far, look at the job they did on Liverpool and look how they rode the storm against Brentford and came out winners. That will really be a good three points for us
    Oh I agree, I’m not convinced we’re going to finish 4th this year and eventually climb even higher. Arteta and this team have everything to prove and even though there’s been a clear moving of the needle, I think the majority of teams in the league will still fancy getting a result against Arsenal if they apply themselves correctly. Failing to gain points after going behind was a huge bugbear of mine last year and that’s something that must change this season for me to believe we’re really becoming a different animal.

    Personally I’m just happy to be riding the wave of positivity for once and looking forward to each game as it comes. We’ve had a kind start and any points dropped from this opening cluster of fixtures should be seen as a disappointment.

    Stopped reading Twitter a long time ago, too many people with agendas who are only interested in being right and saying I told you so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    And you came here?
    In fairness at least people here don’t take themselves seriously

    If I called people Cunts on Twitter, it would start a firestorm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Overmars View Post
    Oh I agree, I’m not convinced we’re going to finish 4th this year and eventually climb even higher. Arteta and this team have everything to prove and even though there’s been a clear moving of the needle, I think the majority of teams in the league will still fancy getting a result against Arsenal if they apply themselves correctly. Failing to gain points after going behind was a huge bugbear of mine last year and that’s something that must change this season for me to believe we’re really becoming a different animal.

    Personally I’m just happy to be riding the wave of positivity for once and looking forward to each game as it comes. We’ve had a kind start and any points dropped from this opening cluster of fixtures should be seen as a disappointment.

    Stopped reading Twitter a long time ago, too many people with agendas who are only interested in being right and saying I told you so.

    My feeling is I would probably favour us to get 4th currently because I look at Chelsea and see nothing good going on there

    But if we do it will be papering over a lot of cracks. I think we haven’t got a bad squad by any stretch but I don’t think Arteta knows how to rotate and I fear he will end up doing the same thing as last season and running players into the ground.

    Take Partey for instance should have come off the moment we went 3-0 up and had the benefit of not overusing him and giving someone like Sambi Lokonga minutes

    Substitutions seem to be a bit of an afterthought

    Don’t get me wrong, I think it’s probably the right thing to enjoy it whilst it lasts….it’s really a lesson too many of us need to apply to life in general. I just don’t think I’m built that way, I’m a glass half empty guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    And you came here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Overmars View Post
    Oh I agree, I’m not convinced we’re going to finish 4th this year and eventually climb even higher. Arteta and this team have everything to prove and even though there’s been a clear moving of the needle, I think the majority of teams in the league will still fancy getting a result against Arsenal if they apply themselves correctly. Failing to gain points after going behind was a huge bugbear of mine last year and that’s something that must change this season for me to believe we’re really becoming a different animal.

    Personally I’m just happy to be riding the wave of positivity for once and looking forward to each game as it comes. We’ve had a kind start and any points dropped from this opening cluster of fixtures should be seen as a disappointment.

    Stopped reading Twitter a long time ago, too many people with agendas who are only interested in being right and saying I told you so.
    Bit surprised by this as you're a sensible poster. Agreed that we can't take anything for granted, and falling at the final hurdle was disappointing last season, but surely there has been cause for optimisim this season?

    If we look at the tire fires that are Manure and even Chelsea ATM, it does seem to me that Arteta has been successful in addressing the huge cultural problem that existed when AW left the club, and although I'm only half way through Arteta comes accros well for me on All or Nothing, as does Josh Kroenke - and the club seems pretty stable and a happy ship. The players clearly believe in him, so why can't we?
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    Quote Originally Posted by IBK View Post
    Bit surprised by this as you're a sensible poster. Agreed that we can't take anything for granted, and falling at the final hurdle was disappointing last season, but surely there has been cause for optimisim this season?

    If we look at the tire fires that are Manure and even Chelsea ATM, it does seem to me that Arteta has been successful in addressing the huge cultural problem that existed when AW left the club, and although I'm only half way through Arteta comes accros well for me on All or Nothing, as does Josh Kroenke - and the club seems pretty stable and a happy ship. The players clearly believe in him, so why can't we?
    Aye, I think Arteta and Kroenke have came.out of this better than they went in, for sure. Certainly in my opinion, which is probably all that matters here, tbh.

    On the other hand, I think the execs, Vinai and Dick whatever, and tona lesser extent Edu, came off as a wee bit amateurish to me.
    Last edited by mandela8; 22-08-2022 at 12:24 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mandela8 View Post
    Aye, I think Arteta and Kroenke have came.out of this better than they went in, for sure. Certainly in my opinion, which is probably all that matters here, tbh.

    On the other hand, I think the execs, Vinai and Dick whatever, and tona lesser extent Edu, came off as a wee bit amateurish to me.
    Yeah - Vinai did for sure, IMO.
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