Summer Transfer Speculation and Shit.

[Dein-machine]

This.


Everyone bitched and moaned that the invincibles were culled too early and the squad lacked experience after that and now we want to repeat the same mistakes.

It's a long season with numerous games, especially if you want to go far in all four competitions.

Rosicky is still boss and should hopefully get some decent game time and as for Arteta, he's a magnificent club captain apparently and is primarily the main driver behind the fantastic team atmosphere at the club now by helping integrate all the cliques together. He's also top coach potential; no harm in him sticking around if he wants to either.

Flamini can fuck off though, even if he's Ozil's new BFF.

We have more than enough experience without Arteta or Rosicky. Experienced pros can only have an affect on how we play if they are on the pitch, doesn't matter how much they are part of a "fantastic team atmosphere". They are taking up places in a squad where we have good youngsters coming through & the need to add more quality. If we have a fairly injuring-free start to next year, Rosicky & Arteta will probably only get a start in the League cup. When we already know what they can offer & they are coming to the end of their careers - is that really a good move instead of giving the youngsters a chance to stake a claim.

[Power n Glory]

We have more than enough experience without Arteta or Rosicky. Experienced pros can only have an affect on how we play if they are on the pitch, doesn't matter how much they are part of a "fantastic team atmosphere". They are taking up places in a squad where we have good youngsters coming through & the need to add more quality. If we have a fairly injuring-free start to next year, Rosicky & Arteta will probably only get a start in the League cup. When we already know what they can offer & they are coming to the end of their careers - is that really a good move instead of giving the youngsters a chance to stake a claim.

Keep thinking along those lines and you'll understand why Wenger kept Denilson in the starting line up for so long and why Sanogo was getting games. I'm against reserving spots for players that haven't proven themselves whilst shifting out players that have. Ramsey, Wilshere and Ox are inconsistent young players. We can't bank on them. We don't even have a lot of good DM's so it makes even less sense to ship Arteta out. I have no problem with keeping a big squad. It's only a problem if it gets in the way of us signing players and Arteta and Rosicky aren't the players getting in the way. 1 year contracts are fine. Wilshere and Ramsey are the players stopping Wenger from signing better players because he's banking on them to prove their potential. While that happens, we need stop gap players that can perform on days they fumble. Wenger kept the in form players playing last season and didn't shunt Bellerin or Coquelin to the bench once Debucy and Arteta were fit. It's nothing to worry about.

[Dein-machine]

Keep thinking along those lines and you'll understand why Wenger kept Denilson in the starting line up for so long and why Sanogo was getting games. I'm against reserving spots for players that haven't proven themselves whilst shifting out players that have. Ramsey, Wilshere and Ox are inconsistent young players. We can't bank on them. We don't even have a lot of good DM's so it makes even less sense to ship Arteta out. I have no problem with keeping a big squad. It's only a problem if it gets in the way of us signing players and Arteta and Rosicky aren't the players getting in the way. 1 year contracts are fine. Wilshere and Ramsey are the players stopping Wenger from signing better players because he's banking on them to prove their potential. While that happens, we need stop gap players that can perform on days they fumble. Wenger kept the in form players playing last season and didn't shunt Bellerin or Coquelin to the bench once Debucy and Arteta were fit. It's nothing to worry about.

So if we all think along your lines we would not have replaced Arteta with Coq ( who hadn't proved himself ), if Arteta hadn't got injured. I'm sure you'd agree - BIG, BIG mistake. If you have an outstanding player, doing the right things most of the time then ofcourse its going to be difficult for a younger guy to make an impact but we have areas in our team where a younger version with hunger to add to quality can improve us.
Also can't understand how you would compare Arteta & Rosicky to Jack & Rambo. Whilst both can suffer from inconsistency Jack & Rambo have done in a relatively short 1st team career far more then I can ever remember from Arteta & Rosicky. Jack finished this year looking top class for club & country. It was only the season before last where before injury Rambo was being talked about as one of Europe's top players. When in their Arsenal careers can you ever say that about Rosicky & Arteta.
They have been nothing more than average for a very long time, along with other deadwood that Wenger has assembled along the way (Denilson being one of them) - which believe it or not could be the reason why we have been nothing more than average for the last decade.

[Penguin]

Goodbye Incompetent midget

The 6ft midget

[Penguin]

This isn't football manager, part of managing the squad includes keeping experienced lads like Rosicky and Arteta who can still have a big influence on and off the pitch. It's illogical to have too many mid 20 internationals who all want and expect to play all the time. Why do you think Mourinho bought a 37 year old Drogba last year, or (if the rumours are true) a Falcao with his confidence in the gutters this year?

They aren't blocking anyone. Rosicky hardly gets a game these days, but he is still capable of coming off the bench and showing the rest of them how it should be done.

[Power n Glory]

So if we all think along your lines we would not have replaced Arteta with Coq ( who hadn't proved himself ), if Arteta hadn't got injured. I'm sure you'd agree - BIG, BIG mistake. If you have an outstanding player, doing the right things most of the time then ofcourse its going to be difficult for a younger guy to make an impact but we have areas in our team where a younger version with hunger to add to quality can improve us.
Also can't understand how you would compare Arteta & Rosicky to Jack & Rambo. Whilst both can suffer from inconsistency Jack & Rambo have done in a relatively short 1st team career far more then I can ever remember from Arteta & Rosicky. Jack finished this year looking top class for club & country. It was only the season before last where before injury Rambo was being talked about as one of Europe's top players. When in their Arsenal careers can you ever say that about Rosicky & Arteta.
They have been nothing more than average for a very long time, along with other deadwood that Wenger has assembled along the way (Denilson being one of them) - which believe it or not could be the reason why we have been nothing more than average for the last decade.

I think Jack scoring those blinding goals have clouded your judgement. He's been inconsistent along with Ramsey. Cazorla playing as CM really anchored our midfield and got the fluidity back into our play. Throw in Ozil and we didn't need Jack or Ramsey to start. The only other player in the squad I know can anchor the midfield like that after looking disjointed is Rosicky. A player's player and lack of appearances and injuries have held him back from really shining. ButJack and Aaron could still learn a lot from him. Intelligent distribution, deft touch and he works hard in the middle. They could learn a great deal and I wouldn't be so quick dismiss him. In hard times he can change the flow of things for us. It's a shambles that it's not recognised more Arsenal fans.

Jack and Aaron have no partnership in the midfield at all. No communication between the two or intelligent movement around the pitch so we're not leaving gaps. You can't have both playing and when we tried playing both, we were playing poor and out of the title race early.

As for Coquelin, in my books, he had proven himself before the season kicked off. I was calling for him to get some game time before he was loaned out to Charlton because I remember his performances before being loaned out in Germany. I'm not against giving youth a shot but I'm against reserving a first team place for unproven youth whilst pushing out experienced players that we know can perform to a standard at least. Not the biggest Arteta fan but I wouldn't push him out the team now when we are short in DM.

[Niall_Quinn]

The shit Arteta gets is incredible. He's been a model pro and a great captain for us. He's played out of position for ages (blame Wenger for that, not Arteta), he's been ultra reliable in key pressure situations, why wouldn't we want to have a senior player of this calibre and professionalism around the club? Diaby is gone and the chances of us making more than one or two signings in the summer is slim, so what's the rush to push Arteta and Rosicky out? We need a manager who understands how to use 20+ players over a long season rather than grinding a few favourites into the dirt, Arteta and Rosicky can be excellent players for us if used judiciously. Not saying Wenger will manage things properly, but the opportunity is there for him if he wants to do it.

[Dein-machine]

Arteta slows us down to much - was good at supplying the killer diagonal ball to Cahill at Everton - but isn't quick enough on his feet to do the Fabregas type tippy tappy role he was bought for. Wenger finally realised this ( coz it does take him a bit of time to spot the obvious) but then in his infinite wisdom decided he would make a good DM & therefore ruined him as a player of any use. He may be a lovely guy & a model pro but then give him a coaching role - don't have him stinking up the bench when his presence on a football pitch actually has a negative affect on us.

[Globalgunner]

Rosicky to my mind is still a good player, still plays for his national team because his manager recognises that the injuries have not dulled the player that he once was. I would gladly give him15-20 games next season. Arteta on the other hand can do one. Useless player, not his fault but he has dropped off a cliff in capability since joining us. He can take his immaculate hair and behaviour to Swindon town or West Ham. I can think of no situation we could find ourselves where Arteta`s stationary pillar football would be required. No need for sentiments. He has had a good career, we are nobody's retirement home. Wenger is already on an expensive pension here.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

The 6ft midget

Compared to Cech, Courtouis, De Gea who are all 6ft 4 +