I have no personal issue with Arteta I just don't want him anywhere near the first team, too slow and too much of a sideways passerOriginally Posted by Niall_Quinn
I have no personal issue with Arteta I just don't want him anywhere near the first team, too slow and too much of a sideways passer
Bielek & Zelalem are nowhere near the first team and Arteta is our only back up DCM (I'm not counting Chambers sorry). I read on Arseblog Zelalem saying he wouldn't be surprised if he was playing week in week out next year. Nice Cojones kid but I almost spat my coffee out reading it. It just isn't going to happen.
Rosicky has been unfortunate a little similar to the way Theo was. If the manager won't play you even when he can afford to bring you on, you won't get any better and in the mean time people will slag said player off finding every reason why them not playing is totally justified.
But how will we know when Bielek & Zelalem are ready for the 1st team? - Rooney was playing for Everton at 16, Messi for Barca at 17, Ronaldo in Portugal the same. They were given their chances because they didn't have 2 or 3 old farts ahead of them who had already had plenty of time to claim a 1st team spot. Why do we always seem to think players are too young under 20 when the two very best players in the world were given their chance in their teens.
You can afford to give attackers a chance at a younger age, as there's much less risk of something going wrong. In defence and DM it's rarely done because it can lose you matches.
Dont agree - not scoring goals loses you matches. If there good enough, their old enough.
There you go Herbie - I knew we'd agree on something one day!
You said, "If there good enough, their old enough."
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If you were the youth academy coach at Barca / Everton watching Rooney / Messi play....do you think you would have enough about you to spot the fact they were patently too good for the level of football they were playing and were ready for the step up?
They got their chance early because it was obvious that they were good enough. If either of Bielekor Zelalem were ready they would be getting on the bench ahead of Ramsey and Wilshere who have had their share of time on the bench this season.....never mind ahead of older pro's like Arteta and Rosicky.
Why do you think the point of realisation regarding a young players talent is his official first team debut? To the rest of the world it will be then, to the players club it will be before that.
I can tell you to add more weight to this idea that I am as much excited about Dan Crowley's ascension as I am Bielek & Zelalem's and if Crowley ends up being a top player it won't have been his senior first team appearance in which I realised he was a special player.
No - my point is they should be getting on the bench instead of Arteta & Rosicky. Ramsey & Wilshire have shown their potential & they are young enough to improve & be part of future success - Rosicky & Arteta cannot.
Its much easier to ease the likes of Zelalem into games where we've got a decent lead & he's got experience around him. Who's to say he couldn't make an immediate impact - lets say in place of an out of form Ramsey & then within weeks we are talking about him being the new saviour of Arsenal. These things happen, Coq was fortunate to get his chance - I very much doubt any of the Arsenal coaches thought he would make the impact he did otherwise why he hell was he behind Arteta & Flamini in the 1st place. We struck lucky & a lad we were happy to be loaning out last year because we didn't think was good enough for our 1st team is now one of the first names on the sheet. What about if he hadn't been able to get on the bench because we had bought a DM last summer & had kept Arteta & Flamini on the bench ahead of him. He may well have become a Brentford player by now. When we know we've had the best out of certain players & they cannot improve due to age - get rid.
I agree with you on Crowley but we are assessing him against the opposition he plays against. As per the situation with Coquelin this
Rosicky scored more goals than Jack this season and with less starts in the team. Jack scored 2, Rosicky scored 3 and I've already mentioned bow he adds to our passing game when involved. Jack has time on his side but you can't say Rosicky contributed nothing at all.
Coquelin should have been starting games early last season. Always thought he was ready but the fact that the manager didn't see what he could offer earlier is the real problem. Shipping out Arteta and trying bump players up the pecking order by shifting out the old won't guarantee a starting position. Ship Arteta out and we'd still have Flamini. Lose Flamini and Wenger is still prepared to give Chambers a chance in the midfield. Making the squad smaller isn't the solution it just creates another problem when we should be addressing the core problem.
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