Wenger Referendum IV

[Niall_Quinn]

Wenger's poisonous attitude summed up. We don't need the CL now because we get more money from elsewhere. Here it is, from his own trap.

'Because today the television money makes the weight of the television money much weaker but at the time it was absolutely needed so that was for me the biggest period of pressure between 2006 and 2014,'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...riod-life.html

It's all about the money with him. Has been for a long time (read that however you want to).

[Özim]

Adams was a great Captain. I still remember vividly Ray Parlour's otherwise excellent debut where he nearly burst into tears when giving away a penalty at Anfield. Adams was there for him, as he was there for Beckham against Argentina when the rest of the team, coaches and pretty much the entire nation turned against him.

However, his record as a coach and the general impression he gives, in no way suggests he has anything to offer in a coaching role.

Also, his first autobiography was as boring. Boring as shit. Too bad he has to pump this one up by throwing the man who guided him to unparalleled success towards the end of his career under the bus.

I remember that game, Parlour looked a reall energetic prospect but then gave away a penalty.

As for the other part, Adams/Bergkamp and co ensured unparalled success for Wenger, their leadership, discipline on the field was passed on from one team to another, once that was lost we've seen what happens, it wasn't a one way relationship. Adam/Bergkamp and co were successes before Wenger arrived.

At the end of the day he's entitled an opinion, lots of former players have come out and spoken about Wengers flaws, he's an incomplete manager who requires players to do important part of a managers job for him, he's more of an economist/football manager, which makes it ever stranger that he doesn't value leadership, he's a man who fails to acknowledge his limitations, arrogance of the highest order.

[Globalgunner]

I remember that game, Parlour looked a reall energetic prospect but then gave away a penalty.

As for the other part, Adams/Bergkamp and co ensured unparalled success for Wenger, their leadership, discipline on the field was passed on from one team to another, once that was lost we've seen what happens, it wasn't a one way relationship. Adam/Bergkamp and co were successes before Wenger arrived.

At the end of the day he's entitled an opinion, lots of former players have come out and spoken about Wengers flaws, he's an incomplete manager who requires players to do important part of a managers job for him, he's more of an economist/football manager, which makes it ever stranger that he doesn't value leadership, he's a man who fails to acknowledge his limitations, arrogance of the highest order.

Totally agree. Worse still he is addicted to power. Even now at almost 70 he cant see what time it is

[Xhaka Can’t]

OK. And I'm talking about what I see on here.

The last page of posts is why this place is so rubbish and decent debate is next to impossible. I have consistently said Wenger needs to go regardless of the Cup Final result. Said it before the game, said it since. He has failed to challenge for the biggest prizes and with our resources that isn't good enough. But wanting him out isn't enough now. because I think posts like this:



Are over the top, I now apparently think "Wenger has been scanning forums and Twitter". (Didn't say or imply that).
I "dive in and starts on anyone who says he should go." (No, all I said is things like the above are OTT which it clearly is)
I "stick [my] tongue right up Wenger's hole". (Not quite sure how saying posts like the above are OTT is doing that, but OK)
I'm "reverting to type" and am a "Wengerite". (I don't even know what that means).
And I'm a "Wenger worshipping twat". Again, I just said I think posts like the above are OTT.

I agree with HCZ that you're not going to get much high brow discourse on here...

When there is something approaching good discourse on here, you can be relied upon to come in and fuck it up.

[Letters]

When there is something approaching good discourse on here, you can be relied upon to come in and fuck it up.

Explain how. You think the things I've quoted above from other people are "good discourse"?

This discussion started when I was replying to a link PnG posted about which PnG said, in part. "He said he won't forget the way he's been treated and that it's a disgrace."
Maybe that wasn't the main point of PnG's post but the headline of the article was "Arsene Wenger: Arsenal manager describes criticism as 'a disgrace'" so I responded to that with my thoughts. Is that not legitimate? Why not? And then the responses were all the nonsense I quoted above. And I'm the one messing up "good discourse"?
Jog on, fella

[Niall_Quinn]

Explain how. You think the things I've quoted above from other people are "good discourse"?

This discussion started when I was replying to a link PnG posted about which PnG said, in part. "He said he won't forget the way he's been treated and that it's a disgrace."
Maybe that wasn't the main point of PnG's post but the headline of the article was "Arsene Wenger: Arsenal manager describes criticism as 'a disgrace'" so I responded to that with my thoughts. Is that not legitimate? Why not? And then the responses were all the nonsense I quoted above. And I'm the one messing up "good discourse"?
Jog on, fella

And then you quoted one of my GW posts as an example

[Letters]

Yes, because it's that sort of thing I was talking about. I seriously doubt he reads this place but equally I doubt he is oblivious to the howling derision on Social media.
I also said that if he's talking about the stuff in the ground then I don't think that is out of line.

[Niall_Quinn]

Yes, because it's that sort of thing I was talking about. I seriously doubt he reads this place but equally I doubt he is oblivious to the howling derision on Social media.
I also said that if he's talking about the stuff in the ground then I don't think that is out of line.

I don't think you know what the hell you are talking about.

But it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. I made a pratt of myself for laying into Bif just as he was assisting the winner in the FA Cup Final. You made a pratt of yourself with all this shit. Internet forum. Fan banter. That's how it goes.

You can be sure of one thing though. Wenger doesn't come within a million miles of the fans. He won't have a clue what the real sentiment is. He's seriously out there thinking we're ungrateful bastards and that we owe HIM. He really does. Just listen to him. Which is why I have no time at all for anyone who jumps on his pity train. He's lucky this is Arsenal. No other fanbase on the planet would put up with this shit, that's for sure.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I've just noticed a few occasions where you have disrupted a really good flowing discussion pointing out the least relevant part of people's posting and either completely taking it out of context or posting some dumbass smiley. We all do that sometimes but I've just noticed it more from you.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I'm certain he is staying but I really wish he would leave.

I also hope no one buys Adams book. His last one was as boring as shit and he has nothing to say that people are remotely interested so he decided to cash in by throwing the man who brought him more glory than he could ever hope for under the bus.

He may be an Arsenal legend, but he is also a cunt.