Wenger - In or out?

[Niall_Quinn]

Keown speaking today:

The most important thing for Wenger is for his teams to play football and be creative.

In 2006, I was asked to come and work at the club. I helped out Pat Rice when they did defending sessions.

There was one player who was making positional mistakes that were costing the team goals.

I wanted to flag up these mistakes to the player by showing him the footage but Wenger did not want him to see it.

In Wenger’s view, if a player sees himself making mistakes the problem becomes even bigger his mind.

That can be the case when you are discussing a technical aspect of a player’s game, such as passing.

But when the problem is positional and concerns a player’s body shape or angle of approach, it is worth going into detail and showing the player where he is going wrong.

I felt that by not addressing the situation, it would affect the player’s ability in the long term.

I don’t know whether things have changed now but Wenger is very protective of his players. He treats them like his sons.

But if players keep making the same mistakes, that will cost the team.

[Özim]

Keown speaking today:

Wenger is a control freak shocker and fails to disipline or blame players for their mistakes, it's proven this doesn't work.

He's clueless, the last decade has shown that, honestly the stuff people say about him is unbelievable a truly rubbish manager.

How this guy forged a career at the top level with so many glaring weaknesses, I'll never know.

[Penguin]

And people wonder why our players keep making the same mistakes over and over again.

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

Wenger is a control freak shocker and fails to disipline or blame players for their mistakes, it's proven this doesn't work.

He's clueless, the last decade has shown that, honestly the stuff people say about him is unbelievable a truly rubbish manager.

How this guy forged a career at the top level with so many glaring weaknesses, I'll never know.

The truth is this never needed to get this bad.

I wonder how different things would have been if all of us (99% of fans, the board) had really just seen our manager as an employee first and then worshipped him as a god later but the latter was the sole case.

Though this has been a good debate as posters have actually dissected his capabilities, no one has said anything new, I mean there is far more than a decade's worth of evidence to prove he has always had these glaring deficiencies.

Just think of countless technical errors and groundhog days especially in defending, the clockwork 70 minutes subs no matter how bad the game was going for us, our lack of a plan B- the only top team who couldn't maximise setpieces, corners or take a shot from outside the area to get that much needed goal. A lot of these things were evident pre-2006 and shit hit the fan when Graham's men and all the leaders were shipped to Siberia.

I mean let's look at 2006, our "god-manager" had failed to build on from the invincibles just like he failed to build on from his winning teams of 98 and 02. We had sold Viera, our captain our spine a year earlier just like we sold our best players like Anelka and Overmars earlier, and immediately failed to replace them with like for like (using Emirates as the ultimate excuse this time). We sacrificed all other competitions for the CL that year (which would soon become a pattern) and reached the final and put in a brave performance with one of the fiercest final matches ever. But again groundhog day would kick in the next season because unlike other truly great teams like Juventus and Bayern who would lose closely fought finals and be spurred to come back the next year to win it , we would go through the motions and get knocked out in the 2nd round by the mighty PSV at home (kindly note we faced Real Madrid in the same round the year before and knocked them out at the Bernebeau). As usual the poor result against PSV couldn't be coped with and we were soon going out of the FA cup and losing a league cup final.
I could go on and on but its getting painful remembering all the crap.

It's clear AW has been an employee doing an under par job for quite a long time but we his employers have made excuse after excuse for him instead of challenging him and setting him clear milestones and deadlines. Even if we couldn't tell him to win the CL despite having 19 times consecutively to do so, why couldn't we say win the league or be axed? I mean he had done it before and other top clubs like Chelsea, Real, Bayern, Barca, Juvenile regularly set their managers these kind of targets with no excuse allowed for failure. Chelsea have won the CL, Leicester have won the league, St Totteringhams day will become a thing of Myth.... what more do we need to react.... do we need Spurs winning the league in our stadium to wake us up?

AW is not a top class manager, it took us long enough but we all agree on that now. What worries me more is the spirit of this club, it's like we don't and haven't wanted to compete for a very long time. We could blame the board, but the honest truth is we fans haven't been much better ourselves this past decade.

[fakeyank]

We could blame the board, but the honest truth is we fans haven't been much better ourselves this past decade.

We fans need to get organized about boycotting the club. There are just too many who will keep going to matches, buying merchandise (I am guilty here) and supporting the crook (Wenger). We need the fans to boycott the matches. The stadium needs to look empty till things change. Watch the games at your local pub, but dont go to the stadium. If you end up going to the stadium, then make a stand that enough is enough.. take your banners about Kroenke, Gazidis, Wenger, sing your hearts out about these pests.

[GP]

Wenger in.

edit: a coffin

[Mac76]

We fans need to get organized about boycotting the club. There are just too many who will keep going to matches, buying merchandise (I am guilty here) and supporting the crook (Wenger). We need the fans to boycott the matches. The stadium needs to look empty till things change. .

I agree - I normally go to a few league matches, but am not going tat the moment as i'm just so sick of Wenger - the only games i'm thinking about are the no-hopa cup just to see different teams from abroad and they're actaully quite cheap tickets if you go right at the back...

[Niall_Quinn]

Wenger is very busy talking to beIN Sports these days. I guess he needs the extra cash.

Today he has confirmed Mbappe can be the new Pele. The player has great charisma and attitude, according to the French guru. Makes you wonder why he passed up the new Pele with his great charisma and attitude when he had the chance to sign him for relative peanuts. Guess it's more profitable to leave the transfers to others and then scoop up cash for chucking your opinions around.

[rodders]

If he really cared for Arsenal he should have joined Man U and reduced them to the state we are in now.

[Cripps]

Wenger in.