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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Overmars View Post
    I believe he’s over coached them and neutered any natural game they once had..
    i agree, if you look at Odegaard, he started with us looking really fresh and able to create things but he's now been completely neutered and that has to be Arteta micro-managing him into a box

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    Quote Originally Posted by Globalgunner View Post
    If there is any truth in the rumour that Zidane is looking for a new challenge. Our owners should step up and sell him the dream. We are certainly a challenge
    i'm not such a fan - if people are going to say it's easy for Pep to do well at Citeh and Barca, doesn't the same apply to Zidane at Real?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE View Post
    Poetic justice at play.....at least for Emery anyway and probably every other serious football nut.

    To think we had a considerable amount of people who felt the "great white hope" Arteta should have been picked over Emery in the first instance......I wish someone could dig up the threads lol.

    Anyway, like I said earlier, what should bother everyone is that both Emery and Arteta, were the first 2 on the list of a board/owners who had ages to plan for AW's replacement....
    at a time when serious coaches like Allegri, Anceloti, Benitez and
    Rodgers were all available (at least their quality experience could have been used as some sort of stop gap).

    it seems the predictions of the so called doomist fans keep falling in place:

    We stop ever being serious contenders for the title in 2007.

    We slip out of AW's imaginary top 4 trophy league in 2017.

    We slip out of the newly created compensatory top 6 league in 2020.

    And now we are not even able to qualify for any form of European football at all!!

    In fact when was the last St.Totteringham's day??

    And with our demise being as slow and as painful to watch as democracy in a Middle eastern country......our wise "custodians" decide that the only way to stop this slippery slope and secure our heritage is to join a league where we will never have to worry about the dirty word "competition" ever again!!

    At this rate, they were probably right on the last bit....


    I am genuinely worried for us right now for the exact reason you raise there: who do we trust to make the next appointment? Vinnai? A man who got grifted by a fake Chinese car company and didn’t have the integrity to resign after the ESL fiasco. Edu? a TD with worrying links to a super agent, who needs to share his role with a manager because he’s either not up to it or isn’t trusted. The board, aka Stan, Josh, Tim Lewis and Lord Harris? Because that’s it - that right there is the entire leadership structure of this club! And if KSE are genuinely considering selling then they’re not going to give any kind of shit about fixing it. Terrifying.

    Honestly, I’d love to believe that we’ve been planning ahead for this, and already have a carefully considered list of candidates drawn up, but I think we all know that the approach to finding a new coach is going to be to pick up the phone to as many agents as possible and see who they can send us.

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    No doubt Arteta will be in charge in next season. I don’t even think he’s under any pressure or being held to account if I’m honest. That speaks volumes to the absolute mess at executive level.

    I suspect next season will be make or break for him with the fans back, he’s been very lucky to avoid that heat from the fans. I imagine he will be gone by Christmas if it’s a repeat of this seasons start.

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    I don’t see much prospect of a coaching change until fans are back in numbers.

    When they are, it will get very ugly because the only change we are likely to see will be that forced by the fan base.
    If you don’t send this signature to ten people, you will become a Spurs fan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac76 View Post
    i agree, if you look at Odegaard, he started with us looking really fresh and able to create things but he's now been completely neutered and that has to be Arteta micro-managing him into a box
    100% he overthinks things. You can hear it with some of the things he says, like a couple of days ago when he suggested that Martinelli works better with a passer like Xhaka behind him at LB?! Sure, if you have a clever runner and potential goal-scorer like Martinelli, then supply will be an advantage, but you can’t allow your thinking to become so siloed that that’s the only option you see. And I think he does that a lot - he’s so focussed on combination-play that he’s become a little obsessed with complimentary pairings, and ends up constantly tinkering with the side to adapt to absentees...

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    I wonder if the club are quickly rethinking their stance on allowing 10k fans back for hte final game of the season.

    Could be a bloodbath

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    It starts at the very top, with Stan and family in charge there will be no accountability for the employees below them, they (Stan & Co) simply don't and won't give a shit unless the club starts losing money.
    The team selection, tactics and performance are a reflection of the manager. We all saw what happened last night, the players don't appear to believe in what Arteta's trying to do and the performance highlighted that.
    I like Arteta as a person but it was a massive risk taking on a manager who had never managed any team, never mind a club like Arsenal.
    Where this will all end I have no idea, what I do know is that unless Arsenal is owned by someone who actually cares for what Arsenal stands for as a club, it's ambitions and it's fan then nothing will change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Overmars View Post
    No doubt Arteta will be in charge in next season. I don’t even think he’s under any pressure or being held to account if I’m honest. That speaks volumes to the absolute mess at executive level.

    I suspect next season will be make or break for him with the fans back, he’s been very lucky to avoid that heat from the fans. I imagine he will be gone by Christmas if it’s a repeat of this seasons start.
    The executive structure should be CEO (Vinnai) > Technical Director (Edu) > Manager (Arteta), but can you honestly see Vinnai or Edu standing up to Arteta? He's clearly the dominant voice out of the three. The first moves we make have to be upgrading those first two - until we have someone competent at the top any manager we bring in will be totally free to call the shots with no standards, accountability or opposition.

    If Arteta survives the summer then the start of next season is going to be really ugly. Anything less than a fast start and the fans will be on him straightaway, and, given the sheer number of personnel changes we're looking at, that fast start seems massively unlikely...

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