Non home grown

[selassie]

In the end it's not about Gunnersaurus, is it? It's about a football club that's pretty grimy and has lost touch with the fans so, as you say yourself, it can submerge itself in the wider financial sewer for the benefit of the few. I can't say that applies to every club, I don't know. I suspect it does. All I can do it remark on how grubby Arsenal Football Club is. In general. On ALL matters.

This is supposed to be sport. Our escape from all that other shit. Naive, maybe, but it doesn't clean any hands.

If it’s about ALL matters related to Arsenal why not go and support another team that satisfies your morals?

[Mac76]

If it’s about ALL matters related to Arsenal why not go and support another team that satisfies your morals?

Millwall?

[Niall_Quinn]

If it’s about ALL matters related to Arsenal why not go and support another team that satisfies your morals?

Support another team? Why? I can barely bring myself to follow along with what's happening at a club I've supported to varying degrees for decades. What could I hope to find by starting again elsewhere, given the trajectory of football? Maybe a club down at the very grass roots? It's possible. But then the Covid shit. The game's dead really. For the fans at least. Players are all mostly shit, most of them can't kick a ball. Governing bodies are milking it to the most ludicrous degree. Greedy pigs in the boardrooms. Merchandising, more focus on international fan markets than the local area. Players jumping ship every 5 minutes. Screaming headlines, flashing graphics - when nothing has happened at all. Cheating as a virtue. Loyalty for a price.

You MIGHT get an odd moment once or twice in maybe a month of football where something happens on the pitch and it grabs your attention. Provides entertainment. Different if you are into it to a professional level I suppose, it might be fun then to be watching shape, triangles, pressing, blah. But managers like Pep turned all that shit into a modern art form that doesn't look anything like entertainment for the average fan. Boring. Expensive. Culturally and traditionally adrift. Tribally bereft. Brash, swirling, spinning, empty shell.

It's what becomes of excellence and passion and endeavour and competition when a bunch of leeches descend with their nest and rot a thing inside out. When results are measured on balance sheets. All that's left is inertia and a residue made up of a billion fans' loyalty once it has been squeezed and desiccated.

Then there are days when I really don't like the game at all. It comes from remembering what the game was and comparing it to what it is. Am I wrong?

For a younger fan, I can get why this may not be the case. It's about perception. If you were never aware of what something was then you might be able to accept and even enjoy what it has become. You say it's the world in general and you are probably right, which is sadder on a grand scale. Or, it could me me getting older and cynical. Trouble is, on those rare occasions when a football match somehow escapes its shroud I can still recognise it and enjoy it. Very rare though. Like a ghost.

[Özim]

Gunnersaurus was made redundant, not sacked, there is a difference. Are you privy to the redundancy pay out he got? I am certainly not and it's why I have not joined in with the "Arsenal are so mean getting rid of people like this", moreover, they have released him temporarily until the COVID situation is sorted out...

https://metro.co.uk/2020/10/11/paul-...urus-13403985/

The decision isn't ridiculous and why you and others are comparing us temporarily relieving the club mascot against signing a new player is beyond me. What do you suggest we do? Not invest in the team? Would you be happy with that if it meant we kept on certain staff paying them wages to sit at home? I don't even understand why they are linked...it makes no sense.

The point I was making about Arteta is admiring the work he has done so far given the difficult circumstances that have surrounded him taking on his first ever managerial job, money again has nothing to do with it. It's the personal circumstances and decisions he has made that I admire.

I don't admire the financial side of football at all so I get where you are coming from with that, but I also don't admire the financial side of many things these days so I term it as a problem with society, capitalism, everything has a price.

Yes naturally because he did nothing wrong, that may be true but we do also know Arsenal are not exactly generous when it comes to money, it's now a ruthless business that seems to care about one thing, not the fans, not what happens on the pitch, just how much money can be made, so I personally doubt he got anything more than he was entitled to, certainly not the 2 years you mention, especially as they're clearly trying to cut costs

Treating your employees and being successful are not mutually exclusive, you can do both and certainly for someone who has worked here for 27 years it's morally the right thing to do, as for bringing him back, well I think that only came out once Ozil offered to pay his wages and made Arsenal look even worse than they did so for me it's an afterthought.

As for the money spent on transfers, it's all the same, if we have 45 million for transfers we certainly have 30k or whatever it is to suppose a long standing employee who has been loyal. As I said we're owned by a billionaire and it's a drop in the ocean for him, the damage he's done to him and the club is far worse than the salary they've saved, a mere tiny fraction of what the playing staff and manager etc earn.

You can look at it however you like, but IMO, it's plain wrong and just reflects terribly on the club, a club that many fans already think has just one focus.

[Mac76]

Yes naturally because he did nothing wrong, that may be true but we do also know Arsenal are not exactly generous when it comes to money, it's now a ruthless business that seems to care about one thing, not the fans, not what happens on the pitch, just how much money can be made, so I personally doubt he got anything more than he was entitled to, certainly not the 2 years you mention, especially as they're clearly trying to cut costs

Treating your employees and being successful are not mutually exclusive, you can do both and certainly for someone who has worked here for 27 years it's morally the right thing to do, as for bringing him back, well I think that only came out once Ozil offered to pay his wages and made Arsenal look even worse than they did so for me it's an afterthought.

As for the money spent on transfers, it's all the same, if we have 45 million for transfers we certainly have 30k or whatever it is to suppose a long standing employee who has been loyal. As I said we're owned by a billionaire and it's a drop in the ocean for him, the damage he's done to him and the club is far worse than the salary they've saved, a mere tiny fraction of what the playing staff and manager etc earn.

You can look at it however you like, but IMO, it's plain wrong and just reflects terribly on the club, a club that many fans already think has just one focus.

[selassie]

Millwall?

[selassie]

Yes naturally because he did nothing wrong, that may be true but we do also know Arsenal are not exactly generous when it comes to money, it's now a ruthless business that seems to care about one thing, not the fans, not what happens on the pitch, just how much money can be made, so I personally doubt he got anything more than he was entitled to, certainly not the 2 years you mention, especially as they're clearly trying to cut costs

Treating your employees and being successful are not mutually exclusive, you can do both and certainly for someone who has worked here for 27 years it's morally the right thing to do, as for bringing him back, well I think that only came out once Ozil offered to pay his wages and made Arsenal look even worse than they did so for me it's an afterthought.

As for the money spent on transfers, it's all the same, if we have 45 million for transfers we certainly have 30k or whatever it is to suppose a long standing employee who has been loyal. As I said we're owned by a billionaire and it's a drop in the ocean for him, the damage he's done to him and the club is far worse than the salary they've saved, a mere tiny fraction of what the playing staff and manager etc earn.

You can look at it however you like, but IMO, it's plain wrong and just reflects terribly on the club, a club that many fans already think has just one focus.

We know nothing of Arsenal's finances and what they do or do not give their staff, if you know please share the facts?

As I said in response to Letters's post we do not know what kind of financial severance package Gunnersaurus was given! All you are doing is speculating and you do not have one bit of factual evidence to support what you are stating.

You use the example of the transfer and then state about 30k for Gunnersaurus, for all we know Arsenal may have paid him off 100K! We don't know...so to complain from the rooftops about a situation you are not privy to is plain weird!

It's quite telling how quiet Gunnersaurus has been, maybe he his happy with his severance package considering Arsenal stated that he will be re-employed once things are back to normal!

My point about Gunnersaurus is based around the fact that certain posters on here and people in the media are jumping up and down about a redundancy, temporary one at that without knowing the true facts at hand. Does anybody know what kind of financial severance package Gunnersaurus was given? I certainly don't and without these facts I think it's ignorant to jump up and down and point fingers.


The reason I have said the above is because a few of my friends were made redundant through COVID 19 but were given financial severance packages that equated to almost 2 years salaries with the maximum allowed tax free lump sum. I am not saying Arsenal did this with Gunnersaurus, but we just don't know, it's ignorant to start spouting without the details. The redundancy severance package he was given may well have been way above any furlough payment he would receive if he was kept on!


Not only that, but most of the articles relating to Arsenal temporarily relieving him of his duties, have been reported as that he was Sacked! He wasn't sacked! How ignorant can some people be, read the articles from the Athletic or the Guardian and it clearly states the situation in detail regarding relieving him of his duties. Arsenal have even said that it's a temporary measure and he will be back when things get back to normal...whatever normal will be in the future.


Also furlough scheme is not really an option for players at premier league clubs due to their high wages, see article below;


https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/can-...h13l9hy1zmbk6n


I think the optics of making Gunnersaurus redundant on the same day as activating Partey's release clause for the reasons i've given above are not linked and are irrelevant given nobody knows what kind of severance package Gunnersaurs was given. Gunnersaurus may actually be finanically better off now! So all this talk of disillusionment may be a waste of time given we do not know the financials behind the redundancies!


I also think Mesut Ozil's pathetic cheap shot at the club via Instagram regarding offering to pay Gunnersaurus's wages exposed Mesut for the complete tosser he is. This is a man who refused to take a paycut when all the other members of the team did, most of the other team members are on a quarter or less than what he earns. Not only that, but he happily picked up his 8million bonus in the midst of sitting at home doing sweet FA. Yet people still fell hook line and sinker for it, Ozil is a thief, a conman, he is the one we should be disillusioned with!

[selassie]

Support another team? Why? I can barely bring myself to follow along with what's happening at a club I've supported to varying degrees for decades. What could I hope to find by starting again elsewhere, given the trajectory of football? Maybe a club down at the very grass roots? It's possible. But then the Covid shit. The game's dead really. For the fans at least. Players are all mostly shit, most of them can't kick a ball. Governing bodies are milking it to the most ludicrous degree. Greedy pigs in the boardrooms. Merchandising, more focus on international fan markets than the local area. Players jumping ship every 5 minutes. Screaming headlines, flashing graphics - when nothing has happened at all. Cheating as a virtue. Loyalty for a price.

You MIGHT get an odd moment once or twice in maybe a month of football where something happens on the pitch and it grabs your attention. Provides entertainment. Different if you are into it to a professional level I suppose, it might be fun then to be watching shape, triangles, pressing, blah. But managers like Pep turned all that shit into a modern art form that doesn't look anything like entertainment for the average fan. Boring. Expensive. Culturally and traditionally adrift. Tribally bereft. Brash, swirling, spinning, empty shell.

It's what becomes of excellence and passion and endeavour and competition when a bunch of leeches descend with their nest and rot a thing inside out. When results are measured on balance sheets. All that's left is inertia and a residue made up of a billion fans' loyalty once it has been squeezed and desiccated.

Then there are days when I really don't like the game at all. It comes from remembering what the game was and comparing it to what it is. Am I wrong?

For a younger fan, I can get why this may not be the case. It's about perception. If you were never aware of what something was then you might be able to accept and even enjoy what it has become. You say it's the world in general and you are probably right, which is sadder on a grand scale. Or, it could me me getting older and cynical. Trouble is, on those rare occasions when a football match somehow escapes its shroud I can still recognise it and enjoy it. Very rare though. Like a ghost.

I understand your point, but.....football / society in general has changed and for the worse IMO. Highlighting small points among the shit show of what happens today is kind of fruitless IMO.

We could complain all day every day about a multitude of things.

[Niall_Quinn]

I understand your point, but.....football / society in general has changed and for the worse IMO. Highlighting small points among the shit show of what happens today is kind of fruitless IMO.

We could complain all day every day about a multitude of things.

I do

[selassie]

I do

I've noticed