Wenger Slaughterhouse

[Özim]

You don't understand what's being said. Nobody said it's impossible to be motivated if you are well paid. I said it's a hell of a lot easier to be motivated when life is not served out on a plate. I'm talking about super high salary players not being able to pass a ball. Or put in a cross. What do they have to lose by not going the extra mile these days? Fuck all, they have already made it for life by the time they hit their twenties. The old argument of football being a short career with the earnings having to last a lifetime is dead and buried, some of them can set themselves up for life in a single season.

Why aren't they running through brick walls any more? Why do they feel it is acceptable to serve up shite? Okay, if the manager gets it wrong then that makes it harder. Of course it does. But the initial debate in this thread was discussing just the board and just the manager. I think players should get roped into the analysis too. Fucking Sagna - the guy can't cross a ball to save his life. WHY NOT? Why can't he do that? It's not acceptable. No manager and no board can legislate for that level of shitness in a key area of the game. And you could single out any of them and wonder the same.

Why does the team falter when the pressure is on? Simply because of the manager and that's it? Do you think he drills them in how to collapse? How to drop their heads when the battle heats up? Odd he didn't have that problem in years gone. We say that's because we had leaders on the pitch, players of character. So what happened to the leaders? What happened to the characters? Why have they disappeared? Because of Wenger? That's it? 100%? I don't think so.

Everything you describe here can be sorted out by a top class manager, motivation, work rate, crossing, passing etc

Some players would have to be moved on as they're not good enough, but others could improve a lot with proper training, as for motivation much of that comes from the way the manager handles players.

If a player can't do something well, then you get him to practice a lot and he'll improve....our training/coaching is sh*t as has been shown in recent years.

[fakeyank]

Everything you describe here can be sorted out by a top class manager, motivation, work rate, crossing, passing etc

Some players would have to be moved on as they're not good enough, but others could improve a lot with proper training, as for motivation much of that comes from the way the manager handles players.

If a player can't do something well, then you get him to practice a lot and he'll improve....our training/coaching is sh*t as has been shown in recent years.

[Gervinho's Forehead]

FUCK OFF ARSENE YOU'RE RUINING US!!!

[Olivier's xmas twist]

FUCK OFF ARSENE YOU'RE RUINING US!!!

The guy looks ill. Just hop he don't damage his health tbh. Even his post match interview seemd flat. Personally i think he'll step down at the end of the season, you can start to see the signs tbh.

Hope he does the right thing tbh, He needs the rest.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

You don't understand what's being said. Nobody said it's impossible to be motivated if you are well paid. I said it's a hell of a lot easier to be motivated when life is not served out on a plate. I'm talking about super high salary players not being able to pass a ball. Or put in a cross. What do they have to lose by not going the extra mile these days? Fuck all, they have already made it for life by the time they hit their twenties. The old argument of football being a short career with the earnings having to last a lifetime is dead and buried, some of them can set themselves up for life in a single season.

Why aren't they running through brick walls any more? Why do they feel it is acceptable to serve up shite? Okay, if the manager gets it wrong then that makes it harder. Of course it does. But the initial debate in this thread was discussing just the board and just the manager. I think players should get roped into the analysis too. Fucking Sagna - the guy can't cross a ball to save his life. WHY NOT? Why can't he do that? It's not acceptable. No manager and no board can legislate for that level of shitness in a key area of the game. And you could single out any of them and wonder the same.

Why does the team falter when the pressure is on? Simply because of the manager and that's it? Do you think he drills them in how to collapse? How to drop their heads when the battle heats up? Odd he didn't have that problem in years gone. We say that's because we had leaders on the pitch, players of character. So what happened to the leaders? What happened to the characters? Why have they disappeared? Because of Wenger? That's it? 100%? I don't think so.

Spot on

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Because I didn't say the players were devoid of motivation. I said motivation is easier to come by when life isn't handed to you on a plate. And yes, it's a generalisation, you have to generalise when talking about football as a whole. Naturally there will be variation on an individual level, but I still wonder why a £50k player finds it so hard to pass a ball or pit in a cross, fight when the going gets tough.

Spot on. Seems like Footie is just a kick about to them, how they treat it.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Everything you describe here can be sorted out by a top class manager, motivation, work rate, crossing, passing etc

Some players would have to be moved on as they're not good enough, but others could improve a lot with proper training, as for motivation much of that comes from the way the manager handles players.

If a player can't do something well, then you get him to practice a lot and he'll improve....our training/coaching is sh*t as has been shown in recent years.

Not even the best manager in the world could make this squad look world class, full of too much rubbish. Not even Jose or fergie good as they are could coach the shitness out of some and the lazyness out of the others.

[Özim]

Not even the best manager in the world could make this squad look world class, full of too much rubbish. Not even Jose or fergie good as they are could coach the shitness out of some and the lazyness out of the others.

Not world class, but he'd get rid of the dead wood and coach the others in the art of playing football as a team....and maybe get them to learn some of the basics.

The problems we have are due to poor signings, blind faith, poor coaching/training regimes, poor tactics and a manager unwilling to change anything for the good. A decent manager could get a whole lot more out of this team by making some basic changes.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Not world class, but he'd get rid of the dead wood and coach the others in the art of playing football as a team....and maybe get them to learn some of the basics.

The problems we have are due to poor signings, blind faith, poor coaching/training regimes, poor tactics and a manager unwilling to change anything for the good. A decent manager could get a whole lot more out of this team by making some basic changes.

Sorry i thought you meant they'd get the best out of this sqaud. I agree with this post.

[-Xs-]

If the players are at fault, it's still Wenger who bought the players.

For example, if someone can't cross/pass/shoot/tackle, why did Wenger buy them in the first place? Surely he must have had the guy scouted for more than 5 mins before deciding to buy them. If he was a rough diamond with the view to getting his ability up to scratch by training, then why isn't it there yet? How much is poor coaching? How much is poor quality? How much is poor management to fail to realize that a player isn't making the grade after 3,4,5 years+ and should be moved on rather than offered a new contract?

Blame the players for being shit all you want, ultimately, its Wengers players, and the buck stops with him.