Wenger Slaughterhouse

[Power n Glory]

We had strong enough team to beat Birmingham in the Carling Cup final. On paper, that team should have won easily but we didn't. The mentality of the team is weak, we buckle under pressure, don't defend as a unit and leak a lot of goals. We need stability in our squad but players won't stick around when key problems go unresolved.

[Özim]

Without doubt, the manager has made mistakes too. I accept that, and I am angered by that too.

I've always said that some of the youth could have done with quality back-up/experience to help us along.

But I wasn't talking about that.

I was talking about players jumping ship, when it's quite obvious there was a good side forming. I think Syn may have summed it up better than I, but please don't use this as another way to bash the manager. There have been players there, big enough and ugly enough to have repoaid some of the faith (blind in some cases) the manager showed in them. And that is why he is frustrated....

I mean come on. Even you have to admit that, on paper at least, that first 11 is pretty bloody good.
Personally I think that team needed another finisher, someone with some leadership and a tackler in midfield (better on than Song).

It's not just 11 players though, we get an abnormal amount of injuries (it's not coincidence anymore), so the players that come in need to be able to do a good job. From what I've seen they either haven't or we haven't had proper cover for some positions....we've taken the cheap option like Squillaci and Silvestre for example.

Our lack of real leaders in the team has always concerned me though, when the going gets tough you need a few players who will get stuck in and steer the ship, what we've seen repeatedly is calamitous collapses and we've had nothing to reverse these.

Title winning teams also need a good defence, I don't think we've ever had, be it because we didn't play as a group or because we couldn't deal with aerial threats, or even because we didn't cover for players who went forward...the fact is the defence has never been good enough.

[Ollie the Optimist]

But there was a team that could win trophies forming right there in front of them. I mean, look at the side we could have had without anyone leaving:

Schhkjdsb/a

Sagna Kos Verms Clichy

Song

Nasri Cesc

Walcott RVP Arshavin


People talk about ambition, but those players there, should have won us a trophy.

All of them say Wenger is a genius. So it can't be that.

So what is it?

then look at the subs, arteta, merts, oxlade, rosicky, ramsey, jack etc. thats a very good squad. we really are on the verge of something special but in two seasons are best players have fucked off.

take last season, a good team who fight to win, they didnt give up, and got third. an improvment, we then made two great signings imo and by accounts not finished yet. yet two statements damage that badly, split the fans etc. from two people who supposdly love the club

[Ollie the Optimist]

We had strong enough team to beat Birmingham in the Carling Cup final. On paper, that team should have won easily but we didn't. The mentality of the team is weak, we buckle under pressure, don't defend as a unit and leak a lot of goals. We need stability in our squad but players won't stick around when key problems go unresolved.


on paper, man city should have hammered us, they didnt, spurs should have finished above us, chelsea should have hammered us. but they didnt, we improved because we built a team who cared. its been undone now by two statements.

[LDG]

We had strong enough team to beat Birmingham in the Carling Cup final. On paper, that team should have won easily but we didn't. The mentality of the team is weak, we buckle under pressure, don't defend as a unit and leak a lot of goals. We need stability in our squad but players won't stick around when key problems go unresolved.

Just like the first two lines of my post said.

Do you not think they might resolve quicker of half the team stuck around to work on it?

But no. It's not about building sides anymore. It's about buying them from a supermarket.

Nobody is saying Wenger deserves no blame. What I am sympathetic to, however, is that he has tried (and ultimately failed) to put a team together, which was supposed to grow together. The quality was there to do that. The means, and perhaps will from the players was not.

The players took the easy way IMO.

[Power n Glory]

on paper, man city should have hammered us, they didnt, spurs should have finished above us, chelsea should have hammered us. but they didnt, we improved because we built a team who cared. its been undone now by two statements.

We've always pulled off big results. Point being, you can't look at our squad and say if we'd have stuck together we'd have eventually won a title. If you can't defend and give teams too much time on the ball without pressing, you will get punished. Our defence record and off the ball movement hasn't improved. It needs addressing before we can talk about winning titles.

[Özim]

Just like the first two lines of my post said.

Do you not think they might resolve quicker of half the team stuck around to work on it?

But no. It's not about building sides anymore. It's about buying them from a supermarket.

Nobody is saying Wenger deserves no blame. What I am sympathetic to, however, is that he has tried (and ultimately failed) to put a team together, which was supposed to grow together. The quality was there to do that. The means, and perhaps will from the players was not.

The players took the easy way IMO.
You say this however many of our players have made repeated calls for us to sign some quality (this has been happening many years), we haven't. I've lost count the amount of times the transfer window has been open and we've failed to sign what we needed.

If you want players to believe then you have to show you're progressing, not that you're just hoping things will turn out well because you think they will.

[Power n Glory]

You say this however many of our players have made repeated calls for us to sign some quality (this has been happening many years), we haven't. I've lost count the amount of times the transfer window has been open and we've failed to sign what we needed.

If you want players to believe then you have to show you're progressing, not that you're just hoping things will turn out well because you think they will.

And that's just on the transfer market. We don't train our players to play a more pressing game. We don't study the opposition players enough either. That's part of the reason why players aren't happy either.

[LDG]

You say this however many of our players have made repeated calls for us to sign some quality (this has been happening many years), we haven't. I've lost count the amount of times the transfer window has been open and we've failed to sign what we needed.

If you want players to believe then you have to show you're progressing, not that you're just hoping things will turn out well because you think they will.

:banghead:

I've just said, we didn't add back-up / experience, and that is Wenger's fault. It's there in my post.

But the point still remains. If the players stuck it out together, rather than all leaving one by one each season, we wouldn't have to keep chopping and changing.

If Cesc and Nasri had stayed, I would be assuming that RVP would not be going. It's all cause and effect, and that is the frustrating thing, because without Wenger, you don't have these money-grabbing ****s in the first place!

[Özim]

:banghead:

I've just said, we didn't add back-up / experience, and that is Wenger's fault. It's there in my post.

But the point still remains. If the players stuck it out together, rather than all leaving one by one each season, we wouldn't have to keep chopping and changing.

If Cesc and Nasri had stayed, I would be assuming that RVP would not be going. It's all cause and effect, and that is the frustrating thing, because without Wenger, you don't have these money-grabbing ****s in the first place!
I'm not talking backup/experience I'm talking quality....we needed quality players to rely on we never got them.

They left because they didn't believe and had opportunities to go somewhere offering a far better chance of success, Cesc was here for years and never won anything, I think we saw in his body language how disappointed he was when we once again collapsed.

The transfer market has long been a problem with us, we collapse so players expect changes to be made and quality to be brought in, we fail to and so the cycle continues.....eventually the players realise nothing will change and leave.

I don't think we show enough ambition, I've long said this and maintain it, a manager's job is also to convince players that we're moving forward and are doing everything possible to achieve success, it's clear the manager is no longer able to do so, after 7 years maybe it just sounds like a broken record to them.

[LDG]

Meh.

I do agree to an extent. But it would be nice to see players with more loyalty. I guess that's a thing of the past now.

Though, Giroud and Podolski is pretty good start. Let's hope there's more on the way.

[Globalgunner]

And that's just on the transfer market. We don't train our players to play a more pressing game. We don't study the opposition players enough either. That's part of the reason why players aren't happy either.

Wenger is the weak link in all our teams, always has been. The strength of character we had came from the individuals we had in years past the Vieiras, Adams, Keowns, even Gilberto. After these left in 2004 we replaced them with possibly more talented individuals but that lacked the battling charcter that makes talent overpower obdurate mediocrity. The person with the strongest mentality in a team HAS to be the manager, next is the captain. What we have instead is an idealist, who never scouts the opposition, at least not in person, maybe he considers this infradig. When the going has got tough, we have always been found lacking. Idealism never wins wars, bloody mindness more often does.

How many times have you seen the water bottle take a hit on our bench in recent times. Instead of berating the players who casually watch the opposition charge into our box, he starts railing at the officials. If Bould cannot make the difference, then we have no hope until Wenger leaves.

For all us fans besotted optimism from the sidelines, the players know whats wrong, some of them even know that THEY are party of the problem, but when the manager never calls them out on it, they can merge with the critics and proclaim the fault lies elsewhere. Clichy is a recent example, he is still as error prone as before, but has improved no end his mental aspects since leaving us, He will rather foul a player than let him go beyond him, whereas with us he would just pass the player on to the CB`s. We cannot deny the facts staring us in the face. We will continue to be a good team, but i doubt we will achieve GREAT things with this man at the helm. RVP knows it Cesc, Nasri, et al knew it too.

[Power n Glory]

Meh.

I do agree to an extent. But it would be nice to see players with more loyalty. I guess that's a thing of the past now.

Though, Giroud and Podolski is pretty good start. Let's hope there's more on the way.

RVP and Cesc have been with the club longer than some of the Invincibles. I think they've been patient enough.

[LDG]

RVP and Cesc have been with the club longer than some of the Invincibles. I think they've been patient enough.

Meh.

[Letters]

Success isn't as simple as sticking 11 good players on the pitch, there's a lot more to it....including making sure the balance of the team is right and the players can play together, tactics, motivation etc etc

None of Wenger's teams post 2005 have been cohesive enough, defensively often suspect and wasteful up front, he's always focussed far too much on the passing side and the midfield (which has also lacked steel).

Why would players leave to achieve success....well it's simple after seeing him fail to deliver in 7 years it's not hard to see why players don't believe anymore, we've seen the same pattern pretty much every season with no real signs of it changing.

Sure they say Wenger is a great man etc etc and he is to them as we've seen he treats his players unbelievably well, but I think they know that on the pitch he's not quite able to deliver anymore, his ideals are now more important than success and the club won't invest enough on quality players.
I agree with a lot of that (apart from "I think they know that on the pitch he's not quite able to deliver anymore", that's the player's job).
The first paragraph, you're right but when you can do what City have done and assemble a squad THAT good and so big as to render injuries and fatigue irrelevant in terms of the strength of team you can put out then it gets you most of the way.
Chelsea won two trophies last season. Well done them but when you can have a player who cost you £50m sat on your bench, and another who cost over £20m, then it has to help. We can and should do more to compete but we can't throw money around like those teams.

[Syn]

RVP and Cesc have been with the club longer than some of the Invincibles. I think they've been patient enough.

If they contributed enough towards being title-winners for most of their spell here and were constantly let down in a big way by others, then I would feel the same way as you. While there will be worse and better players in every squad, only 2009/10 for Fabregas and half of 2010/11 + 2011/12 for Van Persie did I feel those players deserved to be a part of a successful team but were being let down by others at the club. Lets not even start on Nasri.

[Letters]

Tbh I don't entirely blame RvP for leaving.
He was, at times, the only think keeping us from mid-table last season and I can understand his frustration if he feels the club aren't doing enough to help him out. That said, we do seem to be doing the right things this summer. I'd love to know what was said at the meeting between him and Wenger/the board.

[GP]

Tbh I don't entirely blame RvP for leaving.
He was, at times, the only think keeping us from mid-table last season and I can understand his frustration if he feels the club aren't doing enough to help him out. That said, we do seem to be doing the right things this summer. I'd love to know what was said at the meeting between him and Wenger/the board.

RvP: 'Pay me £250k
Board: 'fuck off'
RvP : 'Ok'

[Letters]

RvP: 'Pay me £250k
Board: 'fuck off'
RvP : 'Ok'

:lol:

Probably. If so: our board :bow:

[Özim]

I was pretty convinced RVP may be on his way when I heard we'd signed Podolski to be honest, when Giroud's name cropped up as well I was even more so.

We'd never sign two strikers of this type (on the face of it seem pretty good) unless we were losing players, Wenger has long relied on one goalscorer up front and never showed any signs of getting another one in. In addition, if you wanted to keep RVP I think it's a strange move, you sign two forwards when he's a forward thus making it possible for him to lose his place.

Perhaps it might have been wiser to sign a forward and a few players in other positions (I'm not convinced we're going to add much more). I don't blame RVP for leaving, he's seen what's happened at the club for many years and is it really a surprise that after talking to Wenger and co (they probably came out with the same stuff about 2% away from domination, great team spirit and mental strength and signings aren't always the answer :lol:) that he thought maybe winning isn't their priority and that maybe his interests would be better served elsewhere (if he realistically wants to pick up a few medals before he retires).

There's a few angry people here who have gone from RVP fans to RVP haters in a split second which I find confusing. He didnt' betray the club, he gave his reasons for leaving and that's fair enough, the fans know for sure now which is better than what we had to go through last summer.

Let's hope we sell him soon and spend the money wisely, somehow I can see the club dragging this on all summer sadly. I think we need to bite the bullet and invest some cash now, bring a few fresh faces (not players like Chamakh, Silvestre, Squillaci etc) who can finally help us get somewhere.

[Letters]

I don't blame him for wanting to leave but the statement put paid to any hopes we had of getting decent money for him.
I'm a bit disappointed in him for that. Will be moreso if he goes to City but I think abroad is far more likely.

[Özim]

I don't blame him for wanting to leave but the statement put paid to any hopes we had of getting decent money for him.
I'm a bit disappointed in him for that. Will be moreso if he goes to City but I think abroad is far more likely.
You really think we were going to get top money when he hadn't signed a contract and has one year left?

Juve bid for him, 8 million was what they came in with, this gives you an idea of what other clubs think of the situation, they're not stupid they know that if he hasn't signed they can try and snap him up in a cut price deal.

As I said, if he intended to sign he would have done so a while ago, happy players don't hesitate to sign on the dotted line.

[Letters]

We might have got more had he kept his trap shut. Now clubs KNOW he's on the lookout we'll get less.
Even if clubs did basically know behind the scenes, him coming out and saying it so publicly doesn't look good.

It's not as simple as "happy player signs contract quickly" and "unhappy player refuses to". As always there are shades of grey. A player might well have concerns but decide to give it one more year before making a decision or love the club (as he says he does) and want to become a legend there as RvP would have been had he stayed. I'm sure winning medals will be nice but having your name sung long after you've left and being welcomed back with open arms by the club and fans would be nice too.

But yeah, we need to get this sorted sooner rather than later and make some more signings.

[Power n Glory]

He's approaching 30 and in the last year of his contract. We all know what that means when it comes to transfers. You're not going to get huge bids.

[The Ogg Monster]

He was one of the best strikers in the world last season, will get over £25m, def.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I resent those that suggest Arsene has far too much power.

http://i50.tinypic.com/t0mbn9.jpg

[Fist of Lehmann]

I resent those that suggest Arsene has far too much power.

http://i50.tinypic.com/t0mbn9.jpg

That curtain is crazy-ass scary.

Like if I was a communist dictator, this is how I would decorate the cafeteria.

[Letters]

:lol: Is that real?! 'Tis a bit sinister :unsure:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

It is scary stuff. Probably to dissuade them from eating chocolate bars.

And I hope it is real, I got it from the hospitality section of the Arsenal website. :haha:

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

http://www.arsenal.com/emirates-stadium/club-level-the-woolwich

:unsure:

I never realised how slick the Emirates was though.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

:haha:

He's everywhere. :bow:

[Xhaka Can’t]

:haha:

He's everywhere. :bow:

http://www.premiershipticketsonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Arsene-Wenger-2.jpg

[Cripps_orig]

Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger believes his side can still compete for the Premier League title despite not being able to match the financial power of their rivals.

The Gunners are currently experiencing a seven year drought following the 2005 FA Cup final win over Manchester United. The north London club have not experienced league success since 2004, a triumph which signified Wenger's seventh major honour since he joined the club in 1997.

However, since 2004 the likes of Chelsea and Manchester City have benefited from huge foreign investment which has left the Frenchman's side struggling to compete. Nevertheless, the former Monaco coach believes that Arsenal can still battle for the title this season, and believes the club can be proud of the way it is run.

He told Time Out Hong Kong: "Firstly, I must say that not being able to match the spending of the richest clubs does not mean that you can't compete with them on the pitch.

"When I first came to England, this question did not exist. Every club was run within its resources.

"The Chelsea's and the Man City's are new problems. But with this new financial environment, what has not changed at all is our policy that we will be as ambitious as ever and spend the money that we have available, if possible in an intelligent and wise way.

"We have always spent money because we are ambitious for top-class players and if you look at the history of our last 15 years, we have always had top-class players.

"It does not mean you can't win the title if you can't compete financially.

"To spend the money on a top player is defendable. But just to spend the money is like you are worried.

"Our fans can be proud of the way we run this club, of the quality of the players we have and of the financial situation that is existing at the club.

"Rather than convicting this club, they have more reason to be proud of the whole situation here.

"We have built a team and a stadium in such a short space of time, and have a strong financial situation - and we have always survived at the top level."

The 62-year-old feels the introduction of Financial Fair Play rules may be pivotal in the club's future success, believing that if they are implemented thoroughy they will be well placed to benefit from the regulations.

He continued: "We need first to see how effectively Financial Fair Play can be enforced before we can fully understand the impact but I believe it will make for a more exciting Premier League."

"If the rules are well introduced, it will be a massive advantage to Arsenal Football Club, of course, and we will be well positioned for that.

"I don't want to go into excuses but you want a business to be run properly and I believe that to lose £150 million a year, you don't deserve a lot of credit to win a competition.

"I think that it is right that you balance your books - to accept the one basic principle for every company - and that's that you can spend the money which you make.

"That principle just seems to be a common sense and logical one.

"When you look at the history of England, there are Nottingham Forest, Aston Villa and Derby County who have all won championships.

"If that is possible again it will be even more interesting."

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2012/07/19/3252777/wenger-arsenal-can-still-battle-for-title-without-competing

Yes we are so proud that we have shown no improvement in 7 years, that we have gone from title winners to what we are now.

Also no ones telling him to spend "£150m" :doh:

He really is clueless

[-Xs-]

I don't think he is saying that.

He is more having a dig at clubs like City and Chelsea who spend crazy money, resulting in heavy loses, to obtain success.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I don't think he is saying that.

He is more having a dig at clubs like City and Chelsea who spend crazy money, resulting in heavy loses, to obtain success.

Of course he didn't say that, but let's not have that minor little detail get in the way of another Ach hissy fit.

[Cripps_orig]

Does he actually have to say something literally for people to get what he means?

:doh:

[Joker]

"I don't want to go into excuses but you want a business to be run properly and I believe that to lose £150 million a year, you don't deserve a lot of credit to win a competition.

"I think that it is right that you balance your books - to accept the one basic principle for every company - and that's that you can spend the money which you make.

I think some of those comments by Wenger suggests he very much is in tune with the board, and entirely comfortable treating the club as a private sector enterprise, with the main motivation to "balance the books" and run a steady ship. You never hear someone like Fergie put so much emphasis on the financial aspects of the football club. He's a football man, and he focuses on the football. While Wenger regularly looks to defend our problems on the pitch by referring to finance.

[Power n Glory]

He's saying we can compete on the pitch and don't have to compete financially with City and Chelsea. That's the key point and he's not making excuses. Fans shouldn't either and we should stop talking as if it's impossible to compete because of Chelsea and City.

[Joker]

He's saying we can compete on the pitch and don't have to compete financially with City and Chelsea. That's the key point and he's not making excuses. Fans shouldn't either and we should stop talking as if it's impossible to compete because of Chelsea and City.

Exactly, if Wenger truly believes this then it is right that we judge him based on whether we can compete properly with the top teams in the league. No more excuses about "running on sweat" or financial doping.

[Joker]

Arsène Wenger remains resolute in his belief that Arsenal should be a self-sustaining football club.

Over the summer, the policy came under some scrutiny but the manager still believes that it is “vital” for the long-term security of the 126-year-old organisation. And he once again pledged his support to UEFA’s introduction of Financial Fair Play legislation.

“We always defend the values of the Club and the model has to be self-sustainable,” Wenger told Arsenal Player. “Otherwise it can completely go out of shape and become very fragile.

“The financial solidity of the Club is vital for me. I have always supported that and I will continue to do that.

“I believe that Financial Fair Play is all about that. If UEFA push it through they will have a big supporter in me. I believe that football has to work like every single company, it has to work with the money it produces itself.”

But, Wenger asserts, self-sustainability should not limit your aspirations.

“We have been in the Champions League for 15 years now and I believe that shows that our model works,” he said. “But, on the other hand we are very ambitious, we want as well to win trophies.

“It's not enough just to be in the Champions League and we are focused on that of course. We work very hard to make the team stronger.”

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/wenger-self-sustainability-is-still-vital

Interesting that he says a football club has to operate like a company, which is further evidence that his ideology is close to the boards'.

[Cripps_orig]

“We have been in the Champions League for 15 years now and I believe that shows that our model works,”

Proof that CL qualification is our main aim. Trophies whilst it would be nice to win are not as important

[GP]

Interesting that he says a football club has to operate like a company

Of course it does.

[Power n Glory]

Proof that CL qualification is our main aim. Trophies whilst it would be nice to win are not as important

You can't quote that and then ignore the point about him saying being in the competition isn't enough and that we are ambitious/want to strengthen.

[Cripps_orig]

You can't quote that and then ignore the point about him saying being in the competition isn't enough and that we are ambitious/want to strengthen.

Like i said, trophies will be a bonus. Nothing more. As long as we get CL qualification then he will always classify it a good season. Last season to anyone who isnt a half wit was a car crash of a season to go on the back of how we ended the 10/11 season yet he sees it as a great season.

Only reason we havent done well in the cups for the last 7 years is cos he has sacrificed them for getting a top 4 spot. If we tried winning a trophy, we might actually win one.

[Özim]

You can't quote that and then ignore the point about him saying being in the competition isn't enough and that we are ambitious/want to strengthen.
Yeah but you can look back at the last 7 years as evidence that he's doesn't put his money where his mouth is. I've lost count the number of times we've been clearly short going into the season and he's not done anything about it and that's ignoring the strengthening we needed in the January transfer window as well.

Actions speak louder than words, he talks a lot, a helluvah lot, doesn't ever deliver much, just empty promises

[Power n Glory]

I agree, but I'm talking taking quotes out of context, using certain parts as evidence but blatantly ignoring things you don't agree with. It doesn't help your argument at all.

[Özim]

I agree, but I'm talking taking quotes out of context, using certain parts as evidence but blatantly ignoring things you don't agree with. It doesn't help your argument at all.
I see your points and agree, but it's hard to take Wenger words seriously on this subject because he never backs them up. If he said it and showed clear signs he was adressing the issues and really getting ready to challenge (let's be honest it would be obvious) but I haven't seen any signs so far.

Two signings, one German who is quality and on French guy who looks a good buy but is unproven, both will take time to settle. In return we're losing RVP our best player and a player who kept us from being middle table last season..........on the face of it we're not much stronger than last season if at all. Now sure there's still time, but it's beginning to look like all these players linked won't materialise (as is often the case) and we'll go in to the new season with very little change.

Been there, done that got the t-shirt (many times over) and we'll most likely seen another repeat of what we've seen for the past x years, a few decent games, a collapse and being knocked out of everything when it start to matter and 3rd/4th place a the end of the year :yawn:

I don't know how anyway can seriously expect to win when they do so little to make it happen.

[Power n Glory]

It's déjà vu. Something has to change. The board won't, Wenger won't...fans maybe need to wake up and take action. I have no confidence in this club what so ever!

[Özim]

To be honest, I have no idea how people can still believe this guy can deliver success, he's not been able to for a long time and shows no signs of adapting....what makes people believe in him so much?

I'd rather we tried our best and came 10th than didn't really try and got 3rd personally, sometimes you have to gamble, it's time we did on someone else who may be able to deliver where Wenger has failed.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I'd rather not come tenth because that would indicate that we are exceptionally shit, wasted the resources we do have and fuck knows how much moaning I'd have to read on here then.

[Özim]

I'd rather not come tenth because that would indicate that we are exceptionally shit, wasted the resources we do have and fuck knows how much moaning I'd have to read on here then.
If we went out signed a few players and it went wrong so be it, at least we tried.

As it is we're going nowhere, so we get 3rd/4th so what, what kinda of satisfaction do you get from that? I don't get any it's a pointless position.

[Kano]

I'd rather we tried our best and came 10th than didn't really try and got 3rd personally.

no you wouldn't. that's easy internet talk that would never match up to reality.

you along with all od us would be pretty fucking upset at finishing so low down the table. like all the other retarded and outright stupid talk of our club being 'a laughing stock' - again more internet babble - no one who could call themselves an arsenal fan would say 'well at least we tried our best'.

think about the idea. if we 'bought some players' meaning i presume that we buy another 3/4 or more players of high quality? that would mean we would have an excellent starting eleven and very good squad - are you sure you would accept a team of such talent only 'trying their best' and failing so spectacularly in 10th? at that point we really would become a laughing stock, like liverpool are at the moment.

the team we have at the moment 'try their best' but they just aren't good enough. no one coasts along in this league and finishes in the top four - if that's the case, god knows what that says about tottenham, chelsea, liverpool and co.

[Cripps_orig]

Arsene Wenger says he is willing to gives Arsenal youngsters a chance to prove themselves in the first team next season.

The 62-year-old has taken a mix of rising stars and experienced first team regulars with him on the Gunners' tour of the Far East and says he has been impressed by some of Arsenal's next generation.

Homegrown youngster Chuks Aneke and former Borussia Dortmund youth player Thomas Eisfield both scored against a Malaysian XI on the tour whilst the likes of Ryo Miyaichi and Benik Afobe have also caught the eye in pre-season.

Wenger says he is excited by these youngsters staking their claim to be involved in the first team in the upcoming season.

"We have some young players who are already experienced, for example if I tell you Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, you will tell me he is not young but he is 18 years old," Wenger told a press conference in Hong Kong.

"Jack Wilshere is 20, Aaron Ramsey is 21 and we have some more young players who might push up this season.

"On tour we have Chuks Aneke who has shown quality and of course Ryo [Miyiachi]. We also have younger players who are 16 or 17, who are not with us on tour, who will certainly appear this season. We are faithful to what we want to do which is to promote young players and give them a chance at that level."

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2012/07/28/3271796/wenger-ready-to-give-arsenals-rising-stars-their-chance

FFS

[Master Splinter]

What a glorious WUM :bow:.

"if I tell you Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, you will tell me he is not young but he is 18 years old"

:haha: :haha:

[Joker]

"On tour we have Chuks Aneke who has shown quality and of course Ryo [Miyiachi]. We also have younger players who are 16 or 17, who are not with us on tour, who will certainly appear this season. We are faithful to what we want to do which is to promote young players and give them a chance at that level."

LOL classic WUMger.

[Joker]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4460451/Jack-Wilshere-will-not-return-for-Arsenal-until-October-at-the-earliest.html


“With Abou Diaby returning, it will be like signing two new players.

:lol: even better.

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

no you wouldn't. that's easy internet talk that would never match up to reality.

you along with all od us would be pretty fucking upset at finishing so low down the table. like all the other retarded and outright stupid talk of our club being 'a laughing stock' - again more internet babble - no one who could call themselves an arsenal fan would say 'well at least we tried our best'.

think about the idea. if we 'bought some players' meaning i presume that we buy another 3/4 or more players of high quality? that would mean we would have an excellent starting eleven and very good squad - are you sure you would accept a team of such talent only 'trying their best' and failing so spectacularly in 10th? at that point we really would become a laughing stock, like liverpool are at the moment.

the team we have at the moment 'try their best' but they just aren't good enough. no one coasts along in this league and finishes in the top four - if that's the case, god knows what that says about tottenham, chelsea, liverpool and co.

Utter tosh. You're talking about internet make-believe and in the same post you suggest that "people" respect us more than Liverpool!! Please kindly identify if these "people" are your pub mates, accountants, the southern press or dare I say, general football fandom.


I'd rather we tried our best and came 10th than didn't really try and got 3rd personally, sometimes you have to gamble, it's time we did on someone else who may be able to deliver where Wenger has failed.

:good: Yup, sounds like a typical non-internet fan to me.

[The Ogg Monster]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4460451/Jack-Wilshere-will-not-return-for-Arsenal-until-October-at-the-earliest.html



:lol: even better.

You doctored that quote, it really said with Diaby and Wilshere returning. I agree with him, they both missed last year so it kinda will.

[Özim]

You doctored that quote, it really said with Diaby and Wilshere returning. I agree with him, they both missed last year so it kinda will.
Yeah come off it he comes out with this stuff every season and what invariably happens is these players get injured again (he never seems to learn this for some reason).

You can't rely on players who've been out long term, it takes a long time to come back and even when you do the probability of getting injured again is high. We've long relied on players returning too much and it's always come back to bite us, you'd think we'd know better by now.

[The Ogg Monster]

Yeah but look at RvP and Rosicky's comebacks, it is possible.

[Cripps_orig]

LUKAS PODOLSKI and Olivier Giroud will not be fit enough to start the new Premier League season for Arsenal.

The strike duo arrived for pre-season late after Euro 2012 so were not taken on the Gunners’ tour of Asia. And boss Arsene Wenger admitted: “I will have to ease them in.”

Germany’s Podolski, 27, cost £11m from Cologne and Frenchman Giroud, 25, joined from Montpellier for £12.8m.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4461491/Lukas-Podolski-and-Oliver-Giroud-not-fit-enough-for-Arsenal.html

Why didnt he take them then? Plenty of players who played in Euro 2012 have gone on tour with their clubs but once again, Wenger doesnt stand up to his players and tell them to go and once again Arsenal suffer for it

And Giroud hardly played in the summer

[Ollie the Optimist]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4461491/Lukas-Podolski-and-Oliver-Giroud-not-fit-enough-for-Arsenal.html

Why didnt he take them then? Plenty of players who played in Euro 2012 have gone on tour with their clubs but once again, Wenger doesnt stand up to his players and tell them to go and once again Arsenal suffer for it

And Giroud hardly played in the summer

and i guarentee that if they got injured in the first month of t he season, you would slam wenger for taking them on a tour

[Cripps_orig]

Well no i wouldnt

Thanks for making your usual pointless post though

Seriously what is the point of you posting?

[Marc Overmars]

Why do they need to be given more time? Particuarly Giroud. Is this Wenger and his scientific rabble again, does his stat software say they're not at peak fitness or whatever? :rolleyes:

Stop wrapping these pampered twats in cotton wool and let them do what they're paid a fortune to do.

[selassie]

What is more worrying is that if we're trying to shift Chamakh & Nicky B which is obviously good news, look set to lose RVP and have Giroud & Podolski unavailable who on earth is going to start the season up top?

[GP]

Do not forget...

[Globalgunner]

Do not forget...

We have Song who can play there.....also Chamack.....and JD.

[Syn]

You can't really plan for having both Giroud an Podolski out, but Wenger has said Arshavin might have a future here. It's not a lack of offers on Arshavin's part. Zenit want him back, I think. So if he stays he might have a role upfront for us - and I reckon he'd get the ball in the net. Not an awful 3rd choice goalscorer. Failing that the Theo experiment is still available.

[selassie]

You can't really plan for having both Giroud an Podolski out, but Wenger has said Arshavin might have a future here. It's not a lack of offers on Arshavin's part. Zenit want him back, I think. So if he stays he might have a role upfront for us - and I reckon he'd get the ball in the net. Not an awful 3rd choice goalscorer. Failing that the Theo experiment is still available.

Oh great, we're going to have the "tubby ruski" up top puffing out of breath every 5 mins. :blink:

[selassie]

We have Song who can play there.....also Chamack.....and JD.

And don't forget Diaby can play there too. He will be like a signing.

[Syn]

Oh great, we're going to have the "tubby ruski" up top puffing out of breath every 5 mins. :blink:

As third choice. He just goal-hangs and sticks it away. The whole point of sticking him upfront is that he doesn't need to do as much running; just short bursts of movement and sticking the ball in the net. Plays right into his strengths. I remember him doing a decent job there a couple of seasons back when van persie and adebayor were out - around the time he stuck his winner at Anfield in for 1-2.

[Power n Glory]

As a second striker, Arshavin could do well. Wenger would have to go back to 4-5-1 and play Arshavin behind the striker with two holding players behind him. He hasn't the legs to play down the flanks. Our left backs are weak links in the squad and he can't play wide and expect to attack and cover while drifting in towards the centre.

[Kano]

get rid of the fucker. even for russia he was half hearted. looks like he has given up on football. he is nowhere near talented enough for the rest of the team to carry his lazy arse when he can't be bothered to move his tubby little pegs, so get rid pronto.

[Marc Overmars]

Pretty much. We could free up a lot of cash by getting rid of him because he's one of our top earners. Assuming he signed a 4 year deal then this season is his last anyway, so we might as well cash in while we can.

I'd rather give Ryo some game time.

It's time to end Fat Fuck once and for all.

[Syn]

He has something left to offer. Goals - he guarantees them. Unless ze Pod and L'Gerrard hits the ground running, we need goalscorers. Blame the fat fuck for many things, but you can't blame him for not nestling one in the onion bag.

[Xhaka Can’t]

As a second striker, Arshavin could do well. Wenger would have to go back to 4-5-1 and play Arshavin behind the striker with two holding players behind him. He hasn't the legs to play down the flanks. Our left backs are weak links in the squad and he can't play wide and expect to attack and cover while drifting in towards the centre.

I agree, he has something to offer, he just won't offer it.

[Power n Glory]

We're going to be lacking in goals and creativity if Giroud and Poldoski struggle. It's worth keeping him and playing him behind the striker.

[Cripps_orig]

ARSENE WENGER has taken another swipe at mega-rich rivals Manchester City and Chelsea.

The Arsenal boss insists his club are still not in the same League financially as their two Premier League rivals despite massive earnings from matchday income at the Emirates.

Wenger is confident of completing a £16million deal for Malaga’s Santi Cazorla which would bring Arsenal’s summer spending up to £39m.

The Frenchman said: “We consider ourselves in a privileged position because we have a massive income.

“But overall we are not mega-rich because we do not have unlimited resources.

“A club can buy players like PSG has done or Manchester City or Chelsea, with unlimited resources, but overall football suffers.

“Look at the activity on the transfer market since the start of the summer.

“PSG are ambitious and they have resources and that’s it. We talk always about the same things.

“I don’t think anything is new in that domain.

“Europe at the moment is like the Titanic but we live in football like nothing matters.

“More than ever we have to run our club in a strict way because it looks like everybody suffers in Europe.

“I would be surprised if football is not touched by it at some stage.

“If you look at debt in football across Europe at the moment it is quite massive and we have to be responsible.

“We have to be ambitious but also make sure we are not getting in trouble financially.

“It is difficult for us because the wages in some other clubs are very high.

“But of course our players quite rightly compare themselves to the players of the other clubs.”

Asked whether Chelsea’s Champions League win would change anything in England, Wenger said: “I don’t see what it could change.

“Maybe it will wake up the appetite of Abramovich again. I’m proud when any Premier League club wins the Champions League.

“It shows how competitive the Premier League is because Chelsea finished fifth in the Premier League and that is the real quality of a team.

“More than the Champions League it is about where you finish in the league.

“That just shows how good the Premier League is.”

Wenger is looking to stage talks this week with both Robin Van Persie and Theo Walcott over their futures.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4465295/Arsene-Wenger-dig-at-big-spenders-Man-City-and-Chelsea.html

Excuses made already for next season

Roll on 13/14

[Xhaka Can’t]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4465295/Arsene-Wenger-dig-at-big-spenders-Man-City-and-Chelsea.html

Excuses made already for next season

Roll on 13/14

He said nothing wrong there. You're trying to make out he's a tosspot but you aren't making the compelling argument you think you are.

[Letters]

He said nothing wrong there. You're trying to make out he's a tosspot but you aren't making the compelling argument you think you are.
He's quoting the Sun. And he's Ach.
It's never going to be a compelling argument. Or an argument.

[Power n Glory]

Where does Wenger say we're close to signing Cazorla?

[Letters]

Where does Wenger say we're close to signing Cazorla?
He doesn't. And everything he does say is spot on.

[Joker]

I wish Wenger would concentrate on our own squad and making fuller use of our own resources rather than whining about City, Chelsea, debt, financial doping etc.

[Power n Glory]

Trash paper.

[Cripps_orig]

He's quoting the Sun. And he's Ach.
It's never going to be a compelling argument. Or an argument.
Ah the "its the Sun" excuse to defend Wenger

Classic WUM trait

Well played

[Letters]

Defend him against what? He's not said anything wrong.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Letters, you should listen to your own advice.

[Cripps_orig]

Defend him against what? He's not said anything wrong.

1 - Hes talking about other clubs. If anyone does that about Arsenal, he goes in to a hissy fit of epic proportions

2 - Its clearly an excuse for us being a bit shit next season as me, you and everyone else can see but of course you are being a WUM as usual

I know you think Wenger can do no wrong but trust me, hes not perfect as you clearly think he is

[Letters]

Letters, you should listen to your own advice.
:lol: :gp:

[Joker]

He's not said anything obviously wrong but the implication in his comments is that we are the victims of external forces (City's Arab wealth, Russian petrodollars) and if only the world would change to suit and accommodate our business model, everything would be fine. He doesn't seem to realise that perhaps if we adapted ourselves by making fuller use of our resources, we'd be able to do better despite the current climate of spiralling debt.

He sounds like David Cameron making excuses for the failure of the UK economy. It's the fault of the Eurozone crisis, workers' wages are too high etc, but they never look at whether they've made any mistakes themselves in economic policy. The same with Wenger and the board.

[Cripps_orig]

He's not said anything obviously wrong but the implication in his comments is that we are the victims of external forces (City's Arab wealth, Russian petrodollars) and if only the world would change to suit and accommodate our business model, everything would be fine. He doesn't seem to realise that perhaps if we adapted ourselves by making fuller use of our resources, we'd be able to do better despite the current climate of spiralling debt.

He sounds like David Cameron making excuses for the failure of the UK economy. It's the fault of the Eurozone crisis, workers' wages are too high etc, but they never look at whether they've made any mistakes themselves in economic policy.Sensible posting at last

[Power n Glory]

Truth be told, it's a garbage paper and Wenger hasn't said anything wrong but he keeps beating people over the head with his message. He should calm down and ease off the issue until his prophecy comes to pass. Or at least until some more folks start singing from the same hymn book. He's like the lonely shepherd at the moment.

[Joker]

People shouldn't mistake Wenger's comments as a critique of commercialisation of football. Indeed, if you read all his remarks about the football economy, his motivation is to further marketise the game, treating football clubs as private sector businesses that should be run purely on business principles, that supporters should be treated as consumers and the main goal for any manager is to find ways to maximise its income streams while minimising costs. He criticises Arabs and Russians who buy clubs because they are NOT treating their clubs as purely commercial enterprises or as investment vehicles. Buying these clubs for them is motivated by the glamour and gain in status with being associated with ownership of a big club. This is why they care deeply about winning trophies, because otherwise the loss in status defeats the purpose of owning the club in the first place. Moreover, these sugar daddies are concerned about keeping the fans onside because they enjoy being worshipped, and consequently keep season ticket prices low and do a lot of community work (look at Man City for example).

Wenger despises all that, because these owners are not responding to market signals and are treating football as a personal toy, rather than as a business. Neither "model" is appealing to me, but at the moment the Sugar Daddies inadvertently are more in sync with the fans than the free market fundamentalists like Wenger and Gazidis.

[Cripps_orig]

Truth be told, it's a garbage paper and Wenger hasn't said anything wrong but he keeps beating people over the head with his message. He should calm down and ease off the issue until his prophecy comes to pass. Or at least until some more folks start singing from the same hymn book. He's like the lonely shepherd at the moment.
Maybe but the hypocrisy shown by Tweedledee and Tweedledum is how i know they are WUMming.

If there were no quotes in that article, they'd be the first to defend Wenger with the "there are no quotes so its a shit paper" line

Theres a whole bunch of quotes there yet they still defend Wenger to the core cos he can do no wrong in some peoples eyes :rolleyes:

Anyway back on topic, what goes on at Man City and Chelsea isnt what has turned us to shit and made us win f all for years. Sooner Wenger and his lovers realises that, the better

[Joker]

Anyway back on topic, what goes on at Man City and Chelsea isnt what has turned us to shit and made us win f all for years.

Exactly. Wenger and the board keep using that excuse, when in reality both have made huge blunders in the transfer window, and Wenger in particular is responsible for appalling tactical intransigence and stubbornness that has allowed teams like Bolton, Blackburn and Stoke continually take points off us because they know exactly how to counteract Wenger's tactics. His substitutions and team selections have cost us points and trophies (Chelsea in the FA Cup semi final in 08/09, the Carling Cup final 06/07). I'm sick and tired of him blaming external factors for his own failings. I hope he can one day be honest and look at himself in the mirror and realise how far he's taken Arsenal down since the heady days of the early 2000s (with massive help from the board of course).

[Xhaka Can’t]

The quotes in there are all accurate and correct. I don't know the context in which they were delivered because the source does not provide it. My preference is for Wenger not to bleat on about it but there is no context provided here.

If the question was about Arsenal's transfer activity, then he is off his rocker with this quotes. If he is asked about the economics if the game or FFP then what he has said is right. But we don't know what was asked. It could however be argued that he should not answer that question any longer.

I need context to make an assessment Ach doesn't give a damn about that and even where there is context provided in articles he posted he seems not to have even bothered to read what was contained within it. Either that or comprehension isn't his forte.

[Letters]

Theres a whole bunch of quotes there yet they still defend WengerBecause in those quotes he's said nothing wrong

to the core cos he can do no wrong in some peoples eyes :rolleyes:
Both the people you're accusing of WUMming and 'defending Wenger to the core' have said he should be sacked.
You know this.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Both the people you're accusing of WUMming and 'defending Wenger to the core' have said he should be sacked.
You know this.

We don't know that for sure tbf.

[Joker]

RE: FFP, fair enough he's entitled to his opinion but IMO he's only in favour of FFP because this regulation will protect the bigger, established clubs' position at the top table of European football, making it much harder for smaller clubs to break the oligopoly. FFP restricts the amount of income a club can raise through investment from a single individual (i.e. sugar daddies) and without that avenue open to them, it is almost impossible for someone like Villa becoming bigger than they are. Here's David Conn at the Guardian:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/david-conn-inside-sport-blog/2011/may/25/financial-fair-play-uefa-michel-platini


The first is that if clubs are no longer permitted to rely on owners putting money in, then those who make the most income without owners' help could become even more inevitable winners of the game's prizes. The second is that clubs will seek to further increase their income, leading to yet more expensive ticket prices, as is happening in England, with rises announced at United, Arsenal and Liverpool.

And I quoted a couple of academic articles in a thread a few weeks back that made the same point. I wish Wenger was more honest about why he likes FFP rather than pretend it's because he cares about the welfare of football and football fans. FFP will in fact inhibit competition and hurt the fans' wallets.

[Letters]

We don't know that for sure tbf.
Fine, but we've both been critical of Wenger on here, I'm pretty sure we've both at various times said he should move on.
Accusations of "Defending him to the core" and "Think he can do no wrong" are WUMming, plain and simple.

But yes, I'll defend him when he's saying reasonable things.

Agree with some of PnG's posts btw.

[Syn]

RE: FFP, fair enough he's entitled to his opinion but IMO he's only in favour of FFP because this regulation will protect the bigger, established clubs' position at the top table of European football, making it much harder for smaller clubs to break the oligopoly. FFP restricts the amount of income a club can raise through investment from a single individual (i.e. sugar daddies) and without that avenue open to them, it is almost impossible for someone like Villa becoming bigger than they are. Here's David Conn at the Guardian:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/david-conn-inside-sport-blog/2011/may/25/financial-fair-play-uefa-michel-platini



And I quoted a couple of academic articles in a thread a few weeks back that made the same point. I wish Wenger was more honest about why he likes FFP rather than pretend it's because he cares about the welfare of football and football fans. FFP will in fact inhibit competition and hurt the fans' wallets.

Just quickly about his - Joker, you don't know what you're talking about so do be quiet.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Just quickly about his - Joker, you don't know what you're talking about so do be quiet.

This place would be dead if we stopped talking about things we did not know about and stuff.

[The Wengerbabies]

This place would be dead if we stopped talking about things we did not know about and stuff.

This place is dead tbf

GW :rose:

[Xhaka Can’t]

This place is dead tbf

GW :rose:

That was kind of the point.

[LDG]

We got a bronze last year :sulk:

[Letters]

We got a bronze last year :sulk:
:lol:

[Ollie the Optimist]

if we get cazorla and sahin, added to podolski and giroud, then it shows that the myth that wenger is only happy with fourth place and doesnt want to win exactly what it is. complete and utter bullshit

[Joker]

Just quickly about his - Joker, you don't know what you're talking about so do be quiet.

In what way don't I know what I'm talking about? I'm quoting people in the know like David Conn, and people like Stefan Szymanski who are well known sports finance experts.

http://www.playthegame.org/fileadmin/image/knowledgebank/Challengesforfootball_pdf/Stefan_Szymanski.pdf
http://www.hwwi.org/fileadmin/hwwi/Publikationen/Externe_PDFs/1210201.pdf

From the second link:


Regarding long-term effects, a tighter regulation might turn out to be dynamically inefficient as it unintentionally protects well-established clubs from being challenged by non-established clubs. Therefore, Financial Fair Play could ultimately and counter-intuitively confirm an unbalanced competition rather than making it more even. As has been shown, a redistribution of income is additionally needed to restore competitive balance.

The only people who claim that FFP will promote competition are people with a vested interest in the status quo, like Wenger, Gazidis and Liverpool's owner.

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

Asked whether Chelsea’s Champions League win would change anything in England, Wenger said: “I don’t see what it could change.

“Maybe it will wake up the appetite of Abramovich again. I’m proud when any Premier League club wins the Champions League.

“It shows how competitive the Premier League is because Chelsea finished fifth in the Premier League and that is the real quality of a team.

“More than the Champions League it is about where you finish in the league.

“That just shows how good the Premier League is.”

Wenger is looking to stage talks this week with both Robin Van Persie and Theo Walcott over their futures.

They finished sixth actually- and anyone who thinks the "real quality of a team" is determined soley by that needs to have his head examined. In fact only a WUM or someone stricken with severe Arsenalitis would waste time arguing that they aren't at least the 3rd best team in this country right now.

[Ollie the Optimist]

They finished sixth actually- and anyone who thinks the "real quality of a team" is determined soley by that needs to have his head examined. In fact only a WUM or someone stricken with severe Arsenalitis would waste time arguing that they aren't at least the 3rd best team in this country right now.

given that a league posistion is based on a 38 game season with games every week so you need consistency to do well, rather then a knockout game where one moment can win you the game, shows it is the right way to judge a team.

anyone can win one game, you need to do more to do well in the league. where you finish in the league is a better guide to how your team is then a cup competition

[GP]

:gp:

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

given that a league posistion is based on a 38 game season with games every week so you need consistency to do well, rather then a knockout game where one moment can win you the game, shows it is the right way to judge a team.

anyone can win one game, you need to do more to do well in the league. where you finish in the league is a better guide to how your team is then a cup competition

But is our season based on 38 games alone? Are the hopes and aspirations of a majority of fans based on the 38 games alone? Our UEFA co-efficient, our standing as a glogal brand, are they based on these 38 games alone??

I can't be bothered to go dig out posts from practically everyone (including yourself) on what you said after our first few months when we all thought any decent showing in the league had beeen sabotaged by our Commander-In-Chief, but lets not play that game, if we had eneded up finishing 6th and having a season like Chelsea, I doubt anyone wouldn't say that's at least AW's second greatest achievement, probably only bested by the unbeaten season.

[Cripps_orig]

ARSENE WENGER admits Eden Hazard is the one player he would love to have signed if Arsenal had the money.
The Belgian superstar instead joined Chelsea for £32million after a tug of war with Manchester City, as Wenger’s two-year pursuit ended in frustration.
Wenger said: “Hazard we would have considered, yes. We were a long time on the case but there was such competition for him — Manchester City, Chelsea — and they fly a bit higher in the sky.
“I tried to sign him. Two years ago, we were in touch with Lille but they never wanted to sell then.
“He is a guy who has something special, as you have seen already.”
Hazard has made a spectacular start to his Blues career, with five assists in his first two matches — including winning two penalties — against Wigan and Reading.
One-time Gunners target Nuri Sahin now looks set to complete a season-long loan to Liverpool.
The Gunners were in the driving seat for the gifted Turkish midfielder but Wenger decided to turn down the chance to sign him as he wants a more defensive player after agreeing to sell Alex Song to Barcelona.
Wenger added: “If we wanted to sign Sahin, we would have done it.
“Sahin is a quality player but he is not a purely defensive midfielder. We have Jack Wilshere coming back and he is a similar type of player.
“If someone top-top class turns up, completely defensive, then we will consider it.”

Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4503639/Arsene-Wenger-wishes-he-could-have-Eden-Hazard.html#ixzz24VhQiS7S

Hazard joins a long list of "who we could have bought" players :rolleyes:

[KSE Comedy Club]

He doesn't do much but run at defences and dive at every opportunity from what I've seen so far.

Meh.

[Cripps_orig]

5 assists in 2 games seems pretty awesome tbf

Exactly what we needed

Won 2 penalties as well. Rightly i might add

Oh well, penny pinching wins out again

[KSE Comedy Club]

1 of his penalties was one of the most spectacular dives I've seen in a long time :lol:

Oh well, he managed to con the ref/linesman so job done I suppose.

And we didn't miss out on him through "penny pinching"

He chose to fuck off to the chavs.

[Cripps_orig]

Tbf we were never in for him cos he apparently cost too much

If we cant splash out £30m on a player once in a while then our finances must be FUBAR

What was the point of moving to a new stadium if not to compete with the big boys for big signings?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Tbf we were never in for him cos he apparently cost too much

If we cant splash out £30m on a player once in a while then our finances must be FUBAR

What was the point of moving to a new stadium if not to compete with the big boys for big signings?

Well in hindsight, we'd say it was a silly move but i bet when it was thought off a diffrent idea would have been had. i do agree the move has cost us but its done now no point crying over spilt milk.

Yeah like we would have given him the 250 ga week chavs have.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

5 assists in 2 games seems pretty awesome tbf

Exactly what we needed

Won 2 penalties as well. Rightly i might add

Oh well, penny pinching wins out again

Against a poor Wigan team and a promoting Reading team, Its not Awesome or Genius its what he should be doing, when he does it vs the big boys and not just once then say this. He is a good player and looks a good player for them.

[Marc Overmars]

More than Cazorla managed against a shit Sunderland team...

[Olivier's xmas twist]

More than Cazorla managed against a shit Sunderland team...

Never mentiond so not sure what the hell he has to do with anything and i have never hypped him up or said he was world calss against sunderland either.

[Marc Overmars]

Ok.

[GP]

MOe got pwned by Charlie

Charlie :bow:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Ok.

In not denying Hazard was not Great in his 1st to games he was.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Hazard joins a long list of "who we could have bought" players :rolleyes:

Wumger :haha: could have had two world class sqauds tbh.

Having players who could play there :bow:

[Joker]

He doesn't do much but run at defences and dive at every opportunity from what I've seen so far.

Meh.

Eh he does quite a bit more than that.

[Cripps_orig]

Seen both penalty incidents

Both spot on

So much for diving :lol:

[KSE Comedy Club]

Eh he does quite a bit more than that.

Yeh, he makes runs and puts players through on goal.

Any time another player comes near him he goes down quicker than one of Rooney's granny whores.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Seen both penalty incidents

Both spot on

So much for diving :lol:

The elaborate dive he took over the leg of a defender who had his back to him?

You can see in slow mo he already had both feet off the ground ready to fly.

It was a stupid challenge but he played for the penalty, no question.

[Ollie the Optimist]

chavs get 3 penalties in three games, we got three penalties for the whole of last season. says it all, they bought the refs this summer. ****s

[Cripps_orig]

I havent seen todays penalty incident but the first 2 were spot on penalties :doh:

[Özim]

Hazard has been fantastic so far, settled into the Premier league perfectly, looks like a class signing. I know he cost a lot of money but if he keeps performing like he has so far he'll be well worth the money.

[Joker]

chavs get 3 penalties in three games, we got three penalties for the whole of last season. says it all, they bought the refs this summer. ****s

They were all penalties.

[jelgoon]

Yeh he is brilliant - fortunately we dont need him according to AW. We may buy but only if the player we like is extraordinay - so good that he can displace the likes of Rosicky, Diaby, Arteta and Walcott from the team. I can see where AW is coming from - those four have contributed massively to our array of trophies over the last seven years and are world-beaters.

Hazard has been fantastic so far, settled into the Premier league perfectly, looks like a class signing. I know he cost a lot of money but if he keeps performing like he has so far he'll be well worth the money.[/QUOTE]

[Xhaka Can’t]

He is a prize dick albeit a talented one.

If he came here, he'd be whoring himself within five minutes of impressing. We could do with his talent, but the rest of the package is something we could do without.

[GP]

Yeh he is brilliant - fortunately we dont need him according to AW. We may buy but only if the player we like is extraordinay - so good that he can displace the likes of Rosicky, Diaby, Arteta and Walcott from the team. I can see where AW is coming from - those four have contributed massively to our array of trophies over the last seven years and are world-beaters.

Hazard has been fantastic so far, settled into the Premier league perfectly, looks like a class signing. I know he cost a lot of money but if he keeps performing like he has so far he'll be well worth the money.[/QUOTE]

Eh? Wenger said he wanted him but couldn't afford him.

[AKBapologist]

I havent seen todays penalty incident but the first 2 were spot on penalties :doh:

Agreeing with Ach

[jelgoon]

Course they could afford him. Im sIck of all that crap. Do you know how much money Arsenal makes a year? And they could have got rid of all the garbage to get him. And that included Diaby if anyone would buy him.


Eh? Wenger said he wanted him but couldn't afford him.[/QUOTE]

[jelgoon]

Really-so he'll be whoring himself in five minutes at Chelsea will he? If clubs are succesfull and the players are paid well they stay. Manure and Chelski have had their fair share of difficult characters over the years. Ferguson knows how to handle them - thats the difference.
He is a prize dick albeit a talented one.

If he came here, he'd be whoring himself within five minutes of impressing. We could do with his talent, but the rest of the package is something we could do without.

[GP]

Course they could afford him. Im sIck of all that crap. Do you know how much money Arsenal makes a year? And they could have got rid of all the garbage to get him. And that included Diaby if anyone would buy him.

Eh? Wenger said he wanted him but couldn't afford him.[/QUOTE]

Of course, we have the resources to outbid Chelsea.

:rolleyes:

[Özim]

IMO we should have skipped the Gervinho signing and gone after him last summer, sure Lille said he wasn't available but that was after selling Gervinho....they might have been willing to sell had they not lost him........for the right money.

Playing the waiting game doesn't often work, we should just bite the bullet and try and get in there first.

He's clearly a class player, he can create and score and looks like he has it in him to become one of the best around.....if he does his value will double.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Really-so he'll be whoring himself in five minutes at Chelsea will he? If clubs are succesfull and the players are paid well they stay. Manure and Chelski have had their fair share of difficult characters over the years. Ferguson knows how to handle them - thats the difference.
Yeah, whatever.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Course they could afford him. Im sIck of all that crap. Do you know how much money Arsenal makes a year? And they could have got rid of all the garbage to get him. And that included Diaby if anyone would buy him.

Eh? Wenger said he wanted him but couldn't afford him.

He is on 250K a week at chavs good luck him getting that here, if you think that was ever going to happen good luck to ya.

anyways we'd have sold him to barca in to years anyways.

And we was never in for him, it was the 2 man clubs who missed him not us they should be more pissed.

[Cripps_orig]

Arsene Wenger insists another arduous summer at the Arsenal helm has not pushed him closer to retirement and is indeed energised by the prospect of building another great team.

The Frenchman was powerless to prevent the loss of Robin van Persie to Manchester United during the close season and admitted it was “strange” to see his captain opening his goalscoring account for Sir Alex Ferguson’s side with a fabulous volley in last weekend’s 3-2 win over Fulham.

With Alex Song also having departed last month, Wenger could be forgiven for thinking he faces a folorn task in restoring Arsenal to his former glories, but the 62-year-old remains adamant that thoughts of retirement remain far from his thoughts.

“There are still miles in my legs,” he said ahead of Sunday’s meeting with Liverpool at Anfield.

“In life it is like you are going on a mission and it does not cross my mind to finish. You work as long as you can.”

Despite the summer purchases of proven internationals Lukas Podolski, Santi Cazorla and Olivier Giroud, Arsenal have begun the new season sluggishly with consecutive goalless draws against Sunderland and Stoke City.

In contrast to his new-look side, however, Wenger feels motivated by the prospect of building a new squad capable of ending the club’s well documented seven-year wait for a trophy, even if the task has made more difficult with last season’s top goalscorer now in the colours of a direct rival.

“Yes, I have to rebuild – but to rebuild is exciting,” said Wenger. “I would have preferred to have kept Van Persie though. There are not 100 players in the world who can score 30 goals in the Premier League.

“It was a fantastic goal he scored. The quality of the finish was tremendous, but it was a strange feeling for me... he had the wrong shirt on!”

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2012/09/02/3348011/arsenal-boss-wenger-insists-he-is-not-ready-for-retirement

We're fucked :(

Also rebuilding? It would help if he didnt keep selling all of our best players

[Özim]

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2012/09/02/3348011/arsenal-boss-wenger-insists-he-is-not-ready-for-retirement

We're fucked :(

Also rebuilding? It would help if he didnt keep selling all of our best players

F*ck me the guy will never leave at this rate, how much longer do we have to put up with his nonsense management....it's almost like he comes out with comments to p*ss off the fans.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

F*ck me the guy will never leave at this rate, how much longer do we have to put up with his nonsense management....it's almost like he comes out with comments to p*ss off the fans.


Wumger :bow: aren't you half french too :lol:

[Cripps_orig]

ARSENE WENGER is set to be offered a new contract at Arsenal.
The Gunners boss’ current deal expires in 2014 and speculation has grown that he may retire.
But Arsenal’s chief executive Ivan Gazidis has backed Wenger, 62, and insists the club are committed to ending their run of seven years without a trophy.
Gazidis said: “It’s not sentimentalism or a reward for our services, it’s a belief that we have an incredible manager who is the best man to lead us forward.”


Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4535674/Arsene-Wenger-contract-on-table.html#ixzz26J2XaXcO

:doh:

[-Xs-]

Hardly surprising, he's making them a fortune!

[Ollie the Optimist]

http://thisisfutbol.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/ArseneWengerSmiling.jpg

[Olivier's xmas twist]

:doh:

:haha:

[GP]

FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS!

[Olivier's xmas twist]

http://www.setanta.com/Global/Images/sport/football/2011-2012/Premier%20League/Arsenal/Arsene%20Wenger/WengerArsene_Smiles.jpg

[Ollie the Optimist]

FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS!


http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS4lZNKY_pl_JhPS8664N4bcxVRgcLyA 5fjSHVTaI8QnE4wwgFW

[Olivier's xmas twist]

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSqhSXZQNfJOiLnyXAXHC2BTa5DRsMYh Be6EWvU3bhR1IV2Dc3U

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00997/peter-hill-wood_997498c.jpg

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQlQL2RDrR1tSuL1GIPRSGpmjey9WpMR ws9LzcxJl7ybwjagFlcig

[Olivier's xmas twist]

FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS!

Don't tell Zimm shhh

[Ollie the Optimist]

http://cdn1.images.videobash.com/photos/000/058/371/58371.jpg

[Syn]

:blink:

[Ollie the Optimist]

:blink:

\yeah i dont know hat happened there, saw the full picture, it made me laugh yet this one seems to have cropped it. no idea why :S

[Syn]

No, I mean even if there is a full version...is it supposed to tell or story or summat? Because, as it stands, if it's just individual pictures stuck together, that's just awful.

[Kano]

http://gdb.rferl.org/9682E89D-613A-4806-B2AA-AB3CC7F26BDB_mw800_mh600.jpg

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

ARSENE WENGER is set to be offered a new contract at Arsenal.
The Gunners boss’ current deal expires in 2014 and speculation has grown that he may retire.
But Arsenal’s chief executive Ivan Gazidis has backed Wenger, 62, and insists the club are committed to ending their run of seven years without a trophy.
Gazidis said: “It’s not sentimentalism or a reward for our services, it’s a belief that we have an incredible manager who is the best man to lead us forward.”


Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...#ixzz26J2XaXcO

:doh:

tell me this is a fucking joke

[Ollie the Optimist]

tell me this is a fucking joke

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02030/wengerap_2030924c.jpg

[GP]

tell me this is a fucking joke

u mad bro

[Letters]

He's also fat.

[Letters]

He's also fat.
That was in response to a picture which isn't even on this page <_<

:getcoat:

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

http://gifs.gifbin.com/1234443297_ken_park_suicide.gif

[Cripps_orig]

tell me this is a fucking joke
Its a fucking joke

[LDG]

http://www.fulltimesexyman.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Luke_whining.jpeg


http://cdn5.wn.com/ph/img/02/d5/a5b67dc536ff9a3af9f76f08fda5-grande.jpg

[V-Pig]

:lol: to LDG.

Great decision. Love the man.

[jelgoon]

Its disgusting and why I dont go anymore. Why should i give these tossers my money. And Wenger is saying now that he wont give up until he is senile.


Its a fucking joke

[jelgoon]

Well there is always one. Did you fall asleep seven years ago and just wake up or something.


:lol: to LDG.

Great decision. Love the man.

[Cripps_orig]

Well there is always one. Did you fall asleep seven years ago and just wake up or something.

Just remember who you're replying to

[Cripps_orig]

Its disgusting and why I dont go anymore. Why should i give these tossers my money. And Wenger is saying now that he wont give up until he is senile.

I still go but thats cos if i give up the season ticket, getting it back will take years and im hoping Wenger fucks off soon and we get our Arsenal back

[Joker]

Not surprising, Wenger's making the shareholders a lot of money, probably the perfect manager to have around.

[Dennis Bendtner]

Wenger. :bow:

Legend. I thought he might call it quits in 2014. Have to see what his intentions are. If he signs this, you would suspect it'd be his final one.

Before the naysayers cut themselves, a contract is a two-way thing:


Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger says he is in no hurry to open talks with the club over a new contract.

Gunners chief executive Ivan Gazidis was quoted in the Daily Mirror saying Wenger will be offered an extension to his current deal, which ends in 2014.

But Wenger, 62, said: "I've shown my commitment to this club but at the moment I'm not in the mood to think about the long-term future.

"I will assess my own performances and then make a decision."

The Frenchman continued: "I am an Arsenal man. I think I have always shown that. I have to consider if I do well or not.

"If I don't do well, I have to consider my future. At the moment we are not there.

"I have to consider that at my age, you always have to assess if you have the fitness, the desire, the commitment that this job demands.

"Then of course you have to make your decisions. I hope I will be lucid enough and intelligent enough to assess my performance well.

"Two years is a long time in my job. I just want to do well for the club as long as I can and accept all the rest."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19584916

[Özim]

:doh:
Unf*ckinbelievable!

Will this nightmare never end? If he'd been roundly booed for a while maybe he'd be ready to leave....as it is it seems we're in for more years of this painful regime.

[Özim]

I still go but thats cos if i give up the season ticket, getting it back will take years and im hoping Wenger fucks off soon and we get our Arsenal back
Doesn't look like he'll be going anytime soon tho.

[Cripps_orig]

Unf*ckinbelievable!

Will this nightmare never end? If he'd been roundly booed for a while maybe he'd be ready to leave....as it is it seems we're in for more years of this painful regime.

Whats the longest we have ever gone without a trophy in our history?

Can see that being extended

We're fucked.

[Cripps_orig]

Doesn't look like he'll be going anytime soon tho.

I'm optimistic.

I have to be

[Özim]

Whats the longest we have ever gone without a trophy in our history?

Can see that being extended

We're fucked.
I can as well, the guy has forgotten how great winning is, maybe he feels like a winner though with 7 million notes in his bank account every year.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Doesn't look like he'll be going anytime soon tho.

And you know this how ?

[Cripps_orig]

And youknow this how ?

He never said he knows this

[Olivier's xmas twist]

He never said he knows this

I never said he said he knows this.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

:doh:

Making a mountain out of a molehill aren't you.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Unf*ckinbelievable!

Will this nightmare never end? If he'd been roundly booed for a while maybe he'd be ready to leave....as it is it seems we're in for more years of this painful regime.

If you beileve the scummy sun that is.

[Cripps_orig]

Making a mountain out of a molehill aren't you.

Um what?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Well there is always one. Did you fall asleep seven years ago and just wake up or something.

I don't think the poster was talking about Wumger tbh


:lol: to LDG.

Great decision. Love the man.

Don't let Ach see this Shhh.

[Özim]

And youknow this how ?
I don't but he's getting paid a shedload, get's to do whatever he wants and seems to enjoy making the fans squirm.


Anyway he says this:



'At the moment I am not in the mood to think about the long-term future. We want to do well this season, that's all.'

He continued: 'I am an Arsenal man. I think I have always shown that. I have to consider if I do well or not.

'If I don't do well, I have to consider my future.

'I have been at the club long enough to have confidence in the people I work with, but I will assess my own performances and then make a decision, at the moment we are not there.

'Two years is a long time in my job. I just want to do well for the club as long as I can and accept all the rest.

'I have to consider that at my age, you always have to assess if you have the fitness, the desire, the commitment that this job demands.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2202568/Arsene-Wenger-hurry-sign-new-contract.html#ixzz26LjcLK31

There's some comments in there that leaves us with some hope, he says if he doesn't do well he'll consider his future (we all know what he considers well and what others do are two different things).

He also says he'll assess his own performance, sounds about right, no other f*cker does.....he's pretty much his own boss and decides what's what....not a bad job to have, especially for 7 million per annum.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I don't but he's getting paid a shedload, get's to do whatever he wants and seems to enjoy making the fans squirm.


Anyway he says this:



There's some comments in there that leaves us with some hope, he says if he doesn't do well he'll consider his future (we all know what he considers well and what others do are two different things).

He also says he'll assess his own performance, sounds about right, no other f*cker does.....he's pretty much his own boss and decides what's what....not a bad job to have, especially for 7 million per annum.

Means nothing at all. if your getting upset over a newspaper article then i just have to laugh.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Um what?

Your fussing over nothing.

[Syn]

Wenger. :bow:

Legend. I thought he might call it quits in 2014. Have to see what his intentions are. If he signs this, you would suspect it'd be his final one.

Before the naysayers cut themselves, a contract is a two-way thing:



http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19584916

He wants to carry on but he also wants the fans' support. I get the feeling he doesn't want his last contract to be one where everyone wishes he was no longer there. We have steadily seen the balance of support shift against him. Now, I would guess - even for the match-going crowd who are usually more supportive - 50/50. But that support is falling every year.

I hope he doesn't sign a new contract and gives himself one last chance next time to sign off on a high. And then he can write his fucking book.

[Cripps_orig]

Your fussing over nothing.

Seeing the club we love being destroyed is hardly nothing

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Seeing the club we love being destroyed is hardly nothing

Where is it being derstoyed?

[Cripps_orig]

Where is it being derstoyed?

:rolleyes:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

:rolleyes:

End of the day, there is nothing to suggest AW will even sign a new deal, yeah i know what Zimm posted but that was then this is now.

What the board want to do and what will happen are too diffrent things.

Unless the board can't find a new manager cause no one wants the job.

[Cripps_orig]

Not an answer.

Have you not watched us at all over the last few years?

Quality players replaced by shit players

Wengers love for football replaced by his love for money

Board sitting back and letting it happen whilst lining their own pockets

All of the above and more are destroying the club

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Have you not watched us at all over the last few years?

Quality players replaced by shit players

Wengers love for football replaced by his love for money

Board sitting back and letting it happen whilst lining their own pockets

All of the above and more are destroying the club


Like i said whats to say Wenger will sign a new deal why get worked up over something that might not even happen.

[Cripps_orig]

Like i said whats to say Wenger will sign a new deal why get worked up over something that might not even happen.
History suggests it will

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I hope he doesn't sign a new contract and gives himself one last chance next time to sign off on a high. And then he can write his fucking book.

:gp:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

History suggests it will

Who knows, but we know what Durham will be talking about today

[Dennis Bendtner]

He wants to carry on but he also wants the fans' support. I get the feeling he doesn't want his last contract to be one where everyone wishes he was no longer there. We have steadily seen the balance of support shift against him. Now, I would guess - even for the match-going crowd who are usually more supportive - 50/50. But that support is falling every year.

I hope he doesn't sign a new contract and gives himself one last chance next time to sign off on a high. And then he can write his fucking book.

However you look at it, 2014 is the key year. Many of the very poor, front-loaded sponsorship deals run out and there's a chance to negotiate new ones. Every statistic emphasises the gap from other CL clubs here. I'm fairly sure that isn't bullshit given that Gazidis, Fox (http://gingers4limpar.com/?p=2275) and others publicly talk about it. So does Wenger want to chuck himself under a bus for the next two seasons, give absolutely everything to get into the CL and bow out, or does he fancy a final crack on a much more competitive financial field? And will apparent 'fan support' mean as much as you say? We have periods in each season where the 'spend some fucking money' brigade chime in. Ultimately it kind of peters out into a bit of private grumbling. I'm not sure how much two more years of that will impact things. Very much down to him. He's in good shape and not discernibly lacking sharpness.

All that said, I would like to read his book.

[Cripps_orig]

Ive read his book

Its a bit shit

[Kano]

And then he can write his fucking book.
that's what we really want to see tbh.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

He's in good shape and not discernibly lacking sharpness.
.

:haha:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Ive read his book

Its a bit shit


What a name for a book, Its a bit shit, Brilliant.

[Dennis Bendtner]

Ive read his book

Its a bit shit

But wouldn't you like to read his much-awaited book regarding last summer? What he really thinks of Gazidis and Andre Santos? There's potential there.

[Cripps_orig]

Why?

Do people expect him to be truthful about whats gone on?

I expect him to lie and say he was forced by the board to do things which as we can all see is BS as he is just as much if not more to blame

[Cripps_orig]

But wouldn't you like to read his much-awaited book regarding last summer? What he really thinks of Gazidis and Andre Santos? There's potential there.

Andre Santos?

And hes the one who appointed Gazidis so i doubt he'll critisise him or it will look bad

[Cripps_orig]

What a name for a bot, Its a bit shit, Brilliant.

Bot :bow:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Why?

Do people expect him to be truthful about whats gone on?

I expect him to lie and say he was forced by the board to do things which as we can all see is BS as he is just as much if not more to blame

Then don't read it simples.

[Ollie the Optimist]

i cant see him ever writing a book about the last 7 years for one reason only. his love for the club. he knows that the fans are split right now, and i dont think he will want to split them again.

[Cripps_orig]

Then don't read it simples.

He wont write one anyway

[Özim]

i cant see him ever writing a book about the last 7 years for one reason only. his love for the club. he knows that the fans are split right now, and i dont think he will want to split them again.
You don't think it's because he's won jack sh*t and would come across as one of football's biggest losers then?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

He wont write one anyway

Then why you moaning anout him lying them ffs.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

You don't think it's because he's won jack sh*t and would come across as one of football's biggest losers then?

His book would be about his 16 years at the club so not winning something in 7 years becomes irrelvant anyways.

[Özim]

He wont write one anyway
Too true, the text will lack a little bit of sharpness rendering it almost impossible to read and although the outside will look expensive and smart, the inside will be full of BS and pages that will be desperately falling out when you open it.

At the press conference he'll claim there's no point having a world class cover without having some quality pages of content to go fill it.

[Özim]

His book would be about his 16 years at the club so not winning something in 7 years becomes irrelvant anyways.
I'd probably suggest that everyone rip out the last 7 years, I heard it's very repetitive and boring.

[Syn]

However you look at it, 2014 is the key year. Many of the very poor, front-loaded sponsorship deals run out and there's a chance to negotiate new ones. Every statistic emphasises the gap from other CL clubs here. I'm fairly sure that isn't bullshit given that Gazidis, Fox (http://gingers4limpar.com/?p=2275) and others publicly talk about it. So does Wenger want to chuck himself under a bus for the next two seasons, give absolutely everything to get into the CL and bow out, or does he fancy a final crack on a much more competitive financial field? And will apparent 'fan support' mean as much as you say? We have periods in each season where the 'spend some fucking money' brigade chime in. Ultimately it kind of peters out into a bit of private grumbling. I'm not sure how much two more years of that will impact things. Very much down to him. He's in good shape and not discernibly lacking sharpness.

All that said, I would like to read his book.

I've read arguments from other people about this sponsorship stuff, and I've read that gingers4limpar argument...gotta say, I don't really get it. I don't see what difference it makes to us right now because I don't see a 'good' deal as being uncertain. We know it's going to happen. If someone said: 'tomorrow I'll flip a coin, if it's heads you get a lot of money. If it's tails you get nothing' then fair enough...wait to see what happens. That's not how I understand a near billion dollar (sorry for the Americanism) company to work. But I don't claim to know much about it anyway so I could be wrong.

But, yes, if we are onto a lot of cash (or other clubs aren't) then maybe Wenget will think we're back to the 90s and early 00s and he might fancy his chances.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I'd probably suggest that everyone rip out the last 7 years, I heard it's very repetitive and boring.

:haha:

it will be in french anyways :lol:

[Cripps_orig]

Then why you moaning anout him lying them ffs.Im not?

Im saying the people who say they cant wait for his book obviously think hes some sort of saint and has his hands tied by the board and therefore want to read his book to reveal it all

Whereas i on the other hand think rightly that hes just as bad as the board.

[Kano]

Why?

Do people expect him to be truthful about whats gone on?

I expect him to lie and say he was forced by the board to do things which as we can all see is BS as he is just as much if not more to blame
any biog is always skewed toward the person writing it - as anyone would.

should have some interesting stories about his time here since the 90s.

you'll read it. you just don't know it yet.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Im not?

Im saying the people who say they cant wait for his book obviously think hes some sort of saint and has his hands tied by the board and therefore want to read his book to reveal it all

Whereas i on the other hand think rightly that hes just as bad as the board.

:gp: Don't think i have agreed with you so much, since i have come back seems to be alot.

[Cripps_orig]

any biog is always skewed toward the person writing it - as anyone would.

should have some interesting stories about his time here since the 90s.

you'll read it. you just don't know it yet.

He should write a book about his time at Arsenal tbh

I and im sure others dont give a fuck about him at Monaco or in Japan or his shite playing career before that.

My brother will probably buy it so i'll probably read it. But i wont enjoy it

Well maybe the 1996-2005 section

[Cripps_orig]

:gp: Don't think i have agreed with you so much, since i have come back seems to be alot.

:blink:

You have more or less disagreed with me on everything today

[Syn]

He'll call it 'My Struggle' tbh.

[Syn]

Look How Much Fucking Money I've Got!! - The Arsene Wenger story.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

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Front cover or back?

[Syn]

:haha:

And Then There Were WUM

[Dennis Bendtner]

I've read arguments from other people about this sponsorship stuff, and I've read that gingers4limpar argument...gotta say, I don't really get it. I don't see what difference it makes to us right now because I don't see a 'good' deal as being uncertain. We know it's going to happen. If someone said: 'tomorrow I'll flip a coin, if it's heads you get a lot of money. If it's tails you get nothing' then fair enough...wait to see what happens. That's not how I understand a near billion dollar (sorry for the Americanism) company to work. But I don't claim to know much about it anyway so I could be wrong.

But, yes, if we are onto a lot of cash (or other clubs aren't) then maybe Wenget will think we're back to the 90s and early 00s and he might fancy his chances.

Well, my fairly simple and possibly wrong conclusion is:

We have been lagging behind commercially for a long long time after the stadium build
Wenger and the board unite on Project Youth
Project Youth does its job (kind of), Arsenal make a lot of money, but Wenger is restricted by the constant upheaval
Project Youth has to continue in the background to make up the shortfall from a lack of commercial income
Wenger and the board recognise the increasing competition and pitfalls of falling out of the CL places, and alter things
Wenger is more liberal in his spending on 'experienced players' (you can probably call this at around 2009)
This is offensive to Wenger's principles, as he dislikes the idea of spending on the likes of Santos and Arteta, but he rolls with what is necessary
The board are getting loads of yanks on board to eventually exploit the commercial opportunities, and convince Wenger about a money-spinning tour
Wenger spots the odd 'value gem' - Koscielny, Cazorla - as an aside from the meh players like Santos
Arsenal wait until 2014 to try and open the treasure chest
Will Wenget sign for the 'new era'?

As I say, speculative. But merely dealing from the fact that Arsenal are very much lagging behind and are banking on maintaining the prestige of CL football in the next two years to get those deals in line with Man Utd (probably not) and the rest. So I wouldn't say it's especially certain.

What a great story. Wenger should hire me as ghostwriter.

[LDG]

"One day I shall write a book about..."

"Maybe one day the story will be told..."

"No. It is not true. One day you may know. I will perhaps write a book"











2018:

Wenger "My Life At Home"


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[Marc Overmars]

:haha:

And Then There Were WUM

Chapter 15 'The WUM years'.

[Syn]

Chapter 15 'The WUM years'.

"And then I said...only super super quality..."

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[Kano]

Special Edition: 2% Extra Free!

[GP]

Chapter 15 'The WUM years'.

The WUMder years.

All narrated as an inner monologue.

[Syn]

Come to my book launch if you want a new signing.

[Kano]

It's A WUMderful Life?

[Cripps_orig]

Arsène Wenger says he's "an Arsenal man" but insists it's too soon to think about his long-term future.

The Frenchman has been Arsenal’s manager for nearly 16 years and his current deal expires in the summer of 2014. Reports on Friday suggested that he will be offered a new contract but Wenger is not looking beyond this weekend's Premier League game.

"I have two years to go," he said. "What is important for me is Southampton [on Saturday] and I think I’ve shown my commitment to this club in the past.

"I’m an Arsenal man and I think I’ve always shown that. I have to consider if I do well or not. If I don’t do well, I have to consider my future.

"I’ve been at the club long enough to have confidence in the people I work with. But I will assess my own performances and then make a decision. At the moment we are not there.

"Two years is a long time in my job. I just want to do well for the club as long as I can and accept all the rest.

"At the moment I am not in the mood to think about the long-term future. We want to do well this season, that’s all."

Wenger will be 63 next month but he has not thought about how long he expects to be managing at the top level.

"I don’t know," he said. "I have to consider that at my age, you always have to assess if you have the fitness, the desire, the commitment that this job demands. Then of course you have to make your decisions.

"I hope I will be lucid enough and intelligent enough to assess my performance well. I just want to do well. I want to do well every day and I want to work every day."

Wenger has already built three title teams during his stay in north London and he believes that the current crop can make this a season to remember for Arsenal.

"It is a very special year for the club because we look like we have potential," he said. "What is important for us is that we fulfil our potential this season.

"We have a good attitude, good spirit and good potential - the only thing I am focused on is really to see how far we can go this season."

Doubt he'll leave before 2014. Hopefully he doesnt sign a new contract.

France flop at the wold cup and he takes over there.

Just need to be patient. Less than 2 years and we are free. Believe

[LDG]

Doubt he'll leave before 2014. Hopefully he doesnt sign a new contract.

France flop at the wold cup and he takes over there.

Just need to be patient. Less than 2 years and we are free. Believe

You are falling for the ultimate WUM here.

Your powers are weak old man.

:rose:

[Marc Overmars]

The book is 2% away from hardback.

[Cripps_orig]

You are falling for the ultimate WUM here.

Your powers are weak old man.

:rose:
If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.

[Syn]

@wengerknowsbest: Did I say that my current Arsenal contract would be my last? Yes. Every contract is your last until you sign a new one.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

You are falling for the ultimate WUM here.

Your powers are weak old man.

:rose:

Remember who your replying too :coffee:

[LDG]

:blink:

[Cripps_orig]

:lol:

I think Charlies drunk

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Remember who your replying too :coffee:

You were replying to Ach were you not ?

[Cripps_orig]

:blink:

[Syn]

I'm with Charlie...I thought LDG was replying to Ach. It is you guys that are drunk.

[Cripps_orig]

He was replying to me

However i dont think Charlie has grasped how to use the "remember who you are replying to" line yet hence the confusion.

[Letters]

If people aren't enjoying the book they always think the answer is new chapters.

[Letters]

Project Youth: 50 Shades of Shite