Wenger Referendum IV

[Özim]

I think there's more chance of getting rid of Wenger by begging him to stay. He'll do the opposite of what the fans want in most cases, maybe he'll be too stubborn to stay if we demand it.

:gp: The guy seems to do things purely to antagonise people, if the logical thing is to do suggestion a and pretty much everyone agrees he'll go with z.

[selassie]

Anyone know who Arsene has picked?

:lol:

All joking aside...this doesn't feel that much different to when Wenger hired Gazidis. This new Sporting Director if he does come in will just take the flak whilst Wenger continues as is.

[Power n Glory]

:lol:

All joking aside...this doesn't feel that much different to when Wenger hired Gazidis. This new Sporting Director if he does come in will just take the flak whilst Wenger continues as is.

Pires has recently said he wants to be our Sporting Director.

http://metro.co.uk/2016/09/30/robert-pires-reveals-ambitions-of-becoming-arsenal-sporting-director-6163437/

It's an even bigger warning sign if they appoint a former player like Pires. Way too much respect for Wenger to rock the boat.

[Globalgunner]

This is our current management structure

Kroenke
Wenger
Board
Gazidis
Ramsey


where will Pires fit in?

[Gooner23]

This talk of the club willing to hire a Sporting Director all but confirms the old git has signed up for another two years. It's damage limitation time with the fans.

Fucks sake.

[GP]

Probably.

We'd still need a sporting director regardless.

[Özim]

This talk of the club willing to hire a Sporting Director all but confirms the old git has signed up for another two years. It's damage limitation time with the fans.

Fucks sake.

I think it's becoming clear the guy is going nowhere, he's decided he's going to stay because he thinks he's doing a great job. Hardly anyone wants him here anymore and yet here we are with the distinct possiblity he's going to bore us to death for at least another 2 years!

[fakeyank]

I think it's becoming clear the guy is going nowhere, he's decided he's going to stay because he thinks he's doing a great job. Hardly anyone wants him here anymore and yet here we are with the distinct possiblity he's going to bore us to death for at least another 2 years!

I have given up on this club. I have already missed more games this season than I have missed in the last 10 years combined. Dont give a flying fuck anymore.

[Niall_Quinn]

Arsene Wenger has just been appointed to the new role of Sporting Director at Arsenal FC. He'll be sharing his time between this new role and his existing role as manager. Wenger has also been appointed Assistant to the Sporting Director.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Arsene Wenger has just been appointed to the new role of Sporting Director at Arsenal FC. He'll be sharing his time between this new role and his existing role as manager. Wenger has also been appointed Assistant to the Sporting Director.

"This is a little bit tax dodge, by being paid four seperate wages"

[GP]

http://i.imgur.com/pAIHO6C.jpg

[redordead]

The fucking arrogant cunts going nowhere he will stay for another two years buy fucking shit players promise fans the team has the meen fucking Tality to challenge for the title we won't be in the cl and that cunt will stick two fingers up at the fans RIP ARsenal football club.Fucking hate everything about him the cunt

[Letters]

Not enough swearing in that post for my liking.

[GP]

Not enough swearing in that post for my liking.

Someone needs a nap.

[AFC Leveller]

Boro PRIMORAC says:

Arsenal’s strength in the past 20 years has been Wenger. It is not all about results, but also the business part of the club that matters.”

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Boro PRIMORAC says:

Arsenal’s strength in the past 20 years has been Wenger. It is not all about results, but also the business part of the club that matters.”

Translated as

"Arsene has given me a job for twenty years when no one else would, don't make him go please....otherwise I'm out on my ear and I've done nothing to deserve that.....you don't know me....most of you can't pronounce my name"

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

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[Özim]

Primorac is so important to Arsenal most people forgot he exists, this is the 1st time I've even seen him mentioned on here.

[Özim]

Boro PRIMORAC says:

Arsenal’s strength in the past 20 years has been Wenger. It is not all about results, but also the business part of the club that matters.”

Business part of the club? how is that a managers job anyway.

[redordead]

Someone needs a nap.

talk talk talk thats all we do that cunt created a monster that now he cant control,he inherited the best defence in europe,had the pickings of the virtually unknown french/african youngsters when fergie was dealing in english youngsters,but the french went on to win the euros and world cup,he went head to head with fergie and basically fucked up couldnt build the ulimate team no success in europe the cunt is a specielist in failure and every prick that says otherwise is a prick so ban me i wont lose sleep one team in london 'Victoria Concordia Crescit'

[GP]

Relax guy, you need a rest buddy

[Niall_Quinn]

Boro PRIMORAC says:

Arsenal’s strength in the past 20 years has been Wenger. It is not all about results, but also the business part of the club that matters.”

I'm convinced. Let's make him the new manager. He sounds perfect for it.

[Niall_Quinn]

talk talk talk thats all we do that cunt created a monster that now he cant control,he inherited the best defence in europe,had the pickings of the virtually unknown french/african youngsters when fergie was dealing in english youngsters,but the french went on to win the euros and world cup,he went head to head with fergie and basically fucked up couldnt build the ulimate team no success in europe the cunt is a specielist in failure and every prick that says otherwise is a prick so ban me i wont lose sleep one team in london 'Victoria Concordia Crescit'

He built the greatest team I've seen in my lifetime. Greatest players I ever saw. Best football I ever saw. Happiest footballing moments I ever had. He also built the only team ever that made Fergie's lot shit their pants in the tunnel.

[redordead]

He built the greatest team I've seen in my lifetime. Greatest players I ever saw. Best football I ever saw. Happiest footballing moments I ever had. He also built the only team ever that made Fergie's lot shit their pants in the tunnel.

12 years ago,mate,greatest team couldnt win the champions league in paris 2006,a fucking failure in europe.'Victoria Concordia Crescit'

[GP]

12 years ago,mate,greatest team couldnt win the champions league in paris 2006,a fucking failure in europe.'Victoria Concordia Crescit'

You've lost it.

[redordead]

You've lost it.
really,what are you banging on about ffs

[Niall_Quinn]

12 years ago,mate,greatest team couldnt win the champions league in paris 2006,a fucking failure in europe.'Victoria Concordia Crescit'

We had the keeper sent off, Almunia sent on and lost Bobby in that switch. Finally we succumbed through fatigue against one of the best teams in the world. Henry missed a chance he'd normally ave buried. We weren't that far away. I don't see the point in destroying the whole history of the club just because you want Wenger out. I want him out too but it doesn't mean I'm going to belittle the team that got the CL final and made a game of it. 11 vs 11, I reckon we'd have beaten them.

[Globalgunner]

We had the keeper sent off, Almunia sent on and lost Bobby in that switch. Finally we succumbed through fatigue against one of the best teams in the world. Henry missed a chance he'd normally ave buried. We weren't that far away. I don't see the point in destroying the whole history of the club just because you want Wenger out. I want him out too but it doesn't mean I'm going to belittle the team that got the CL final and made a game of it. 11 vs 11, I reckon we'd have beaten them.

All are symptoms of the same problem. The back 4 of 2002-2004 would not have left the keeper exposed in the first instance, Once Wenger started to take control of all aspects of the team it went downhill from there. Ball over the top with the defence at the centre circle. Who does that. With Arsenal it is always some hard luck story. Since our final, which other team has lost a player in the first 5 mins of a game?
You are starting to sound like Wenger..its always some bum excuse after the other.

[Niall_Quinn]

Guys, if you are going to let Wenger bite into you so hard that you take away your own good times, his victory will be total. He's staying, I was angry about it, then I realised there's nothing I can do about it, it's just a corrupt world that's all. Him staying isn't going to make me stop loving booze, ciggies and Arsenal FC when it was a privilege to watch them.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I think he's going to make staying palatable for those who think he should go but are scared of being disrespectful

For instance, I think there may be a good chance we will go unbeaten now in the league at least for the rest of the season

Famous last words as we are playing in just under twenty minutes

I don't think he has the affrontery to stay finishing below 4th and failing to win the FA cup, otherwise think he would have signed already, but he's determined to stay thus why hasn't said he's going.

[Niall_Quinn]

I think he's going to make staying palatable for those who think he should go but are scared of being disrespectful

For instance, I think there may be a good chance we will go unbeaten now in the league at least for the rest of the season

Famous last words as we are playing in just under twenty minutes

I don't think he has the affrontery to stay finishing below 4th and failing to win the FA cup, otherwise think he would have signed already, but he's determined to stay thus why hasn't said he's going.

I think we've seen what's going to happen following our cup quarter final triumph. 10-2 vs Bayern is probably as low as it can go, although never say never at this club. That's when the revolution should have kicked off and if he'd have come out and announced he'd signed the contract it would have been carnage. But one win later against a non-league team and most of the fans have settled down again. And during those ultra fortunate gaps between Bayern thrashings we saw the tension drop too. Summer is coming, bullshit transfer rumours, we are already scouting Mbappe, for example, even though we have 0% chance of signing that player. The summer break and a little hope based on fantasy on the back pages will be enough for most fans. He'll sign it at the end of the season because he knows he's not up to the job any more and he's going to need that summer break to reduce the temperature.

[Niall_Quinn]

I still want to know who those 4 are.

[Master Splinter]

Wenger's in a talespin.

[Master Splinter]

His wings are little bit clipped.

[Niall_Quinn]

Ozil and Alexis have bailed out.

[Master Splinter]

The plane dropped , I believe, physically in the second half.

[Niall_Quinn]

We lacked a little bit thrust.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Boeing, Boeing, gone.

[Niall_Quinn]

There's too much baggage aboard.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Bean counters and blue bloods plus a semi professional Tom Selleck impersonator have brought us to this

Even at his Pomp Wenger had deficiencies, a brilliant season like the unbeaten one is still etched with the mark of failure with the three day collapse going out of the FA cup and the Champions League in April.

And you fucking idiots left this man in sole charge, finishing 4th is just about acceptable as a way of maintaining stability after moving stadiums, however it was also a very thin facade for a manager and a club who had no future plan just full steam ahead same old, same old.

And now because the roof was never repaired, just the scaffolding removed the whole thing is collapsing in on us.

[Master Splinter]

I must say, the plane showed top, top, top quality wing play.

[Niall_Quinn]

What you are saying is it has been on autopilot but now we're run out of fuel?

[AFC Leveller]

Don't think I've ever felt so deflated and hopeless about this club and manager. There is no way we will finish in the top 4 now (who cares anyway since we are an embarrassment in that competition) considering we can beat any half decent team and the fact that we have 4 tough games still to come (Both mancs, spuds away and Stoke away).

Problem is the manager still finds excuses for his failures and doesn't see that he is THE problem.

[Maestro]

I still want to know who those 4 are.

make that the furious 5 as of today, i think the "Wenger In Plane" just joined GW

[Niall_Quinn]

make that the furious 5 as of today, i think the "Wenger In Plane" just joined GW

Letters' fake accounts :sulk:

[Maestro]

Letters' fake accounts :sulk:

Ty is now fully on board

[Globalgunner]

Probably a load of Spuds on a WUM

[Xhaka Can’t]

Time for Wenger to hit the ejection seat button.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Time for Wenger to hit the ejection seat button.

He's staying the decision has been made

[Niall_Quinn]

Can I vote in this poll again?

Previously I voted Wenger out. Now, after reflection. I'd like to vote Wenger out. Is that possible?

I'm wondering why there isn't a Get the fuck out right now you loser son of a bitch option. Is it a bug?

[Niall_Quinn]

I'm offering out the 5 who voted Wenger in.

Me vs all of you. Are you up for it?

Tell you now, I'd fucking win.

[Niall_Quinn]

For a change, I decided to get mindlessly drunk.

So I'm mostly pressing the backspace key. But I still reckon I could manage the club better than the bloke who has that job right now. Whilst mindlessly drunk.

Who thinks Im right?

[Niall_Quinn]

Here's what I'd do. Whilst mindlessly drunk.

I'd make Cech captain. Why? Because he has experience of winning and knows what it takes. And I'd give him power. If players fell out of favour with Cech, who I believe to be a consummate professional, I'd fuck them up, big time.

I'd give Alexis his money. He's our star player and nobody else is even in the ballpark. He's the guy we are building a team around.

I'd tell Ozil buck up or fuck up. If you buck up the you conquered London. If you fuck off then London beat your sorry German arse. Simple as. And yeah, sure, I'd leak every shitty detail to the prestitutes. Fuck you - you are here to play. Anything else and nobody is interested.

I'd bring in a defensive coach and back the fuck off. Probably Keown, because he likes the taste of my cock. Even so, I think he'd innately want to teach some real defensive shit.

We need midfielders that command. So I'd figure out how much Paddy is earning in New York and double it. Two players in the whole wide world who you want teaching your midfielders how to be winning scumbag bastards - Keane and Vieira. Ain't going to be Keane - right?

Striker. Take out the chequebook. 90 mill for Lewandowski. He's so perfect for us it's hard to believe this wasn't planned by God. 30 goals a season - EASY. He's so fucking perfect for us. Alexis, Ozil and Lewa - are you fucking kidding me?

But these are the perfectly achievable dreams of a drunk bum. It may not be so simple for a professional like Wenger.

[Maestro]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/ivan-gazidis-face-wrath-arsenal-10137660

[AFC Leveller]

The questions are ran through and approved prior to the meeting anyway so i cant see Ivan being asked anything meaningful.

[Power n Glory]

There is no way he's turning up not to answer questions on Wenger's future and the contract situation. He'll talk about it.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I agree it would be insane to think that he could attend any such meeting without facing such questions

The answers however will be a massive fudge

Something like

"We understand your concerns, as does Arsene. We all want what's best for the club....and it's probably best for such matters to remain unresolved until we are on a more stable footing results wise"

[Niall_Quinn]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/ivan-gazidis-face-wrath-arsenal-10137660

Got to be very, very careful not to be sucked into their bullshit trap. Do you see the media teeing it up? They are trying to make Wenger's announcement a turning point and suggest it will be a remedy for the problems. As if Wenger himself and his incompetence is not the problem, but rather uncertainty over his gracing us with his presence for 2 more years. And Gazidis can say what he wants but if he's not saying Wenger out then he's not addressing the main problem and therefore what he says can be completely discounted. Bunch of con artists - the lot of them.

[Maestro]

Got to be very, very careful not to be sucked into their bullshit trap. Do you see the media teeing it up? They are trying to make Wenger's announcement a turning point and suggest it will be a remedy for the problems. As if Wenger himself and his incompetence is not the problem, but rather uncertainty over his gracing us with his presence for 2 more years. And Gazidis can say what he wants but if he's not saying Wenger out then he's not addressing the main problem and therefore what he says can be completely discounted. Bunch of con artists - the lot of them.

yep the narrative has been spun already. wonder if anyone will remind ivan of his famous words "the fans will decide winger's fate, if they make his position unteneable" ....something to that effect

either way we the fans are shafted seeing that wenger willing on. let's just give him total hell for the next couple of seasons

[Maestro]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/ivan-gazidis-sends-clear-message-10145060

yep he's definitely staying unless the fans make it really toxic for him. board/owner trying to cover their arses with the supposed "major changes" bullshit

[Niall_Quinn]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/ivan-gazidis-sends-clear-message-10145060

yep he's definitely staying unless the fans make it really toxic for him. board/owner trying to cover their arses with the supposed "major changes" bullshit

We're signing Messi. You can't complain about that, surely?

[mastermind84]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8cHwscXgAIbasb.jpg

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

First of all, i hate this expression but as long as Wenger is at the club any change to coaching, director of football etc is just arranging the deck chairs on the titanic.

Second of all, Wenger is never going to agree to these type of changes

Third of all, What power does Gazidis have to force these type of changes, Wenger doesn't want to change....Kroenke will overrule any board attempt to make him change.

Expect nothing new.

[Marc Overmars]

First of all, i hate this expression but as long as Wenger is at the club any change to coaching, director of football etc is just arranging the deck chairs on the titanic.

Second of all, Wenger is never going to agree to these type of changes

Third of all, What power does Gazidis have to force these type of changes, Wenger doesn't want to change....Kroenke will overrule any board attempt to make him change.

Expect nothing new.

Maybe this 2 year deal comes with the proviso that a succession plan is put in place over the course of it? Not that I'd find that acceptable but it's the only way another Wenger contract could even remotely be tenable.

It's too late in the day though for all of this, a plan should have been put in place from the moment he signed in 2014. He's run out of credit now because we're almost certainly going to finish below Spurs and don't look capable of even putting a run together to get 4th. We don't need to concern ourselves with tales from United making the wrong decision with Moyes, that decline is already happening for us with the manager deemed a safe pair of hands.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Maybe this 2 year deal comes with the proviso that a succession plan is put in place over the course of it? Not that I'd find that acceptable but it's the only way another Wenger contract could even remotely be tenable.

It's too late in the day though for all of this, a plan should have been put in place from the moment he signed in 2014. He's run out of credit now because we're almost certainly going to finish below Spurs and don't look capable of even putting a run together to get 4th. We don't need to concern ourselves with tales from United making the wrong decision with Moyes, that decline is already happening for us with the manager deemed a safe pair of hands.

There won't be a succession plan because Wenger will refuse to say whether he plans to stay after that point or not.

I think the two year deal is paper talk, if he signs a new deal it will be a standard three year deal.

[Marc Overmars]

I think the two year deal is paper talk, if he signs a new deal it will be a standard three year deal.

Good lord.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Good lord.

I think we need to reconcile ourselves to the fact that nothing is going to change. Kroenke is happy and he's the only one that matters in the current board structure.

[Marc Overmars]

I think we need to reconcile ourselves to the fact that nothing is going to change. Kroenke is happy and he's the only one that matters in the current board structure.

I certainly don't think anything is going to change. The board want him to stay, he wants to stay.

I'd just be flabbergasted at the brass neck of carrying on like there's nothing to see here.

[selassie]

I certainly don't think anything is going to change. The board want him to stay, he wants to stay.

I'd just be flabbergasted at the brass neck of carrying on like there's nothing to see here.

If...or should I say once we string a few wins together I think Wenger will resort to type by sniping and giving us all the "I told you we wouldn't get relegated" rhetoric.

Wenger is desperate to sign on and stay, he may have signed on already....but one thing I wouldn't put past him is reverting to type and continuing as is. He has been doing this stuff for nearly 10 years now...he's not going to change....because he won't and can't. Whilst I don't think he's under any illusions about the discontent I do think he believes that not a lot is wrong...you know how he rolls.

[Globalgunner]

He is being universally roasted in all the media outlets i can see. He is the object of jokes and derision by football pundits from Andorra through Hungary to New Zealand. The man has absolutely no shame.
Just GTFO!.
PSG has issued a come take over invitation, but he wont take it because by Xmas they will be 15 points behind Monaco and Lyon. He would be out on his ear by January. Charlatan!

[Letters]

:rolleyes:

[GP]

Innit.

[Niall_Quinn]

I think we need to reconcile ourselves to the fact that nothing is going to change. Kroenke is happy and he's the only one that matters in the current board structure.

One thing is going to change for sure. If Wenger doesn't go then I'm not following Arsenal in any way next season. There are so many other useful things to take up the time with. Sitting there watching a tired old man go through the motions so he can achieve what could have been predicted before he began, that's a pure abuse of precious time.

Have to say, I don't much like the players either. None of them engage the emotions, they are like droids. Alexis and perhaps Ox excepted. Wright, Adams, Bergkamp, Pires, Henry, even Arshavin. These were characters worth watching. The current lot? They can't even energise themselves so little wonder they can't get fans off the seat. I guess Theo is an exception too, maybe only because I see him as a link to a better, if not perfect, past. Jack Wilshere, bit of a toe rag but a character nonetheless. The facts he's off played elsewhere and hasn't been able to make it at this club is another sign that everything that was Arsenal has drained away.

Wonder if fans from other clubs are feeling it too - the lack of any substance to this game now.

Anyway, Wenger can keep what he built and, despite his claims, it's not much. Just a corporate brand going through the motions of collecting money for a product I thought I couldn't live without but now I don't need it.

[rodders]

Agree with a comment I saw recently "Arsenal can no longer call themselves one of the elite"

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

One thing is going to change for sure. If Wenger doesn't go then I'm not following Arsenal in any way next season. There are so many other useful things to take up the time with. Sitting there watching a tired old man go through the motions so he can achieve what could have been predicted before he began, that's a pure abuse of precious time.

Have to say, I don't much like the players either. None of them engage the emotions, they are like droids. Alexis and perhaps Ox excepted. Wright, Adams, Bergkamp, Pires, Henry, even Arshavin. These were characters worth watching. The current lot? They can't even energise themselves so little wonder they can't get fans off the seat. I guess Theo is an exception too, maybe only because I see him as a link to a better, if not perfect, past. Jack Wilshere, bit of a toe rag but a character nonetheless. The facts he's off played elsewhere and hasn't been able to make it at this club is another sign that everything that was Arsenal has drained away.

Wonder if fans from other clubs are feeling it too - the lack of any substance to this game now.

Anyway, Wenger can keep what he built and, despite his claims, it's not much. Just a corporate brand going through the motions of collecting money for a product I thought I couldn't live without but now I don't need it.

Yeah i think sports personalities in general are lacking the key word "personality" now

Everyone is so PR trained and afraid to say anything controversial or interesting

Take Tennis, you don't get any McEnroes anymore, the last one of that ilk was Roddick.....yeah he came across like a spoilt kid a lot of the time but he would actually say what he thought.

Federer is amazing to watch on the tennis court even at 35 he can keep pace with people 10-15 years younger than him, but he's a boring individual in interviews.....it was faux controversy when Wawrinka called him an "arse hole" after Indian Wells even though it was clearly a joke which Federer laughed at.

[mastermind84]

Agree with a comment I saw recently "Arsenal can no longer call themselves one of the elite"
we could never call Arsenal that.

The whole stadium move was to move us into that class and it never happened.

[Maestro]

Time to unmask the fake five, that's about the only thing left to do on here

[selassie]

He is being universally roasted in all the media outlets i can see. He is the object of jokes and derision by football pundits from Andorra through Hungary to New Zealand. The man has absolutely no shame.
Just GTFO!.
PSG has issued a come take over invitation, but he wont take it because by Xmas they will be 15 points behind Monaco and Lyon. He would be out on his ear by January. Charlatan!

Wenger wouldn't last a season at PSG or Barca or Real or wherever else he thinks he's wanted!

[rodders]

Wenger have you no pride, have you no decency have you no integrity? The club is in its present state because of you, players want to leave because of you , players have left in the past because of you. Even your greatest fans say you are not tactically astute. You have had more than enough time to see the problems and to put them right, but you cannot even see there is a problem.

[Niall_Quinn]

Wenger have you no pride, have you no decency have you no integrity? The club is in its present state because of you, players want to leave because of you , players have left in the past because of you. Even your greatest fans say you are not tactically astute. You have had more than enough time to see the problems and to put them right, but you cannot even see there is a problem.

A) Be careful what you wish for.
B) You didn't win European trophies before Wenger arrived.
C) It is unprofessional not to honour a contract.
D) Wenger has done an amazing job with very few resources.
E) 20 years in the Champions League is success.
F) If we wanted to win titles Kroenke would never have bought the club.
G) Wenger has more to give.
H) People have opinions but they don't know the facts.
I) What Wenger has done for this club is incredible.
J) It was raining.
K) The referee was terrible.
L) We lacked a little bit of sharpness due to the unfair fixture schedule.
M) When the injured players return they will be like new signings.
N) We are only interested in quality and that is not easy to find.
O) The pitch was difficult.
P) We had enough chances to win but lacked sharpness in front of goal.
Q) We lacked mental strength.
R) We had all the possession and were the only team that wanted to play.
S) For me it looked offside.
T) We didn't expect them to be so committed, it took us by surprise.
U) We made defensive errors.
V) Top 4 is like a trophy.
W) How many substitutions have you made?
X) We do not worry when a player has 18 months left on his contract.
Y) We almost signed him, we looked.
Z) I did not see it.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

The empty seats for 13 minutes protest seems to have caught on

I prefer to stay away for 90 minutes but fair play to them

[Bumble]

Spoke to someone today that is a wenger remainer and he is a season ticket holder. he didn't want wenger to leave if we finished 6th but it we won the cup and finished top 4 then that would be a good time to leave.

[Marc Overmars]

Spoke to someone today that is a wenger remainer and he is a season ticket holder. he didn't want wenger to leave if we finished 6th but it we won the cup and finished top 4 then that would be a good time to leave.

People who want him to stay never seem to have any footballing rationale. It's purely down to sentiment and a fear of the unknown.

[Bumble]

People who want him to stay never seem to have any footballing rationale. It's purely down to sentiment and a fear of the unknown.

yep that's basically what he said that it was the unknown so its better to stick with Wenger.

[fakeyank]

yep that's basically what he said that it was the unknown so its better to stick with Wenger.

And that is why I think we need to lose as many of our remaining games as possible. Our last few games look hard this season and a couple of humiliations will do this club a world of good.

[selassie]

This is one of the main reasons to why he needs to go, the part highlighted where he talks about our British core! They remain integral? Why? None of these guys get in the team on a regular basis. I want us to have a nucleus of home grown players but ones that add real quality to the team, all we have to do is look at our neighbours to see how you integrate and develop quality homegrown players.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/04/09/arsene-wenger-insists-british-core-remains-pivotal-arsenal-vision/


Arsene Wenger is adamant that a British core remains integral to his Arsenal vision and intends to offer new contracts to Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, Jack Wilshere and Kieran Gibbs this summer.

All three are out of contract next year and have often struggled for regular first-team football but, having deliberately built around a group of domestic players that also includes Theo Walcott and Aaron Ramsey, Wenger says Arsenal should persist with this nucleus.

A photo of Wilshere, Gibbs, Carl Jenkinson, Ramsey and Oxlade-Chamberlain all signing new contracts in December 2012 became symbolic of the new era that Wenger hoped to create but there has been varying disappointment at the rate of their progress. Ramsey’s contract expires in 2019 and a renegotiation is also likely this year.

Asked if he wanted to preserve his British core, Wenger said: “Yes. We still have a group of young players but we have to keep them all. We have Ramsey, Chamberlain, Wilshere, Gibbs. All these players, we have to make decisions and manage to keep them together.”

Wenger was also adamant that he could be “ruthless” in managing his wage spend but such a strong statement of faith in players who have yet fully to deliver is likely to surprise many fans. There was a particularly strong endorsement of Oxlade-Chamberlain, who has become uncertain whether he wants to stay even after playing more regular this season in central midfield.

“I personally think it is vital that Chamberlain stays at Arsenal,” said Wenger. “We bought him when he was very young and we have built him up. I like his mentality and he has a good football brain. It would be a big damage for us to lose this kind of player.

“In an inflationary market we have to consider the situation as a whole. We have to dedicate the money for everybody. First of all, we need to keep the good players. After, if they have the culture of the club, it is a priority as well but first it is good players with good mentality. Mohamed Elneny behaves really top class, like he has played here 10 years so you have to consider that as well."

Having repeatedly said over recent months that there is no rush on the contracts of players like Alexis Sanchez and Mesut Ozil, whose deals expire in 2018, Wenger also agreed that he could not let players get into the final year of their contracts. “No, but we will be done this year,” he said.

Ozil again reaffirmed yesterday that Wenger’s own future will be central this summer to his decision and believes that Arsenal must strengthen to challenge the very best. “I think the club know they need to strengthen," he said. “When you look at our squad, it's not as broad as Bayern [Munich]'s or Real Madrid's. In the Champions League, that's not enough, especially against big teams. It's important to know if he [Wenger] stays or if he goes. We need to think towards next season.

"He's very important. In my career I've always made decisions not just because of clubs but managers. We still have a super understanding today. I have his trust, he's a superb coach. He's been successful for many years, he's been here for 20 years and has always managed to get Arsenal to reach the Champions League. He deserves to be shown respect."

Arsenal play Crystal Palace at Selhurst Park tonight, with the fixture assuming huge importance for both teams following the weekend’s results. The gap for Arsenal to the top four is back up to seven points, while Wenger faces a dilemma over whether to bring Oxlade-Chamberlain or Ramsey back into his midfield following strong midweek performances from Granit Xhaka and Elneny.

Wenger acknowledged that Oxlade-Chamberlain must work on his defensive contribution to further develop in the centre. “He is offensive; you can see he is a guy who can get out of pressure,” said Wenger. “He has a dribbling skill and acceleration that can get you out of pressure. He can penetrate. Sometimes on the flank he is out of the game but in the middle he is more focused. He needs to be involved in the game.”

Of the doubts over his defensive abilities, Wenger said: “Yes, he does not have enough experience in that position. He is a player who likes to take the ball and go at people sometimes. I think that this will get out of his game. “He can lose balls but defensively he is strong in the challenge when he wants to switch on. He has that kind of robustness to deal with body to body which is very important in the Premier League.

“He is one of the guys who sometimes is too harsh with his own performance. You can see he is blaming himself on the pitch sometimes when he misses something. You can see sometimes the fact that he is still in what he has missed when he gets the ball again. He works on that and I think he has improved a lot.”

[Globalgunner]

These players are so important to Arsenal but only 1 of them (Ox) gets a look in at England level and Ramsey is as indispensable as bog roll. Sanity has long left the building where Wenger is concerned. Delusioned no longer covers it.

[Marc Overmars]

Our British core turned out to be naff. The quota is probably the only reason we're keeping hold of them.

[Niall_Quinn]

Ox is going to be a great player - for another team. He'd be a fool to hang around here though. Wenger still has no idea what his starting 11 is, and there's no sign he's found a clue. He still manages on the basis of keeping players happy. And he still has his favourites regardless of form. He's built up all these players but only a small handful are genuinely decent and have the mentality to succeed. The rest have failed, failed and failed again but Wenger doesn't and won't accept that. I mean why would we want to keep Gibbs? This player hasn't improved one bit from when we first saw him. And Wilshere isn't even at the club, so what are our serious plans for him? Bring him back, give him even more money, get him injured, pay the medical bills? The Diaby fiasco told us all we need to know about Wenger and how he views the players. He's convinced himself certain players are good enough. He's convinced himself crocks will one day recover and pump out full seasons. He claims he "could" be ruthless, but in reality there's no chance. He's soft as hell when it comes to the players.

[Power n Glory]

This is one of the main reasons to why he needs to go, the part highlighted where he talks about our British core! They remain integral? Why? None of these guys get in the team on a regular basis. I want us to have a nucleus of home grown players but ones that add real quality to the team, all we have to do is look at our neighbours to see how you integrate and develop quality homegrown players.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/04/09/arsene-wenger-insists-british-core-remains-pivotal-arsenal-vision/

Piss poor management and development. We’ve dedicated years to these guys. All talented but with crucial flaws that will stop them from progressing on to the next level and it’s not through any fault of their own. None of them really strike me as players that don’t work hard enough or care about the club. They have poor teachers and are having to develop in the wrong environment.

All of the British core players are just as raw as they day they played in the first team. Improvement is marginal and their limitations badly exposed. Any youngster looking on should look to move elsewhere.

[Niall_Quinn]

And Wenger swings from one extreme to the other, always missing the sweet spot. Before this latest decade long policy of giving players an eternity to succeed he had his dumb as fuck 30+ policy where we lost some great players through his sheer bloody mindedness.

[Globalgunner]

And Wenger swings from one extreme to the other, always missing the sweet spot. Before this latest decade long policy of giving players an eternity to succeed he had his dumb as fuck 30+ policy where we lost some great players through his sheer bloody mindedness.

I believe that policy came from his insecurities about how to deal with strong characters. It made them either pliant or absent. It failed as all his teams since lacked the very characteristic that made his early teams successful. Wenger thought he could succeed with a different type of player. Safe to say, it didnt work.

[Niall_Quinn]

Who are those 6? The shame.

[Niall_Quinn]

Chris Wenger, Ty, Letters, Chris Wenger's second account. Chris Wenger's 3rd account and his 4th account.

Trouble with that is Chris Wenger probably has 80 or 90 accounts so I'm not sure he's voted in this at all.

Real mystery.

[Marc Overmars]

But what about Moyes at United?

[AFC Leveller]

Desperately hoping for one of those breaking news red alerts on sky saying he's been sacked or asked to leave bit it's wishful thinking really, the guy will never leave.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Red Alert. :lol:

Great game.

Also, bye.

[LDG]

He could check out any time he wants
But he will never leave

Welcome to the hotel Arsene Wenger

[rodders]

For Gods sake go now!!

[Özim]

He should decide when he leaves and how much he gets paid and whether his boss can tell him what to do, because of all the great things he did over a decade ago, noone has a divine right to have a job except for Wenger, noone has the right to say any different because the club wasn't even in the CL before he arrived and they haven't made 20000 substitutions.

Anyway we're 2% away from domination, we're just lacking a little bit of sharpness, but we have great spirit and togetherness and great mental strength, we're only lost because of bad luck or because it rained.

[KSE Comedy Club]

But what about Moyes at United?I don't think he has an account on GW :shrug:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

AST having spoken to Arsenal, who have denied that a contract offer has been made.

Someone is telling porkies.

[Marc Overmars]

I think we'll probably have our announcement after the cup semi final.

[AFC Leveller]

I think we'll probably have our announcement after the cup semi final.
Agree, a loss there and hopefully an announcement that he's leaving on June.

Wishful thinking of course because he's not gonna walk away from a dream job like this, he openly says he doesn't have a life after arsenal.

[Niall_Quinn]

Arsenal are a giant sea turtle with a plastic beer ring stuck around its neck, the plastic has been cutting for years, and the pain has been there… but now it’s deadly. Wenger has positioned the beer ring as a fashion accessory to be admired. Now the folly of that view is over, gangrene has settled in, and dark days are upon us.


Wenger is overseeing a farce. He’s made the whole season about him and his decision. What’s laughable is that no one wants him to sign, he’s playing hard to get in a prison cell of two… himself and Stan K.


So look, this isn’t going to be a fun few weeks… but I can assure you, the nuclear end to our season that we’re witnessing is the best one, because a weak Wenger, with no leverage, with no moronic fans singing his name… is one who is going to have to suck up a new world order that doesn’t have him front and centre.

http://le-grove.co.uk/2017/04/11/read-how-arsenals-nuclear-season-collapse-has-major-benefits-to-our-future/

[Globalgunner]

Has he resigned yet? Borkodilio!

[GP]

The infamous "War Chest" stories are doing the rounds today. Trying to soften the blow.

[selassie]

http://le-grove.co.uk/2017/04/11/read-how-arsenals-nuclear-season-collapse-has-major-benefits-to-our-future/

Great article NQ, I really enjoyed reading that.




Here’s the interesting part, the next few weeks could culminate in a very nasty home ground episode. We play Boro’ away next, they’ll be tough because they have such a solid defence. Then we go on a horrible run.

City in the cup is likely to be a loss, Arsenal under pressure against a good team only ends in one scenario for me. Then we have a home game vs Leicester which doesn’t look good, then it’s Spurs away which is looking like a loss, and then the nightmare… Jose Mourinho at home. We could be on our 3rd straight defeat. Out of the CL race, out of the FA Cup, witnessing the worst performance under Wenger ever.

Those two home games will be a chance for the fans to actually voice their anger. That’s our chance to tell Ivan and Stan this carry on has gone on too far. That’s our chance to let Arsene know the majority no longer sit with him.

What we want out of this is simple. Actual change that goes with the contract. See you later Gerry Peyton, Boro Piromac, Tony Colbert and Steve Rowley. Hello Director of Football and welcome to the job of reworking our squad and backroom team without Arsene Wenger pulling the strings. Welcome to new coaches, with an equal spread of power, responsibility and accountability. Welcome Arsene, to a more democratic setup that weakens your grip on the club so at the end of your tenure… your switch out is as breezy as a Chelsea managerial sacking.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Was speaking to my brother last night and he remains convinced he will go, saying if the players aren't playing for you and the fans have turned on you your position is untenable.

I said to him you are looking at it as though Arsenal is a normal football club that looks at things that way, he's saying that even if Wenger doesn't go that Kroenke will push him because the depression in share values from missing out on champions league football and the likelihood that he won't be able to take us back into it.

It's possible although unlikely, he's never seemed like he's been interested in stemming the mediocrity in any of his other sports franchises.

[Marc Overmars]

The infamous "War Chest" stories are doing the rounds today. Trying to soften the blow.

£200m to spend. :lol:

For the love of god don't give him another penny.

[selassie]

Was speaking to my brother last night and he remains convinced he will go, saying if the players aren't playing for you and the fans have turned on you your position is untenable.

I said to him you are looking at it as though Arsenal is a normal football club that looks at things that way, he's saying that even if Wenger doesn't go that Kroenke will push him because the depression in share values from missing out on champions league football and the likelihood that he won't be able to take us back into it.

It's possible although unlikely, he's never seemed like he's been interested in stemming the mediocrity in any of his other sports franchises.

I agree it's unlikely. As long as Stan's investment is doing well Wenger will carry on as is, Stan is too far removed from the club to care what the fans think.

The new TV deal money has gone a long way to resolving any issue we may have with missing out on CL...a couple of seasons out of CL will not harm Stan's investment.

If Wenger signs on we're screwed as a football team, I honestly hand on heart think we'll be finishing 6th and 7th for the next few seasons, he's finished and a level below the managers of the other Top 5 or whatever you want to call them.

[GP]

It feels like the only way he's leaving if if he wants to leave.

At the moment, it looks like he wants to stay.

[Letters]

It feels like the only way he's leaving if if he wants to leave.

At the moment, it looks like he wants to stay.

It is bizarre. People have repeatedly say that he's not under pressure and I've always responded that of course he's under pressure but only to deliver what the board expect - CL football and the money that brings, and he always has. I've always thought that had we slipped seriously down the table he'd have been long gone, but here we are with very little chance of finishing top 4 and Wenger apparently being handed a new contract on a plate. Bizarre.
Maybe the board see it as a one off and would only sack him if it was a more sustained period outside the CL places. They must care how we do to some extent even if it's only in relation to the money that brings in.

[GP]

It is bizarre. People have repeatedly say that he's not under pressure and I've always responded that of course he's under pressure but only to deliver what the board expect - CL football and the money that brings, and he always has. I've always thought that had we slipped seriously down the table he'd have been long gone, but here we are with very little chance of finishing top 4 and Wenger apparently being handed a new contract on a plate. Bizarre.
Maybe the board see it as a one off and would only sack him if it was a more sustained period outside the CL places. They must care how we do to some extent even if it's only in relation to the money that brings in.

We had quotes from Gazidis years ago syaing that not being in the Champions League would be ok.

The real issue is if they sack Wenger then they might actually have to do some work.

[Niall_Quinn]

£200m to spend. :lol:

For the love of god don't give him another penny.

We could get 6 or 7 more Mustafis for that. Happy days!

War chests :bow:

[Niall_Quinn]

Arsenal’s £1billion valuation following a record-breaking share deal explains absentee owner Stan Kroenke’s reluctance to ditch besieged manager Arsene Wenger.

The last Arsenal transaction on the NEX Exchange on March 27 saw a single share in the club trade for an unprecedented £17,750 — putting the club’s market capitalisation at £1.073bn.

That means Kroenke is sitting on a paper fortune of £700million from his 67 per cent stake on the back of Wenger’s consistent management, which fans are clamouring to end.

Wenger’s achievement in keeping Arsenal in the Champions League every season has seen the share price rise from £8,000, at which Kroenke bought David Dein’s holding, past £11,500 — Kroenke’s offer to shareholders following his takeover — to the current sky-high number.

If Kroenke sold at this record price, he would make a £300m profit. No wonder he is in no rush to disrupt Wenger’s regime, even after the 3-0 horror show at Crystal Palace.

Silent Stan can also put his Arsenal shareholding up as a guarantee if he leverages money for the new stadium being built in Los Angeles for his relocated American football franchise LA Rams.

This is why we love the game :bow:

[Özim]

£200m to spend. :lol:

For the love of god don't give him another penny.

:lol: War chest, the only thing this club and would do in a war is run away.

[Letters]

:lol: War chest, the only thing this club and would do in a war is run away.

Like the French?

;)

[Letters]

This is why we love the game :bow:

We. Are. Top of the [financial] League, I said We Are Top of the [financial] League!


Well, top 4, definitely.

:ilt:

[Özim]

Like the French?

;)

:lol: Wenger is French after all.

[selassie]

£200m to spend. :lol:

For the love of god don't give him another penny.

:lol:

I wouldn't trust him to adequately fill a single position in the team let alone rebuild the squad. We have been waiting for a striker for about 6 years now and look at what he has done to Central Midfield. :sulk:

[Özim]

I did like Wengers comment the other day about top 4, in the past he's said he's qualified for the CL for x amount of years running, now that we're struggling he turns it around and say it shows how hard it is.

We've been terrible this season and have lost quite a few games and we're not that far behind, so at the moment it doesn't seem that hard tbh.

[Letters]

How is that turning it around? Isn't he making the same point?

[GP]

How is that turning it around? Isn't he making the same point?

Doubling down, if anything.

[Letters]

It is hard to finish top 4 as consistently as he has, he is a little too proud of doing so but at the same time some clubs have spent a LOT of money trying to achieve it and not all have succeeded.
The issue right now is the players just aren't playing for him or each other. It's a toxic situation and won't get any better while he stays manager.

[Özim]

How is that turning it around? Isn't he making the same point?

The way I see it, he's using it as a defence of the distaster that's taken place this season as in "look how hard it is to get top 4, it's not so bad if we don't make it after all".

We've been absolutely awful this season, losing left right and centre and in reality we aren't that far behind 4th place which just shows it's not that hard to get top 4, if it was we'd be miles behind based on our performance this season.

[Letters]

If it's not that hard then how come so many sides have spent so much and failed to achieve it consistently?
It doesn't leave that much margin for error.

[Özim]

If it's not that hard then how come so many sides have spent so much and failed to achieve it consistently?
It doesn't leave that much margin for error.

Money isn't always the answer, it takes more than that, if you're a good side top 4 is not a big problem unless you have problems in the dressing room or the mentality isn't right.

Spurs after years of struggling are now easily in the top 4 as they have the right manager, Chelsea when on song always make it, the sides outside the top 4 aren't really all that IMO.

Yes we've done well getting there every season, so credit where credits due, but it's not as hard as he claims IMO.

English football isn't great at the moment, we can see that from results in Europe.

What I was picking up on is how he has come out and said look how hard it is as if it excuses how poor a season we've had, it doesn't, we're not in the top 4 because we've been terrible this year, no other reason.

[Niall_Quinn]

It has been EASY for the top clubs to finish top 4 over the last few years - which is the only reason Wenger has managed it. We've had the chavs, Utd, the gypos all in various states of rebuilding. Liverpool are predictably inconsistent. The spuds have had massive player clear outs and wasted tons on dodgy players up until very recently where their squad has settled down. We have enjoyed several seasons where UTD are not challenging at the top. So the challenge has been MUCH EASIER.

Leicester City took advantage of this - didn't they? And won a bloody title.

Wenger couldn't do it though. Not with a club as powerful as Arsenal and a stable and settled environment. He doesn't have a leg to stand on. His excuses and alleged reasons are bullshit. The challenge got easier and he got worse.

[Globalgunner]

If you throw enough money at a problem, eventually you will get it right. We are in the top 4 league of spenders and have been top 4. City have been in it since spending money so have Chelsea, United have consistently been top of the spending charts. Wenger has done well but not overachieved by any exceeding margin. Spuds spend 50& less than us every year and have harried Wenger for the last 10 years.

Either way, he has been found out this season, it is irredeemable for him. He may spend money but it will be a waste, always going for the left field option hoping he can come out of it with a wink and smirk saying, I told you so, Sanogo is just as good as the 50m options.

The good news is AST confirming that there is no 2 year extension option on offer as at today. Get rid for the love of God,

[Letters]

Top 4 was always going to be more of a scrap this year, there are more sides who have got their act together.
But we're going to fail to get in there not because we have bad players but because we're a bad team.
Chelsea showed what happens last year when a manager has lost the dressing room and they're showing this year what happens when they start playing for the manager and each other again. Our lot aren't doing either.

[Niall_Quinn]

If you throw enough money at a problem, eventually you will get it bright. We are in the top 4 league of spenders and have been top 4. City have been in it since spending money so have Chelsea, United have consistently been top of the spending charts. Wenger has done well but not overachieved by any exceeding margin. Spuds spend 50& less than us every year and have harried Wenger for the last 10 years.

Either way, he has been found out this season, it is irredeemable for him. He may spend money but it will be a waste, always going for the left field option hoping he can come out of it with a wink and smirk saying, I told you so, Sanogo is just as good as the 50m options.

The good news is AST confirming that there is no 2 year extension option on offer as at today. Get rid for the love of God,

It's probably a 3 year offer.

[Niall_Quinn]

Top 4 was always going to be more of a scrap this year, there are more sides who have got their act together.
But we're going to fail to get in there not because we have bad players but because we're a bad team.
Chelsea showed what happens last year when a manager has lost the dressing room and they're showing this year what happens when they start playing for the manager and each other again. Our lot aren't doing either.

Exactly. It was always going to be tougher this year because things have been settling down at our rivals. The window of opportunity has gone. Crazy advantages like Moyes at Utd and the chavs self destructing have been spurned. Advantages like the gypos sacking their manager and keeping him on until the end of the season, wasted. Wenger failed to capitalise on any of it and now we see him exposed as the power of the teams around him ramps up.

[Globalgunner]

Next season will be even worse. Everton have also come into some money. God help us if he stays

[Letters]

Interestingly, and slightly surprisingly, we're only 1 point behind where we were at this stage last season.
Consistency :bow:
Wenger :bow:

[GP]

3 more years! :bow:

[KSE Comedy Club]

Interestingly, and slightly surprisingly, we're only 1 point behind where we were at this stage last season.
Consistency :bow:
Wenger :bow:

Interesting.

So everyone else is around 5-6+ points better off than they were last season :coffee:

Poor old Wenger, I see what he means now......

'Its not that WE are worse, its that everyone else is BETTER this time'.

How can we compete with that?

[Marc Overmars]

Interestingly, and slightly surprisingly, we're only 1 point behind where we were at this stage last season.
Consistency :bow:
Wenger :bow:

It's not that surprising tbh. We were utterly shit at this stage last year as well. Shows how crap the competition was that we were anywhere near the top.

Normal service resumed this year though and we've been left well behind. Last year was the real crime, this year has just reaffirmed what we already knew.

[Letters]

Kinda feels worse this year.

In other news one of my FB friends has just proudly posted that he is going to the FA Cup Semi-final because he's not missed a game all year.

Him :doh:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Kinda feels worse this year.

In other news one of my FB friends has just proudly posted that he is going to the FA Cup Semi-final because he's not missed a game all year.

Him :doh:

It's definitely worse this year, there were poor results but there was nothing like the absolutely diabolical run we've been on since January 31st.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

In the next month we have to play 7 times, and it could be a real punishment

Middlesborough (A), City (FA Cup), Leicester (H), Spurs (A), Man United (H), Southampton (A), Stoke (A)

Either something has to change or we will be the footballing equivalent of Gerald McClellan by the end of these games.

[Marc Overmars]

Looking at that, if we don't beat Boro and Leicester then I think we are in danger of finishing below Everton.

[mastermind84]

Top 4 was always going to be more of a scrap this year, there are more sides who have got their act together.
But we're going to fail to get in there not because we have bad players but because we're a bad team.
Chelsea showed what happens last year when a manager has lost the dressing room and they're showing this year what happens when they start playing for the manager and each other again. Our lot aren't doing either.

I dont think these players don't like playing for Wumger. They care. They falter because they have no structure.

[Letters]

I dont think these players don't like playing for Wumger. They care. They falter because they have no structure.

I dunno. I pretty much never watch Arsenal these days but a mate emailed me about it and said the Palace game it was like a training game. Walcott said afterwards that Palace wanted it more.
Doesn't seem like they're giving it their all.
And there was that still from the West Brom game, one of the goals. Here:


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/03/18/16/3E67B61500000578-0-image-a-13_1489852806192.jpg

I mean, come on. Look at the players feet. Look how many are just planted, watching. Look at the guy on the edge of the area completely unmarked in case of any rebounds. That isn't bad coaching or bad tactics, that is just them collectively giving up.
They don't seem to be playing for Wenger or each other.

[Penguin]

Yeah but you could go back to any season and find us defending set pieces like idiots. Wouldn't be surprised if we only spend 10 minutes in the week to practice them.

Look who's in the box in that picture - Koscielny, Mustafi, Welbeck, Ox, Theo etc. None of those lot have the kind of character to say 'nah can't be bothered to defend this'. But they're also typical Wenger players who let their heads drop when we're on a bad run. There's no leaders there telling everyone where they should be. Obviously nobody off the pitch is doing that either...

[Marc Overmars]

Yeah but you could go back to any season and find us defending set pieces like idiots. Wouldn't be surprised if we only spend 10 minutes in the week to practice them.

Look who's in the box in that picture - Koscielny, Mustafi, Welbeck, Ox, Theo etc. None of those lot have the kind of character to say 'nah can't be bothered to defend this'. But they're also typical Wenger players who let their heads drop when we're on a bad run. There's no leaders there telling everyone where they should be. Obviously nobody off the pitch is doing that either...

Well there was one player trying to lead by example in Alexis, but he was ostracised for it and now it appears he's given up too. Can't have any of this crazy leadership business at our club, only quiet and timid guys that are easy for the manager to brainwash his philosophy into.

[fakeyank]

Looking at that, if we don't beat Boro and Leicester then I think we are in danger of finishing below Everton.

I see nothing wrong with that. In fact, it'd be in the clubs best interest to finish as low in the table as possible... oh, and add in a couple of absolute stuffings and we just might have the secret ingredient to have change at the club.

[mastermind84]

I dunno. I pretty much never watch Arsenal these days but a mate emailed me about it and said the Palace game it was like a training game. Walcott said afterwards that Palace wanted it more.
Doesn't seem like they're giving it their all.
And there was that still from the West Brom game, one of the goals. Here:


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/03/18/16/3E67B61500000578-0-image-a-13_1489852806192.jpg

I mean, come on. Look at the players feet. Look how many are just planted, watching. Look at the guy on the edge of the area completely unmarked in case of any rebounds. That isn't bad coaching or bad tactics, that is just them collectively giving up.
They don't seem to be playing for Wenger or each other.

you could go back to the Invincibles and a find a still this bad.

That play was all about poor implementation of tactics.

[mastermind84]

Well there was one player trying to lead by example in Alexis, but he was ostracised for it and now it appears he's given up too. Can't have any of this crazy leadership business at our club, only quiet and timid guys that are easy for the manager to brainwash his philosophy into.

Alexis is not a leader. Never has been and hasnt here.

[Niall_Quinn]

I see nothing wrong with that. In fact, it'd be in the clubs best interest to finish as low in the table as possible... oh, and add in a couple of absolute stuffings and we just might have the secret ingredient to have change at the club.

You do have to wonder just how bad it would have to get before somebody at the club took action, or even spoke out. Because what do we have as we witness this collapse? Total silence. Enduring secrecy. There's not a single indication from anywhere that anything is actively being done to rescue this situation. We've heard stories in the press suggesting Wenger's role might be diluted and focused on the football, but if true that would be a bigger disaster. He'd have even more time to fuck up the team. Besides, he's already dropped hints that such moves do not meet his papal approval. It may take total collapse and riots in the stadium to get any of these bastards to do their jobs.

[Niall_Quinn]

you could go back to the Invincibles and a find a still this bad.

That play was all about poor implementation of tactics.

Agreed. You could pick any eleven players in football today and you'd get the same result. Adams and Co were schooled in an entirely different environment and had plenty to cling on to once the Wenger regime took hold. But after 20 years the Wenger Way means nothing except his removal can solve the repetitive and uncorrected problems that plague every team he's ever put out. Wenger has his cast iron beliefs in terms of how football should be played. Those beliefs are unshakable, doesn't matter how many times he sees his philosophy ripped to shreds in a pub and rush PL match, he still won't compromise, he won't give an inch. Maybe he thinks the whole of football will change to his way of thinking. So we wait to see if that impossibility will happen. It's insane. As a football man he'd have been shunned years ago. But nobody can dispute his ability to turn shit into hard cash, certainly Kroenke doesn't question him. And that's the only reason why Wenger is still here.

[Ernesto]

Yeah but you could go back to any season and find us defending set pieces like idiots. Wouldn't be surprised if we only spend 10 minutes in the week to practice them.

Look who's in the box in that picture - Koscielny, Mustafi, Welbeck, Ox, Theo etc. None of those lot have the kind of character to say 'nah can't be bothered to defend this'. But they're also typical Wenger players who let their heads drop when we're on a bad run. There's no leaders there telling everyone where they should be. Obviously nobody off the pitch is doing that either...

Tactically, under Wenger, we're so bloody awful at both defending and attacking corners and we always have been. As someone mentioned, even for the invincibles it was never an outlet for scoring which is disgusting and abhorrent at our level.

We always wait for the opposition to get the first touch on a corner and therefore breathe a sigh of relief when the opposition play a short one. We never attack corners, even when we defend them we end up ball watching.

Taking the West Brom game as an example (it made for painfully obvious viewing when watching it in the stadium)...whenever WBA had an attacking corner, why didn't we leave Walcott or Sanchez, or, better still, both in the centre circle? This would draw their defenders who are more likely to score (and indeed did score) back rather than remain in the oppositions six Yard area. Furthermore, we could've employed the same tactic against Crystal Palace.

As far as the West Brom game goes, it was the difference between a draw and defeat

[mastermind84]

But nobody can dispute his ability to turn shit into hard cash, certainly Kroenke doesn't question him. And that's the only reason why Wenger is still here.

tbh, is he still good at that?

[Niall_Quinn]

tbh, is he still good at that?

For the first time, perhaps the machine has stuttered.

[Marc Overmars]

tbh, is he still good at that?

Nope, the TV deal has made the need for any profit from transfer dealings obsolete.

He's barely got any value for money from most of the signings he's made since 2013. Xhaka, Mustafi, Perez, Gabriel, Welbeck, Chambers, Debuchy, arguably Ozil. Hell of a lot money spent by our standards and Vermaelen is the only significant departure we've had in that period. The net spend is huge.

He can't be trusted with another 100m, he'll never extract the maximum quality from his signings because he's an average coach these days.

[GP]

For the first time, perhaps the machine has stuttered.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coZfzTcv4bA

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

In last four away games we have conceded more goals than in all our away games put together in 2001/2002

12 to 11

[Dein-machine]

In last four away games we have conceded more goals than in all our away games put together in 2001/2002

12 to 11

The inability to deal with our obvious defensive weaknesses is another glowing testament to Wengers capabiity as a manager. When you think that Ashley Cole was our last decent left back, Lee Dixon right back & Adams/Keown CB partnership - he's never got that stability since. Also says a lot about Bould & the lack of influence he either has or can give. Our weakness from set pieces has been obvious for years but he wants to buy 2nd rate ball playing 5ft 10 CB's which maay be OK in La Liga but not good enough to stand up to the direct football played in the Premier League.

[Munchies]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hh28sPbJso

:haha:

[Munchies]

Where is the die option in the poll?? :lol:

[AFC Leveller]

Arsene Wenger has blocked a boardroom move to install Gunners great Thierry Henry on the coaching staff until the end of the season.

The Frenchman has been primed to answer an Arsenal SOS by some board members, led by the influential Josh Kroenke, son of majority shareholder Stan.

Kroenke Jr believes the dressing room needs a lift and thinks Henry would sprinkle some gold dust on a club in danger of missing out on a top-four finish and Champions League football.

[Niall_Quinn]

Arsene Wenger has blocked a boardroom move to install Gunners great Thierry Henry on the coaching staff until the end of the season.

The Frenchman has been primed to answer an Arsenal SOS by some board members, led by the influential Josh Kroenke, son of majority shareholder Stan.

Kroenke Jr believes the dressing room needs a lift and thinks Henry would sprinkle some gold dust on a club in danger of missing out on a top-four finish and Champions League football.

What's the sauce? If true though, it's just another example of how NOTHING will change next season if this bloke helps himself and stays at the club.

[AFC Leveller]

What's the sauce? If true though, it's just another example of how NOTHING will change next season if this bloke helps himself and stays at the club.

Mirror

[GP]

Henry was offered a coaching role but turned it down to work at Sky, lets not forget.

[Globalgunner]

Henry was offered a coaching role but turned it down to work at Sky, lets not forget.

Steady on. He was already here as a coach while also doing the Sky pundit thing. Wenger took umbrage when he criticised the team on TV. Then he was asked to choose and left.

[Niall_Quinn]

Besides, Wenger has his own unique way of motivating the players. I doubt he wants anyone sane interfering with his methods.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

In fairness a coaching role and a sky pundit one simultaneously is pretty much unheard of and is not something any other high profile coach is doing regularly. Wenger was not necessarily wrong to make him choose.

[Power n Glory]

Wenger's had a comfy pundit role with French TV. Seems like a double standard.

[Niall_Quinn]

Wenger's had a comfy pundit role with French TV. Seems like a double standard.

That's different. The world demanded he speak so he had to oblige, reluctantly. For cash.

[rodders]

The gist of this story is that Wenger blocks any move that he perceives as a threat to him or anybody who has the temerity to disagree or criticise. Wenger has by his tunnel vision brought this club to the situation where I fear for the future. Arsenal are no longer in the Elite , top players do not want to come here and those that are here wish they were not. The board for some reason seem scared to call him to account.

[Globalgunner]

In fairness a coaching role and a sky pundit one simultaneously is pretty much unheard of and is not something any other high profile coach is doing regularly. Wenger was not necessarily wrong to make him choose.

Steven Gerrard at Pool is a pundit and coach. No its not unheard of. Im sure there are others. Difference is Wenger has ultra thin skin. Some say wafer thin.

[Gooner23]

If he were to leave in the summer I would be hopeful we could rebuild fairly quickly. However another 2 years of Wenger and I'd really fear for the position we'd find ourselves in.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

Steven Gerrard at Pool is a pundit and coach. No its not unheard of. Im sure there are others. Difference is Wenger has ultra thin skin. Some say wafer thin.

Very convenient to say that now...... that is a recent appointment and was not in place at the time of Henry choosing what he wanted. I take the point about the manager's underlying issues but in isolation I didn't think Wenger was wrong. But yes, I know we all have to do down his every decision and past achievement now we all want him out. I want him to go if only to hear the unbearable end of the hyper revisionism of his past!

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Henry is still a coach with Belgium too, so he'd have three jobs?

I don't think so. :lol:

[Globalgunner]

Very convenient to say that now...... that is a recent appointment and was not in place at the time of Henry choosing what he wanted. I take the point about the manager's underlying issues but in isolation I didn't think Wenger was wrong. But yes, I know we all have to do down his every decision and past achievement now we all want him out. I want him to go if only to hear the unbearable end of the hyper revisionism of his past!

You said it was unusual. Time has got little to do with it. Im sure if I could be bothered there would be other examples. Revisionism. Yeah, we are mentally erasing all those CL titles and PL wins in the last 13 years as we go, By the end of this season he will have none.

[Globalgunner]

Henry is still a coach with Belgium too, so he'd have three jobs?

I don't think so. :lol:

If he had been a coach with us I doubt he would have taken the Belgium job...at least I would hope so. If he took it now he would have to drop that gig. Its not happening anyway. Wenger rules the roost till May at least.

[Power n Glory]

Very convenient to say that now...... that is a recent appointment and was not in place at the time of Henry choosing what he wanted. I take the point about the manager's underlying issues but in isolation I didn't think Wenger was wrong. But yes, I know we all have to do down his every decision and past achievement now we all want him out. I want him to go if only to hear the unbearable end of the hyper revisionism of his past!

I didn't agree with that at all and couldn't see why something couldn't have been worked out. This is Thierry Henry and Arsene Wenger! They know each other and have a relationship. Why Wenger couldn't trust Henry to do both jobs professionally or to keep what he does at Arsenal out of his punditry work, I have no idea.

He trusted Henry enough to come back and train with the team when he was playing in New York. Different circumstances and roles and Thierry isn't the only former player to come back and work with the team in an unofficial role, but I think it's selfish of Wenger. These guys are good enough athletes and he's OK developing them physically, but seems unwilling to develop them mentally. Why hasn't he taken on a former player to mentor? Why not bring them on to do their coaching badges? He talks about giving back to the game but I don't like the look of this picture.

[Power n Glory]

You said it was unusual. Time has got little to do with it. Im sure if I could be bothered there would be other examples. Revisionism. Yeah, we are mentally erasing all those CL titles and PL wins in the last 13 years as we go, By the end of this season he will have none.

I think the 'revisionism' stems mostly from what former players have said about Wenger and previous teams.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

You said it was unusual. Time has got little to do with it. Im sure if I could be bothered there would be other examples. Revisionism. Yeah, we are mentally erasing all those CL titles and PL wins in the last 13 years as we go, By the end of this season he will have none.

It is unusual which is precisely why you need time to name more than 1 example with the example you named being a very recent precedent. Nobody suggested anybody is erasing titles but you can maintain that absurd line of thinking if you wish.

People are only suggesting that an U18 coach would have any authority to question Wenger because it is Thierry Henry, not because he is the U18 coach. If that is the case, then why does he need a coaching role...? He's Thierry Henry, has a personal relationship with him and can question him in private without fear of losing his job anytime he likes as can David Dein who has also maintained he is still close to Wenger.

In reality Henry would have less authority than Bould, and many have lamented his lack of influence so I'm not sure why this Henry thing is even much of an issue. If he has a taste for it, Henry will remain a coach longer than Wenger will and may come back to the club anyway especially as Josh Kroenke seems to be besotted with him.

[Özim]

Wenger's had a comfy pundit role with French TV. Seems like a double standard.

Very hypocritical, but Wenger probably doesn't see it that way, there's one rule for him and a different rule for others.

[Niall_Quinn]

We need a lot more revisionism in this world. It's only a swear word because it suits those who benefit most from avoiding examination of the past in light of new information that emerges over time. Given the emergence of Wenger's mile wide selfish streak that he's prepared to indulge at the expense of the club he claims to love, I'd conclude it's more than fair to look back over his entire record and rethink some of the assumptions that have stuck over time. Clough was forgiven because the drink got to him. What's Wenger's excuse? It becomes clearer each day he's a vain, selfish, cold and calculating individual and probably always was. I certainly don't view him today the way I viewed him a decade ago, surely it would be impossible to do so? This is his fault, not the faults of those who have been surprised and disappointed by his behaviour.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

What's the point if we continually come to the same conclusion....? And it aint because Henry isn't taking charge of the U18's.... it's because we are dire to watch and can't put a few results together.

[Niall_Quinn]

What's the point if we continually come to the same conclusion....? And it aint because Henry isn't taking charge of the U18's.... it's because we are dire to watch and can't put a few results together.

Well yes, that's true and that's the main problem. But why has this main problem developed over time and become more pronounced as each season passes? Personally I don't think Henry in the dressing room would make much, if any difference. That's not the real issue. The real issue is Wenger seems to have the final say in just about every decision, so we are in a situation where the board say, what about..., and Wenger then delivers the royal proclamation which is final. And there doesn't seem to be any room for dissenting opinions, at least that's the impression that comes out of the club. This would be fine if Wenger was infallible, but that's far from the truth. He's desperately needed input from other figures for a long time now, somebody strong enough, influential enough and with sufficient authority to get Wenger to have a rethink on some of his baked in but only half baked ideas. What about Steve Bould? There's no way that guy can have any real influence at the club. There's no way we'd be defending the way we are if Bould had a say in anything. You have to reach the conclusion that Wenger doesn't want to hear anything from anyone except, yes boss. If he could relent on that front then we might see something different.

[Globalgunner]

It is unusual which is precisely why you need time to name more than 1 example with the example you named being a very recent precedent. Nobody suggested anybody is erasing titles but you can maintain that absurd line of thinking if you wish.

People are only suggesting that an U18 coach would have any authority to question Wenger because it is Thierry Henry, not because he is the U18 coach. If that is the case, then why does he need a coaching role...? He's Thierry Henry, has a personal relationship with him and can question him in private without fear of losing his job anytime he likes as can David Dein who has also maintained he is still close to Wenger.

In reality Henry would have less authority than Bould, and many have lamented his lack of influence so I'm not sure why this Henry thing is even much of an issue. If he has a taste for it, Henry will remain a coach longer than Wenger will and may come back to the club anyway especially as Josh Kroenke seems to be besotted with him.

I cant really bother because it is not important. Many active managers as well as players have popped up in the studios as pundits. literally all of them including the lamented Big Sam while he was still England manager. If this is all you have left to defend him with it is a piffling. Moreover, its not even the issue here. Whats pertinent is Wengers need to be infallible and unquestioned within the club. Even when he is falling flat on his face.

[Niall_Quinn]

Unmask the 6

[Power n Glory]

It is unusual which is precisely why you need time to name more than 1 example with the example you named being a very recent precedent. Nobody suggested anybody is erasing titles but you can maintain that absurd line of thinking if you wish.

People are only suggesting that an U18 coach would have any authority to question Wenger because it is Thierry Henry, not because he is the U18 coach. If that is the case, then why does he need a coaching role...? He's Thierry Henry, has a personal relationship with him and can question him in private without fear of losing his job anytime he likes as can David Dein who has also maintained he is still close to Wenger.

In reality Henry would have less authority than Bould, and many have lamented his lack of influence so I'm not sure why this Henry thing is even much of an issue. If he has a taste for it, Henry will remain a coach longer than Wenger will and may come back to the club anyway especially as Josh Kroenke seems to be besotted with him.

You might be missing the bigger issue. We need structural change and for more football men to be part of the setup. Henry would only be a U18 coach but it's fresh blood we and need to reform on all levels. Wenger's comments about 'superficial' changes shows he may be blocking this club from being about football and not just checks and balances.

[selassie]

I didn't agree with that at all and couldn't see why something couldn't have been worked out. This is Thierry Henry and Arsene Wenger! They know each other and have a relationship. Why Wenger couldn't trust Henry to do both jobs professionally or to keep what he does at Arsenal out of his punditry work, I have no idea.

He trusted Henry enough to come back and train with the team when he was playing in New York. Different circumstances and roles and Thierry isn't the only former player to come back and work with the team in an unofficial role, but I think it's selfish of Wenger. These guys are good enough athletes and he's OK developing them physically, but seems unwilling to develop them mentally. Why hasn't he taken on a former player to mentor? Why not bring them on to do their coaching badges? He talks about giving back to the game but I don't like the look of this picture.

Yep

:gp:

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

The bigger issue(s) is exactly why I questioned the focus and criticism of the Henry non appointment which in itself IMO not a big deal. There is something to be said for smaller things endemic of larger problems so would accept that particular point. We all know the manager is an issue at this stage and not appointing Henry is so far down the list of his crimes it seems insignificant. It is an issue because of who it involved rather than anything else and I get that.

Like NQ suggests, if his assistant alone would only have more influence, it seems crazy to think we would defend worse.

[Power n Glory]

The bigger issue(s) is exactly why I questioned the focus and criticism of the Henry non appointment which in itself IMO not a big deal. There is something to be said for smaller things endemic of larger problems so would accept that particular point. We all know the manager is an issue at this stage and not appointing Henry is so far down the list of his crimes it seems insignificant. It is an issue because of who it involved rather than anything else and I get that.

Like NQ suggests, if his assistant alone would only have more influence, it seems crazy to think we would defend worse.

Yes, definitely. The smaller things, like the Henry situatuon are just symptoms of a larger issue. If it were just Henry being dismissed we could look at it as a one off. Bit it's a pattern and leads on to an issue of the whole backroom staff and culture needing an upgrade. I even doubt a whole backroom staff swap could blunt Wenger's influence, yet alone Henry. But we'd a at least be set up for when Wenger has moved on.

After Wenger leaves, we have no idea if anyone at the club will be fighting for fans interests or even capable of doing so since we have a serious lack of footballing knowledge around the club. All the knowledge seems to be held by Wenger and the fact that he's failed to invest on that front leads me to think he's looking out for his own interests despite his bluster about setting us on a bright path.

[Niall_Quinn]

Yes, definitely. The smaller things, like the Henry situatuon are just symptoms of a larger issue. If it were just Henry being dismissed we could look at it as a one off. Bit it's a pattern and leads on to an issue of the whole backroom staff and culture needing an upgrade. I even doubt a whole backroom staff swap could blunt Wenger's influence, yet alone Henry. But we'd a at least be set up for when Wenger has moved on.

After Wenger leaves, we have no idea if anyone at the club will be fighting for fans interests or even capable of doing so since we have a serious lack of footballing knowledge around the club. All the knowledge seems to be held by Wenger and the fact that he's failed to invest on that front leads me to think he's looking out for his own interests despite his bluster about setting us on a bright path.

I'm convinced of the latter point. For me, the recent months have revealed the real Wenger. His failure to resolve the uncertainty that is harming the club at every level is absolutely unforgivable and beyond outrageous.

[Gooner23]

Absolutely he's out for no. 1 now

[Power n Glory]

I'm convinced of the latter point. For me, the recent months have revealed the real Wenger. His failure to resolve the uncertainty that is harming the club at every level is absolutely unforgivable and beyond outrageous.

I can't see it any other way. It speaks volumes. He sees the damage but has a 'don't question me' snobbish attitude as if he's earned the right to drag the club down. I hold him responsible for what we've become as club, more so than Stan or other board members simply because he prides himself on loving the game. He's supposed to be pushing for footballing excellence over everyone else, instead we see Ivan Gazidis and stories of Sir Chips and Josh Kroenke pushing for change. Why isn't it the other way round? Why aren't stories emerging of Wenger pushing for change and being at odds with Stan and Ivan? Why is he not saying he wants to sign Sanchez and isn't worried about the cost?

[Xhaka Can’t]

Probably because Sanchez has or at one time before he gave up, had an opinion.

[Dein-machine]

Is his arrogance so bad that he cant see that he has made the situation of him staying as untenable. If he stays & continues with the same shit of sticking with the dross & not buying the quality required then he won't last until next Xmas. If he decides to join the real world with regards to competing at the top level & spends on top quality in the summer, resulting in better football & us starting to compete with the big boys - then he will simply have proved himself wrong over the past decade - which would be harder for him to take than it is for him to see us get raped by Palace.
Even if we bought better players, we will then be handicapped by a technically inferior manager to the big boys - the problem can only be resolved with him fucking off.

[rodders]

The answer is simple , do not offer him a new contract. Why are the board so scared of him.

[Niall_Quinn]

Is his arrogance so bad that he cant see that he has made the situation of him staying as untenable. If he stays & continues with the same shit of sticking with the dross & not buying the quality required then he won't last until next Xmas. If he decides to join the real world with regards to competing at the top level & spends on top quality in the summer, resulting in better football & us starting to compete with the big boys - then he will simply have proved himself wrong over the past decade - which would be harder for him to take than it is for him to see us get raped by Palace.
Even if we bought better players, we will then be handicapped by a technically inferior manager to the big boys - the problem can only be resolved with him fucking off.

Be careful what you wish, hope, dream and pray for.

[Letters]

The answer is simple , do not offer him a new contract. Why are the board so scared of him.

I think they're scared of all that lovely money drying up and for all his faults Wenger has consistently delivered buckets of that.

[GP]

I think they're scared of all that lovely money drying up and for all his faults Wenger has consistently delivered buckets of that.

If Wenger leaves the board might have to do some actual work. They are happy for him to continue.

[Dein-machine]

Be careful what you wish, hope, dream and pray for.

I'm beyond caring now NQ - I'd be over the moon if I heard Neil Warnock was taking over.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I'm beyond caring now NQ - I'd be over the moon if I heard Neil Warnock was taking over.

Absurd.

[Niall_Quinn]

Absurd.

At least we could sack him after a few months. Not so easy getting rid of Wenger though.

[Letters]

Of course it's easy :shrug:
They just won't do it.

[Niall_Quinn]

Arsenal target Sead Kolasinac has been told Arsene Wenger WILL be in charge of the club next season.

The Gunners have begun their rebuilding plans ahead of next season and have made it crystal clear to pending new signings and existing players who are renegotiating their existing deals that the Frenchman will be in charge.

Impossible to get rid of him.

[Niall_Quinn]

Wenger also negotiating deals with the indispensable Gibbs, Wilshere (who is crocked again, this time a hairline fracture), and he'll even be checking down the sofa to see if there is enough money to keep Ozil and Alexis here.

[Letters]

Impossible to get rid of him.

He's out of contract in the summer. All they have to do is not offer him a new one. Simples :shrug:
They're actually going out of their way to keep him.

[Marc Overmars]

I reckon the board might actually be split on whether to keep him or not. I certainly think Gazidis at least would like him to move on. The Americans want him to stay for obvious reasons but those involved in the day to day running might be open to change.

[Dein-machine]

Absurd.

It is for those without a sense of humour

[Power n Glory]

Reports being leaked say it's not all good. Sir Chips, walked out of the Crystal Palace game, according to reports, after Palace scored a second goal. He also issued a statement before saying there would be a mutual decision. Ivan also said it would be a mutual decision which is a push back on Wenger's 'I'll make my decision' which makes it sound as if a deal has already been offered.

I'm not so sure about a contract offer being on the table. Early reports from the press with no real sources. I haven't heard an official statement from the club backing the manager even though he's having a crisis.

[Özim]

Impossible to get rid of him.

Yup, the guy has a job as long as he wants it, easiest job in football but frankly scandalous that the guy can keep his job despite the way the fans feel.

[Özim]

Wenger also negotiating deals with the indispensable Gibbs, Wilshere (who is crocked again, this time a hairline fracture), and he'll even be checking down the sofa to see if there is enough money to keep Ozil and Alexis here.

Seriously, why would you give Gibbs a new contract, a) he's sh*t and b) he must have spent 95% of his career injured I honestly think you'd have to be thick to offer him a new contract.

As for Wilshere same thing again, really doesn't make a lot of sense, you'd think we might have learnt our lesson with the likes of Rosicky and Diaby before hand, seems not. Then again what lessons do we ever learn?

[Power n Glory]

Seriously, why would you give Gibbs a new contract, a) he's sh*t and b) he must have spent 95% of his career injured I honestly think you'd have to be thick to offer him a new contract.

As for Wilshere same thing again, really doesn't make a lot of sense, you'd think we might have learnt our lesson with the likes of Rosicky and Diaby before hand, seems not. Then again what lessons do we ever learn?

I can understand giving Diaby and Rosicky contracts because they had the talent and potential to deliver if they could stay fit. Rosicky especially. He's the sort of player that could play that CM role Cazorla plays and has often come in towards the end of the season to bail us out when the Wilshere/Ramsey axis falls flat. Diaby also had serious potential for that role. No idea why Wenger didn't sign a CM with a similar attributes seen in these two.

Wilshere is a lost cause and hasn't got the ability the ability to be that sort of player. Time to let him go.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I don't think he has a job as long as he wants it, not any more. Even if Kroenke sees the club as just a cash cow that cash cow is under threat of being less fat and juicy if Wenger can no longer do the thing he has been kept so long to do and that's keep the club in the top four.

Self-sustainability is based on fans paying money to watch the game, and they won't continue to do that. I'm not sure he has lost the dressing room, but he has players that are so lacking in confidence for this season at least beating sides like West Ham and Middlesborough is about as much as he is likely to achieve.

If we take Wenger at his word which plenty of people here seem happy to do because his press conferences seem to irritate people, he seems to have changed from i've made up my mind to it's the board's decision. I think the Crystal Palace result really caused a lot of concern for people at the club, evidenced by Wenger changing his formation (perhaps trying to prove to his employers he is capable of change).

If Wenger signs a new contract with no changes in place to coaching staff or a director of football we know that this man can just get away with whatever he wants, if he signs a contract with changes at all coaching levels it shows whilst the club are still too cowardly to do what needs to be done that Wenger no longer has a job for as long as he wants it and that their patience is not as endless as we might think.

Don't get me wrong, it's flogging a dead horse Wenger should be gone at the end of the season and discussions should have been concluded to bring in a better replacement but we know the board has been asleep at the wheel. What we now need to find out is what action they are prepared to take if they have woken up.

[Dein-machine]

Seriously, why would you give Gibbs a new contract, a) he's sh*t and b) he must have spent 95% of his career injured I honestly think you'd have to be thick to offer him a new contract.

As for Wilshere same thing again, really doesn't make a lot of sense, you'd think we might have learnt our lesson with the likes of Rosicky and Diaby before hand, seems not. Then again what lessons do we ever learn?

This is another major reason why Wumger has to go. Another manager would want to make his stamp on the club & would get rid of the deadwood. There are those on here who think we dont need a major clear out & think we have a really strong squad. I disagree. Cech is on his way out & we dont have another top keeper. Only Bellerin & Kos would be classed as good enough defenders for any other top club. Take away Ozil & Sanchez as they could be gone anyway & apart from Cazorla, there is not a footballing brain of any quality in any other squad member.
How much more do we need to see of Gibbs, Monreal, Theo, Ramsey, Coq, Welbeck, Giroud to realise they are not good enough & why on earth give Merts a new contract.
We need a serious clear out & only a new manager will do it.

[Niall_Quinn]

We also have Sanogo who can play there. Our version of Mbappe.

We'll at least get rid of Sanogo, right? Surely we'll do that much at very least.

[Marc Overmars]

We also have Sanogo who can play there. Our version of Mbappe.

We'll at least get rid of Sanogo, right? Surely we'll do that much at very least.

Sanchez out, Sanogo in!

[selassie]

This is another major reason why Wumger has to go. Another manager would want to make his stamp on the club & would get rid of the deadwood. There are those on here who think we dont need a major clear out & think we have a really strong squad. I disagree. Cech is on his way out & we dont have another top keeper. Only Bellerin & Kos would be classed as good enough defenders for any other top club. Take away Ozil & Sanchez as they could be gone anyway & apart from Cazorla, there is not a footballing brain of any quality in any other squad member.
How much more do we need to see of Gibbs, Monreal, Theo, Ramsey, Coq, Welbeck, Giroud to realise they are not good enough & why on earth give Merts a new contract.
We need a serious clear out & only a new manager will do it.

To be honest I think any new manager over time and I don't mean a long period would make quite big changes to the squad and first XI. As it stands we don't have a nailed on first XI or real identifiable core which in itself is an issue.

We don't really have any leaders or strong characters...not in the obvious sense anyway.

One thing we know about Wenger is regardless of the outcome of the season he won't rock the boat, he has his principles and one of those is that he won't make mass changes to the playing squad, he never has done. If he signs on for two more years which is looking likely, then I reckon we are looking at 4 or 5 changes at max this summer, of which you can bet 2 or 3 of these players will be eased in.

[GP]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/27635264

[KSE Comedy Club]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/27635264

You bastard :sulk:

[Niall_Quinn]

Told you'd they go the extra mile and extract maximum piss. The "three" at the back was a Wenger Special WUM then?

Well, we're finished as a force in football for the foreseeable future.

[Niall_Quinn]

Bould staying too apparently :doh:

[Niall_Quinn]

Alexis has a "provisional" 3 year deal agreed with the chavs. Fee will be in the region of 28mill.

[Niall_Quinn]

Gibbs has signed a new 5 year deal worth £140K per week.

[Letters]

You bastard :sulk:

:gp:

[selassie]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/27635264

:lol:

[Niall_Quinn]

:lol:

Not going to be funny "soon" though, is it? I reckon they really will give himhe'll give himself a 3 year contract. Then the BBC can make a few minor edits and push the article out again.

[selassie]

Not going to be funny "soon" though, is it? I reckon they really will give himhe'll give himself a 3 year contract. Then the BBC can make a few minor edits and push the article out again.

I've honestly given up caring NQ. He is staying and we aint improving until he's gone.

[Maestro]

Gibbs has signed a new 5 year deal worth £140K per week.

you jest, surely?

[Niall_Quinn]

you jest, surely?

Yes, sorry. This is a jest thread now. Well, it was in the beginning. But now it's official.

Only worry I have here is that Wenger reads this and double WUMs us.

[Maestro]

When will the sect of six be unmasked?

[Marc Overmars]

When will the sect of six be unmasked?

Chris, TY, Letters (before he turned), Stan Kroenke, Gary Neville and Wenger himself.

[Niall_Quinn]

Now it's the Secret Seven :doh:

[GP]

Wenger!!

What a fucking hero!!

Change my vote, make it 8!

#WengerIN!

[Niall_Quinn]

GET THE CUNT OUT!

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I voted for him in today. :whistle:

[Niall_Quinn]

I voted for him in today. :whistle:

As a joke.

[Marc Overmars]

#wengerforever

[Niall_Quinn]

#wengerforever

Alright, fine then. Wenger in. Until next week.

[Master Splinter]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=In4cvWZ7KXQ

[Niall_Quinn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=In4cvWZ7KXQ

Take aim, FIRE! TROPHY :bow:

[GP]

https://i.imgur.com/Vv9OnTx.jpg

[Marc Overmars]

"2 more motherfucking years bitches!"

[Niall_Quinn]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4443900/Arsenal-players-high-spirits-train.html

Total puff-piece probably handed directly from Pravda to the Daily Supplicant. They just need the Movietone intro and the 40s style, stiff upper accent to reel off the audiobook version of this garbage.

[Dramatic music]

Arsenal on the march! And who better to rouse the troops than a bloke who won stuffan old legend?

Wenger says they will need to sweep all before them if they are to be victorious! That doesn't seem to worry the lads though, they are defiant, undaunted, quintessentially British!

[Land of Hope and Glory]

[Niall_Quinn]

Those 7 are like the rival fans who chant, "We want you to stay..."

And none of them have had the guts to step forward and say why. Cowards, like Wenger.

[selassie]

The best bit about all this season is absolutely nothing will be done to rectify it. After he has signed the ting in the summer we'll get the usual rhetoric from Ivan about how we are gonna spend/improve and how last season was below the standard required. We will then put the feelers out on prospective signings but refuse to compete once we realise other teams want these players. We will then scramble around towards the end of the window overpaying on garbage nobody else wants.

I'm happy to be proven wrong but am 1000% sure this will happen this summer.

[Chippy]

The best bit about all this season is absolutely nothing will be done to rectify it. After he has signed the ting in the summer we'll get the usual rhetoric from Ivan about how we are gonna spend/improve and how last season was below the standard required. We will then put the feelers out on prospective signings but refuse to compete once we realise other teams want these players. We will then scramble around towards the end of the window overpaying on garbage nobody else wants.

I'm happy to be proven wrong but am 1000% sure this will happen this summer.

Not even Wenger can get away with this? He must be sacked, simple. We will not finish in the top four (Hopefully), and the Chavs will fucking destroy us in the final (which I could not give a fuck about TBH). No hiding place for the deluded cunt.

[Marc Overmars]

Not even Wenger can get away with this?

He can and he will.

This club is a joke. A board that don't want to do any work, a selfish loser of a manager, cowardly players and I'm sorry to say, a very weak match going fanbase that are afraid of change.

[Letters]

I'm happy to be proven wrong but am 1000% sure this will happen this summer.
Maths :rose:

[selassie]

Maths :rose:

Yeah but Chelsea... :rose:

[Xhaka Can’t]

Wenger is getting another two years.

The Club are clearly trying to link the timing of the announcement to something positive. The last chance now being a cup final win. The justification being how can you sack a guy who has just become the sole holder of a cup record.

They'd like to link it to something positive, but if worse comes to worse (and being Arsenal, it will), they'll just announce it anyway.

[Maestro]

Wenger is getting another two years.

The Club are clearly trying to link the timing of the announcement to something positive. The last chance now being a cup final win. The justification being how can you sack a guy who has just become the sole holder of a cup record.

They'd like to link it to something positive, but if worse comes to worse (and being Arsenal, it will), they'll just announce it anyway.

more like wenger is trying to do that, let's be honest the board have no say in this. it's down to kroenke and wenger.

failure to win the fa cup and he'll just announce it off season, when there is no match days and he doesn't have to directly face any protests. simples.