Summer Transfer Shit and Everything Else [Archive] - Page 4

HCZ_Reborn

10-07-2023, 05:06 PM

:) Just asking HCZ, do you watch Spartacus?

Whatever your answer is, that's how I imagine you see every debate you have here, some sort of elaborate gladatorial contest to the finish that seemingly justifies your existence.

Well, whatever floats your boat.

No that’s where you’re going wrong.

You keep making this assumption that I’m aggressively going for you.

I’m not saying anything with any animus….it’s just on so many occasions you come across as flailing in blind panic - not signing Mudryk, our negotiation strategy with Rice and this. And a bit like a naughty school boy who pulls the legs off insects, I must admit your posts prove irresistible to me….I did try and even reason with you but you’re so insistent on hysteria…it’d be churlish of me not to make hay from your hysteria.

That doesn’t mean my counters to your post aren’t genuine, if I agreed with you or thought you were making a reasonable argument I wouldn’t bother replying….but yeah they are designed to be a bit like Keith Moon chucking dynamite down the loo in hotels.

Marc Overmars

10-07-2023, 05:33 PM

I think it would be wise to keep Partey but that would mean a contract extension which I don’t think the club are prepared to give him at this stage.

Wouldn’t be comfortable if he was sold to United though. Saudi or nothing.

Niall_Quinn

10-07-2023, 06:14 PM

You really feel Rice is a better player than Partey?

Interesting.

It'll be pretty tragic if he's not. Hard to imagine though, paying £100mill for a player that doesn't even reach Partey's standard? That'll be the end of Arteta if it pans out like that. And the end of Rice too.

Niall_Quinn

10-07-2023, 06:17 PM

But to sum it up for you

Even if we sell Partey and signed No replacement, we play Rice in that position and play Kai Havertz in the Xhaka role. Just the absence of Xhaka alone would make it a better central midfield than we had last season.

And that’s the absolute worst case scenario. So maybe go out and invest in some adult nappies

Assuming Rice and Havertz have the will to fight for a result. Everyone claims Rice does. Sounds like Havertz didn't do much at the chavs. So he, at least, will need to up his game.

HCZ_Reborn

10-07-2023, 06:19 PM

Assuming Rice and Havertz have the will to fight for a result. Everyone claims Rice does. Sounds like Havertz didn't do much at the chavs. So he, at least, will need to up his game.

I know by your own admission you don’t watch us often, but if you did you would know that our central midfield never fought for a result. That’s why even worst case scenario we are better off than we were last season.

fakeyank

10-07-2023, 06:43 PM

:haha:

Even if arsenal sign all the players they're expected to, Partey remains the best player at the club. It's an observable fact, ffs. Only Odegaard is on a similar level.

Some of you are unbelievably fuckin stupid, man. Actually hurts to read some of your drivel.

This. Partey did lose form towards the end of the season like pretty much the entire first team. On form, he is one of the best CM's in the prem.

mandela8

10-07-2023, 07:01 PM

This. Partey did lose form towards the end of the season like pretty much the entire first team. On form, he is one of the best CM's in the prem.

His loss of form perfectly demonstrates his importance to the team. Every single player lost form at some point and it wasn't an issue until Partey had his turn and the entire team literally fell apart, as did the season.

No Partey, no chance. That's the way it was and that's the way it is. He was the best player in the league for the first half of the season.

The mental gymnastics to get around potentially selling your best player is just bizarre to watch.

@mac67 does make one fair point about his endurance. Partey hasn't lasted a full season yet. But he has made it further each time. That is the only black mark against him though. His ability is unquestionable, unless you're a special kind of mongoloid.

HCZ_Reborn

10-07-2023, 07:21 PM

Just as well he’s not our best player then

dostoy

10-07-2023, 07:28 PM

I have just read that Arsenal are after Kyle Walker AND Julian Alvarez from City.

Don't want Walker and surely there is no chance of Alvarez.

21_GOONER_SALUTE

10-07-2023, 07:39 PM

No that’s where you’re going wrong.

You keep making this assumption that I’m aggressively going for you.

I’m not saying anything with any animus….it’s just on so many occasions you come across as flailing in blind panic - not signing Mudryk, our negotiation strategy with Rice and this. And a bit like a naughty school boy who pulls the legs off insects, I must admit your posts prove irresistible to me….I did try and even reason with you but you’re so insistent on hysteria…it’d be churlish of me not to make hay from your hysteria.

That doesn’t mean my counters to your post aren’t genuine, if I agreed with you or thought you were making a reasonable argument I wouldn’t bother replying….but yeah they are designed to be a bit like Keith Moon chucking dynamite down the loo in hotels.

TBH I (and probably others) don't care what motivates your replies or reactions (I know I've made up my mind quite a while back and I suspect they have too) however I must admit I do find the thought of what lies behind them a bit intriguing and probably worthy of some sort of psychiatric evaluation/intervention ...but hey, I'm just a silly football fan, what the hell do I know :)

Anyway I got your simplistic argument the first time; you would not mind losing Partey mainly due to his age, as all the plausible alternatives you have identified (I took Caicedo and the RM guy out since IYO we can't afford them now) are not better than him. Pathetic IMO, but you have been consistent with the mouth service you pay to your love of ageism, I'll give you that.

HCZ_Reborn

10-07-2023, 07:47 PM

TBH I (and probably others) don't care what motivates your replies or reactions (I know I've made up my mind quite a while back and I suspect they have too) however I must admit I do find the thought of what lies behind them a bit intriguing and probably worthy of some sort of psychiatric evaluation/intervention ...but hey, I'm just a silly football fan, what the hell do I know :)

Anyway I got your simplistic argument the first time; you would not mind losing Partey mainly due to his age, as all the plausible alternatives you have identified (I took Caicedo and the RM guy out since IYO we can't afford them now) are not better than him. Pathetic IMO, but you have been consistent with the mouth service you pay to your love of ageism, I'll give you that.

If you don’t care what motivates my replies, why muse on it to begin with (or are you going to have a sudden bout of dementia again when I reference other posts you’ve made)

But there’s no need for it to be complex. You’re a bit of a foolish person, and your only worth is in the entertainment you unwittingly give me, because you certainly have no value as someone worth debating seriously (and again I’m sure you’ll mistake that for invective, it’s not it’s just sadly the truth)

Anyway You’re a bit more petulant than normal here. And you’re right my argument is completely simplistic, as I’ve just said there’s no need to complicate things….let alone soil yourself. But you seem content to do both

21_GOONER_SALUTE

10-07-2023, 07:58 PM

His loss of form perfectly demonstrates his importance to the team. Every single player lost form at some point and it wasn't an issue until Partey had his turn and the entire team literally fell apart, as did the season.

No Partey, no chance. That's the way it was and that's the way it is. He was the best player in the league for the first half of the season.

The mental gymnastics to get around potentially selling your best player is just bizarre to watch.

@mac67 does make one fair point about his endurance. Partey hasn't lasted a full season yet. But he has made it further each time. That is the only black mark against him though. His ability is unquestionable, unless you're a special kind of mongoloid.

There is a simple argument I've made with a few friends of mine, its simple but most thing in life are anyway

We started last season with Saka , Martinelli, Jesus and Partey being at their best. Martinelli dropped off around Novemberish and Jesus got injured and never recovered form. Martinelli woke up again around late December/January. Trossard, Jorginho and Odegaard joined the party around the same time. However, Saka and Partey fell off the cliff and after that our chances never recovered

Yes, you could add Saliba's injury and Arteta's kamikaze love affair with Holding in the mix...but the drop in our attacking play and how easy it was to run at us through the midfield was pretty obvious.

IMO, at their best, Saka and Partey carry this team. I don't think theirs evidence the others at their best can do the same thing for a sustained period of time.

Mac76

10-07-2023, 08:26 PM

You really feel Rice is a better player than Partey?

Interesting.

I said "seen as" an upgrade, I didn't say he necessarily is - my jury's out tbh though I think we overpaid for him significantly

HCZ_Reborn

11-07-2023, 07:07 AM

I said "seen as" an upgrade, I didn't say he necessarily is - my jury's out tbh though I think we overpaid for him significantly

The jury is definitely out, and we absolutely overpaid for him significantly

Never a player I wanted, when we went for Caicedo in January I knew fuck all about him……so made an effort to watch him and what I saw was a player who in every way exemplifies what we need…seems to thrive on being pressed showing both the physicality and the technique to break through it….range of passing and ability on the ball are excellent. If Man United or Chelsea got him…they absolutely could finish above us (and I say that despite Chelsea being a horrendous mess).

The flip side to that is a lot of Brighton’s players that are sold don’t always tend to do as well. I don’t think Trossard has quite hit the same level he was at, at Brighton (especially not in terms of goal scoring). Maupay used to be an utter pain in the arse for Brighton, don’t see any of that at Everton. Ditto Cucurella at Chelsea.

To be honest never really paid much attention to Ben White at Brighton…so can’t really make the comparison.

But it could be that some of these players thrive on being big fish in small ponds

Then again, one could definitely say the same about Rice as never been impressed with him playing for England

HCZ_Reborn

11-07-2023, 09:23 AM

��| @FabrizioRomano: “I’m told Saudi clubs will try to approach Thomas Partey again in the next few days. On the player side, the priority remains European football and he wants to continue in Europe.

“Let’s see if Saudi clubs will be able to change his mind. As previously reported, it will also be important to persuade Arsenal because they want an important fee to let Partey go.” [@caughtoffside] #afc

Chimes with what I thought, that Partey wasn’t going to go to Italy because they wouldn’t be able to afford what we are looking for.

I do wonder if structure of payment for Rice has made us less keen to sell Partey, because whatever we got for him would be less than what we’d have to pay for any replacement

mandela8

11-07-2023, 10:04 AM

There is a simple argument I've made with a few friends of mine, its simple but most thing in life are anyway

We started last season with Saka , Martinelli, Jesus and Partey being at their best. Martinelli dropped off around Novemberish and Jesus got injured and never recovered form. Martinelli woke up again around late December/January. Trossard, Jorginho and Odegaard joined the party around the same time. However, Saka and Partey fell off the cliff and after that our chances never recovered

Yes, you could add Saliba's injury and Arteta's kamikaze love affair with Holding in the mix...but the drop in our attacking play and how easy it was to run at us through the midfield was pretty obvious.

IMO, at their best, Saka and Partey carry this team. I don't think theirs evidence the others at their best can do the same thing for a sustained period of time.

We were getting on so well until the Saka bit, man :lol:

Mac76

11-07-2023, 03:42 PM

it seems Spuds have unearthed yet another player with the perverse desire never to win anything... where do they find these people?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66156111

HCZ_Reborn

11-07-2023, 06:16 PM

I have just read that Arsenal are after Kyle Walker AND Julian Alvarez from City.

Don't want Walker and surely there is no chance of Alvarez.

I’ve seen this now - The Julian Alvarez rumour

Why are we only interested in short arses up front…

Niall_Quinn

11-07-2023, 09:57 PM

it seems Spuds have unearthed yet another player with the perverse desire never to win anything... where do they find these people?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66156111

Maybe he's related.

HCZ_Reborn

12-07-2023, 11:38 AM

Very quiet on here today, almost like the pointless arguments that I engage in and or perpetuate have worn thin

WMUG

12-07-2023, 12:44 PM

Football forums are boring without football.

HCZ_Reborn

12-07-2023, 01:07 PM

Football forums are boring without football.

Well sure, with that attitude they are

Chippy

12-07-2023, 06:22 PM

Very quiet on here today, almost like the pointless arguments that I engage in and or perpetuate have worn thin

"Is this the right room for an argument?"
"I've told you once"!
Only older viewers will get it :lol:

HCZ_Reborn

12-07-2023, 06:55 PM

"Is this the right room for an argument?"
"I've told you once"!
Only older viewers will get it :lol:

I was about to say you don’t have to be old to enjoy Monty Python, but then I just feel like I’d be enabling your shtick :haha:

Letters

12-07-2023, 08:08 PM

Football forums are boring without football.

We could have an exciting discussion about whether the plural of “forum” is “forums” or “fora”?

:shrug:

WMUG

12-07-2023, 08:52 PM

We could have an exciting discussion about whether the plural of “forum” is “forums” or “fora”?

:shrug:

Depends if you're speaking Latin or English.

Chippy

12-07-2023, 10:17 PM

I was about to say you don’t have to be old to enjoy Monty Python, but then I just feel like I’d be enabling your shtick :haha:

:haha:

Letters

13-07-2023, 06:01 AM

Depends if you're speaking Latin or English.

People called Romani they go the house?

Chippy started it :sulk:

Chippy

13-07-2023, 07:46 AM

People called Romani they go the house?

Chippy started it :sulk:

:lol:

HCZ_Reborn

13-07-2023, 11:56 AM

Everton sign Ashley Young. Are they just deliberately trying to make it harder for themselves to avoid relegation?

Mac76

14-07-2023, 08:21 AM

HCZ_Reborn

14-07-2023, 08:24 AM

I'm seeing reports that Besiktas are offering £2.1m for Holding

Even though i think it's time to sell him, I think that's a bit of a derisory offer for a defender who could hold his own in most teams in the lower half of the PL and below

Who cares, I find it derisory that he’s in our squad so I’d pay them to take him off our hands

But looks like we are going to hold out for more cash. I doubt we’d get more than five million though

Marc Overmars

14-07-2023, 09:05 AM

I'm seeing reports that Besiktas are offering £2.1m for Holding

Even though i think it's time to sell him, I think that's a bit of a derisory offer for a defender who could hold his own in most teams in the lower half of the PL and below

We need a PL buyer if we want good money for our surplus players.

Most clubs in Europe are broke. I bet we end up terminating Pepe’s contract at this rate.

14-07-2023, 09:36 AM

We've also got a reputation for being a soft touch. We need to start standing firm on our valuations. We're always charged top dollar but sell for a pittance.

Mac76

14-07-2023, 10:05 AM

We've also got a reputation for being a soft touch. We need to start standing firm on our valuations. We're always charged top dollar but sell for a pittance.

This

HCZ_Reborn

14-07-2023, 10:37 AM

We need a PL buyer if we want good money for our surplus players.

Most clubs in Europe are broke. I bet we end up terminating Pepe’s contract at this rate.

This is the more likely reason

HCZ_Reborn

14-07-2023, 10:41 AM

This

I’m glass half empty by nature, but even I look at some of your postings and the other fella I argue with and I don’t get it. Honestly not wishing to start a row here, but it does feel like you immediately attach to anything that projects the club in a bad light. Just so you don’t feel victimised, that’s just an observation.

I have lots of issues with Arteta and his coaching style, but if I’m perfectly honest I don’t really have too much complaints with KSE in the last five years

I tend to agree with MO it’s far harder to sell a player abroad for large amounts of money than it is within the premier league. I’m also not so sure about the soft touch aspect, but I do think we concern ourselves more with getting a player off the wage bill than we do transfer fees for that player.

Also the sad reality is, with the exception of Serge Gnabry a lot of the players we’ve binned off weren’t worth much to begin with.

mandela8

14-07-2023, 12:36 PM

I'm seeing reports that Besiktas are offering £2.1m for Holding

Even though i think it's time to sell him, I think that's a bit of a derisory offer for a defender who could hold his own in most teams in the lower half of the PL and below

What a load of shite. Holding getting under rated a bit here. Liverpool would get 15m for him, easy, for example.

Marc Overmars

14-07-2023, 02:15 PM

Timber is official.

https://www.arsenal.com/news/jurrien-timber-signs-arsenal

Our first Dutch player since RVP? Let’s hope his story here doesn’t have the same ending.

HCZ_Reborn

14-07-2023, 02:19 PM

Timber is official.

https://www.arsenal.com/news/jurrien-timber-signs-arsenal

Our first Dutch player since RVP? Let’s hope his story here doesn’t have the same ending.

Niiiiiiiiiiisssssccccchhhhhh

Mac76

14-07-2023, 02:28 PM

Good to see he's an Arsenal fan, always helps and generally looks like a good signing

mandela8

14-07-2023, 02:46 PM

Don't know much about him but absolutely delighted the huge problem at RB has been addressed hopefully. I like Tomyiasu as a defensive player but he offers nothing going forward and is always injured. Ben Shite is fuckin horrendous. He's another player who seems to have pulled the wool over the eyes of the 'never kicked a baw' mob. He's dire and hopefully he's sold.

Marc Overmars

14-07-2023, 02:49 PM

Hopefully he makes the right back slot his own but I’m reading he’s mainly played as centre back for Ajax.

Arteta’s fetish for dual position full backs is a bit irritating.

mandela8

14-07-2023, 02:50 PM

Not having Xhaka and Ben Shite in the starting line up next season is just fuckin huge. What a massive improvement already.

HCZ_Reborn

14-07-2023, 03:10 PM

Honest question, are there any English players we have that you do like?

Letters

14-07-2023, 03:11 PM

Not having Xhaka and Ben Shite in the starting line up next season is just fuckin huge. What a massive improvement already.

If only we could get rid of that Saka bum, amirite?

mandela8

14-07-2023, 03:13 PM

If only we could get rid of that Saka bum, amirite?

The money they could get for Saka would far, far, faaaaaaaaar exceed the value Saka offers to the team.

Letters

14-07-2023, 03:46 PM

The money they could get for Saka would far, far, faaaaaaaaar exceed the value Saka offers to the team.

We'd certainly get a metric shit-ton of money for him because he's young, English and, despite your ridiculous trolling sincere opinions, extremely good.
But we'd need to replace him and that wouldn't be cheap or easy unlike your mum

HCZ_Reborn

14-07-2023, 03:51 PM

We'd certainly get a metric shit-ton of money for him because he's young, English and, despite your ridiculous trolling sincere opinions, extremely good.
But we'd need to replace him and that wouldn't be cheap or easy unlike your mum

The only English player he doesn’t slag off is Ramsdale. Don’t even know why he supports Arsenal given his absolute Anti-English nonsense

Other than GG, Charlie George, Frank McLintock and a few others don’t even know of a strong Arsenal-Caledonian collection

Chippy

14-07-2023, 04:03 PM

Good to see he's an Arsenal fan, always helps and generally looks like a good signing

If he had joined Liverpool, he would have claimed that he was a life long Liverpool fan :rolleyes:
Fickle.com

Chippy

14-07-2023, 04:04 PM

Honest question, are there any English players we have that you do like?

Honest question, do we have many English players?

mandela8

14-07-2023, 04:21 PM

We'd certainly get a metric shit-ton of money for him because he's young, English and, despite your ridiculous trolling sincere opinions, extremely good.
But we'd need to replace him and that wouldn't be cheap or easy unlike your mum

Ahh...the classic trolling accusation.

Look, man. As I've continually asked, which games has he been really good in? Just tell me a few. Surely it's easy, given how good he is?

The racist abuse he received was horrendous and no one should be subjected to that but the reality is that he was deified from that point and is immune from scrutiny, much less criticism which he consistently deserves.

But, 90% of fitba fans have no idea what they're seeing (having never kicked a baw) and are happy just to be carried along by the narrative. Fine, man. But fuck off with your trolling accusations, you stupid little cunt.

Cheers.

Letters

14-07-2023, 04:37 PM

Ahh...the classic trolling accusation.
Ahh...the classic wide-eyed faux innocent "who me?" response.
You've spent years on here trolling fella.

I'm not going to cherry pick games, just looking at his overall stats you can see how effective he is.
And if he's as bad as you think he is it should be easy for you to find some other experts who share your view - not fans, as you rightly say many of them don't know what they're talking about.
Show us all these ex-players or coaches lining up to say how overrated he is.

Marc Overmars

14-07-2023, 04:45 PM

HCZ_Reborn

14-07-2023, 04:48 PM

Ahh...the classic trolling accusation.

Look, man. As I've continually asked, which games has he been really good in? Just tell me a few. Surely it's easy, given how good he is?

The racist abuse he received was horrendous and no one should be subjected to that but the reality is that he was deified from that point and is immune from scrutiny, much less criticism which he consistently deserves.

But, 90% of fitba fans have no idea what they're seeing (having never kicked a baw) and are happy just to be carried along by the narrative. Fine, man. But fuck off with your trolling accusations, you stupid little cunt.

Cheers.

No one seriously accused you of racism so don’t start that one…being Anti English isn’t racism, it’s just having a chip on your shoulder for no rational reason

It would be honestly easier to name the games he was terrible, I don’t know what you’re expecting from him but when he consistently terrorises full backs, is consistently our most useful attacking player…even when he’s not playing well he manages to keep the ball in play and players have to foul him to stop him in his tracks

I know you won’t respond to this but you’ll read it. If you don’t rate him fine, but when you’re clearly the only person I’ve ever heard from who thinks he is shit, talking to the rest of us like we’ve got two heads might just lead people to think you’re a troll.

HCZ_Reborn

14-07-2023, 04:49 PM

HCZ_Reborn

14-07-2023, 04:51 PM

Honest question, do we have many English players?

In the first team squad?

Ramsdale, Holding (hopefully not too much longer), Rice (tba), Nelson, Smith Rowe, Nketiah and Saka

mandela8

14-07-2023, 05:05 PM

Ahh...the classic wide-eyed faux innocent "who me?" response.
You've spent years on here trolling fella.

I'm not going to cherry pick games, just looking at his overall stats you can see how effective he is.
And if he's as bad as you think he is it should be easy for you to find some other experts who share your view - not fans, as you rightly say many of them don't know what they're talking about.
Show us all these ex-players or coaches lining up to say how overrated he is.

I've never trolled on fitba matters and not at all since I returned. Fuck sake, I don't even read or engage with people I've no time for. Just don't have the same interests as I did, what, 15 years ago.

As for the ex players or coaches point, he's been deified. No one will say anything negative towards him publicly. It's ridiculous. We've seen him being the worst player on the pitch and get man of the match multiple times, ffs.

Stats are for idiots who don't know what they're watching but his aren't great anyway, so bit of a weird point, tbh.

Letters

14-07-2023, 05:41 PM

As for the ex players or coaches point, he's been deified. No one will say anything negative towards him publicly.
So, basically, most fans don’t know what they are talking about.
Ex-footballers or coaches do so I guess they all know he’s terrible but won’t say so because reasons.
Which leaves you standing alone, you’re one of the fans who does know what they’re talking about and you bravely say it while the others won’t or can’t.

Either that or you’re full of shit.

We've seen him being the worst player on the pitch and get man of the match multiple times, ffs.
Well, you’ve seen that. But this is where if you’re not trolling then you’re clearly deluded.
It’s why you come across as a troll.
If you think he’s overrated then ok, that’s a reasonable position which can be discussed.
But it’s such obvious bollox that Saka has played multiple games, stunk the place up and then been given MoTM because of some weird conspiracy to inflate his status in the game.

mandela8

14-07-2023, 05:50 PM

So, basically, most fans don’t know what they are talking about.
Ex-footballers or coaches do so I guess they all know he’s terrible but won’t say so because reasons.
Which leaves you standing alone, you’re one of the fans who does know what they’re talking about and you bravely say it while the others won’t or can’t.

Either that or you’re full of shit.

Well, you’ve seen that. But this is where if you’re not trolling then you’re clearly deluded.
It’s why you come across as a troll.
If you think he’s overrated then ok, that’s a reasonable position which can be discussed.
But it’s such obvious bollox that Saka has played multiple games, stunk the place up and then been given MoTM because of some weird conspiracy to inflate his status in the game.

Most fans don't know what they're talking about, correct. I've used 90% as an approximation but it's probably higher.

I've already explained the reasons pundits/media see him as untouchable. You may dismiss those reasons if you want. That's you're prerogative.

Aye, i do know what I'm talking about, clearly.

Aye, I've seen him be the worst player on the pitch and be awarded multiple man of the matches. I've also seen him be awarded one "not for his performance but for the smile on his face", which I posted about at the time.

The media have a history of building people up, for whatever reasons. Saka is lucky to be benefitting from this.

Chippy

14-07-2023, 05:53 PM

In the first team squad?

Ramsdale, Holding (hopefully not too much longer), Rice (tba), Nelson, Smith Rowe, Nketiah and Saka
I thought Nketiah was Nigerian?

HCZ_Reborn

14-07-2023, 05:57 PM

I thought Nketiah was Nigerian?

Nope

HCZ_Reborn

14-07-2023, 07:45 PM

So, basically, most fans don’t know what they are talking about.
Ex-footballers or coaches do so I guess they all know he’s terrible but won’t say so because reasons.
Which leaves you standing alone, you’re one of the fans who does know what they’re talking about and you bravely say it while the others won’t or can’t.

Either that or you’re full of shit.

Well, you’ve seen that. But this is where if you’re not trolling then you’re clearly deluded.
It’s why you come across as a troll.
If you think he’s overrated then ok, that’s a reasonable position which can be discussed.
But it’s such obvious bollox that Saka has played multiple games, stunk the place up and then been given MoTM because of some weird conspiracy to inflate his status in the game.

Why over complicate things?, the guy is both full of shit and a troll

I have no reason to believe his opinion about Saka is anything but genuine. In some ways I’m sympathetic, loads of people rated Ramsey even though he was terrible.

But Saka? I’m not really seeing what the issue is…reminds me of players like Thomas and Rocastle. Does he have a point that the media overhypes players…yes but a) there’s a difference between that and saying he’s shit and b) this stuff about him being awarded the man of the match when he was shit is just utter horse manure.

Where he’s a troll is where he claims that what he’s speaking is objective fact…and then brings in the childish insult (now I love childish insults more than most, but you can’t claim you’re engaging seriously when you do)

I find it tiresome with him. That and the god awful Scottish affectation. I know so many Scottish people and they neither speak or type with this “hoots mon” nonsense he puts on. Maybe it’s because he lives across the pond and he needs to reassert some kind of identity that he has lost in displacing himself.

Either way the guy’s a prick.

Chippy

14-07-2023, 08:21 PM

Nope

Must have got confused with the name I guess :doh:

21_GOONER_SALUTE

14-07-2023, 11:46 PM

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12921232/declan-rice-to-arsenal-west-ham-sign-deal-to-sell-captain-to-gunners-after-receiving-paperwork

West Ham have now signed the deal to sell captain Declan Rice after finally receiving paperwork from Arsenal.

The transfer was agreed eight days ago and the Hammers were becoming increasingly frustrated by the delay to complete the deal.

One insider told Sky Sports News: "I've never known anything like this saga".

Stupid Sky, they could have at least mentioned my name... now I'll have to get the missus to do it :sulk: :satan:

Marc Overmars

15-07-2023, 07:01 AM

Rice has posted his farewell video to West Ham, so this one is finally done.

LDG

15-07-2023, 07:07 AM

West Ham also officially confirm he has left.

Come on Deccers

HCZ_Reborn

15-07-2023, 07:37 AM

Shame, I was hoping this would drag out a bit more. Thoroughly enjoyed winding up West Ham fans

“Chill out guys…we will definitely get this deal done before the season starts, if you’re very lucky might even give you time to sign a replacement”

LDG

15-07-2023, 07:58 AM

Just sold your star, to Mikel Arteta

HCZ_Reborn

15-07-2023, 08:06 AM

Mac76

15-07-2023, 11:56 AM

I genuinely hate West Ham now, the way they conducted themselves over this transfer. They demanded an exorbitant fee (which they got) and a structure of payment that even City told them to go fuck themselves over (which they got) and then spent their time drumming their fingers impatiently because we took our time over the contract.

I sincerely hope that the contract contains a clause where in they become a repository for every inadequate shit player we want to get rid of, have to put in a mandatory minimum bid. We should definitely try to sell Holding to them.

If you don't like the deal you should look at Arsenal not West Ham - we could have done a Citeh if we'd wanted - the only way people get away with behaviour like that is if they know there's someone desperate enough to buy the player because they've heavily committed to him publicly and now don't want to lose face by not getting them - if West Ham take advantage of that then they're only doing what any club should do and that's maximise the price they get for the player

McNamara That Ghost...

15-07-2023, 12:03 PM

https://youtu.be/FsKKiNxHB8k

McNamara That Ghost...

15-07-2023, 12:07 PM

https://twitter.com/Arsenal/status/1680186746728861696?t=RM6WRME_m98JGkYBBpRqwg&s=19

Mac76

15-07-2023, 12:09 PM

No. 41 :haha:

Marc Overmars

15-07-2023, 12:30 PM

What a man.

Let’s fugging go guys.

21_GOONER_SALUTE

15-07-2023, 02:21 PM

https://youtu.be/FsKKiNxHB8k

:lol: is this normal, or we just did it for the cameras?

Mac76

15-07-2023, 02:24 PM

If he had joined Liverpool, he would have claimed that he was a life long Liverpool fan :rolleyes:
Fickle.com

Actually no, he said he was an Arsenal fan a few years ago

MustTryHarder.com

Mac76

15-07-2023, 03:02 PM

It’s fair to be sickened by the love-in for him, even rival fans adore him. He appears to be a pretty grounded and humble kid which is great to see.

I don’t like how he’s become undroppable though, there’s no doubt he should have been rotated a lot more during the run-in.

if you're talking about Saka I'm still convinced that Arteta didn't want to drop him for two reasons: 1) he felt like he could get a goal at any minute (even when he was worn out) but also 2) before he signed his new contract i think Arteta was too scared to drop him in case Saka (or his agent who was looking for a nice percentage from a new club) had their head turned by some other club promising he'd always be first on the team sheet

I'm hoping that now he has agreed a new contract and we have more options Arteta will rotate more but I'm still not convinced until I see it

with Timber on board, plus Nelson and maybe Tierney staying, plus Trossard and others, we should have some good selection alternatives and in particular a workable Plan B team we can field in certain matches like cup games and against more beatable PL opposition

mandela8

15-07-2023, 04:08 PM

if you're talking about Saka I'm still convinced that Arteta didn't want to drop him for two reasons: 1) he felt like he could get a goal at any minute (even when he was worn out) but also 2) before he signed his new contract i think Arteta was too scared to drop him in case Saka (or his agent who was looking for a nice percentage from a new club) had their head turned by some other club promising he'd always be first on the team sheet

I'm hoping that now he has agreed a new contract and we have more options Arteta will rotate more but I'm still not convinced until I see it

with Timber on board, plus Nelson and maybe Tierney staying, plus Trossard and others, we should have some good selection alternatives and in particular a workable Plan B team we can field in certain matches like cup games and against more beatable PL opposition

The squad, as it stands, is relatively fuckin brilliant, man. Compared to the last decade it's phenomenal. We lack a bit of quality in the 3 attacking positions, imho. We have good options and potential but not the same level we now have everywhere else on the pitch.

I think it's inevitable we'll sell a few and players like Tierney or Partey will be huge losses, but as it stands...great squad.

Realistic options to sell that don't overly weaken the squad are restricted to Elneny or Jorginho, White and Nketiah. I won't hear a word about my boy Holding being sold, obvs.

HCZ_Reborn

15-07-2023, 04:22 PM

If you don't like the deal you should look at Arsenal not West Ham - we could have done a Citeh if we'd wanted - the only way people get away with behaviour like that is if they know there's someone desperate enough to buy the player because they've heavily committed to him publicly and now don't want to lose face by not getting them - if West Ham take advantage of that then they're only doing what any club should do and that's maximise the price they get for the player

It’s not the deal although I don’t like that, it’s them whinging about how long it took us to complete the deal and being leakier than your incontinent nan

Mac76

15-07-2023, 05:36 PM

The squad, as it stands, is relatively fuckin brilliant, man. Compared to the last decade it's phenomenal. We lack a bit of quality in the 3 attacking positions, imho. We have good options and potential but not the same level we now have everywhere else on the pitch.

I think it's inevitable we'll sell a few and players like Tierney or Partey will be huge losses, but as it stands...great squad.

Realistic options to sell that don't overly weaken the squad are restricted to Elneny or Jorginho, White and Nketiah. I won't hear a word about my boy Holding being sold, obvs.

We should sell Eddie, Holding, Suarez, Pepe, Tavares, Lokonga and IMO Zinchenko - though in that last case, sadly that's about as likely as your achieving your own dream result of our selling Saka :lol:

HCZ_Reborn

15-07-2023, 05:53 PM

We should sell Eddie, Holding, Suarez, Pepe, Tavares, Lokonga and IMO Zinchenko - though in that last case, sadly that's about as likely as your achieving your own dream result of our selling Saka :lol:

Suarez?

Oh Cedric Soares. I think sell might be optimistic, but should get rid

mandela8

15-07-2023, 06:19 PM

We should sell Eddie, Holding, Suarez, Pepe, Tavares, Lokonga and IMO Zinchenko - though in that last case, sadly that's about as likely as your achieving your own dream result of our selling Saka :lol:

Aye, fair enough. Forgot about Taveres, Pepe and Cedric...and Lokonga. Zinchenko stays or needs to be replaced and I'd keep Holding because I love him.

Mac76

15-07-2023, 09:12 PM

Aye, fair enough. Forgot about Taveres, Pepe and Cedric...and Lokonga. Zinchenko stays or needs to be replaced and I'd keep Holding because I love him.

We can replace Zin with a good qualiry LB - if only we had one on our books but - hang on - we do! KT :)

Problem solved

HCZ_Reborn

16-07-2023, 06:58 AM

Lots of rumours suggesting that Partey has agreed personal terms to go to Saudi Arabia, in many ways hope this isn’t true because I think the money we’ve been forced to pay up front for Rice means we probably wouldn’t be able to bring in someone like Caicedo or Tchouameni to replace him

Marc Overmars

16-07-2023, 12:24 PM

Must say I do like how Rice carries himself. Seems like straight talker and a very relatable individual, so much more personality than the average footballer these days.

Niall_Quinn

16-07-2023, 12:45 PM

I think he meant welcome to our professional sports club, not family. It's not a family and he's not their dad. We had enough of that already.

HCZ_Reborn

16-07-2023, 02:46 PM

I think he meant welcome to our professional sports club, not family. It's not a family and he's not their dad. We had enough of that already.

For me not enough coaches are like Terence Fletcher

Absolutely wouldn’t improve the performance but would be funny

dostoy

16-07-2023, 03:40 PM

HCZ_Reborn

16-07-2023, 03:57 PM

It seems to me that sometime soon, Kane will be going to Germany.

I wanted him to stay and leave for free next summer.

Its a good deal for Spuds because if he signs a 4 year contract then he won't be playing for an English club for a while, but if they let him leave for free, he can sign for who he wants.

I knew Levy wouldn't allow him to leave for free.

Would be absolutely stupid and even if he was prepared to, he’d be overruled by others on the ENIC board surely

If they get for him near on what we paid for Rice that would be excellent business for them as long as it’s reinvested wisely

I have to say I actually like Kane as a person, not the sharpest tool in the shed but seems like a genuine bloke and if he’d wanted he could have really made a genuine stink about not being sold before now. But he hasn’t and I respect that

Been a good player for England too

Chippy

16-07-2023, 04:57 PM

Must say I do like how Rice carries himself. Seems like straight talker and a very relatable individual, so much more personality than the average footballer these days.
Totally agree. Nice to have a humble, young Englishman as a future captain. :)

HCZ_Reborn

16-07-2023, 06:31 PM

Totally agree. Nice to have a humble, young Englishman as a future captain. :)

Oh no not at all

That’s the problem, although the captain is largely a symbolic position…the best teams had utter cunts as captains

Roy Keane, John Terry, Steve McMahon

Of course you can’t get away with it anymore because if you’re even slightly famous your life is under the microscope.

Tony Adams was a bit of a Cunt, but that was more emotional vulnerability dealing with alcoholism…his heart wasn’t really in being a cunt. He had to get pissed before he went though Brentwood town centre snapping all the radio aerials on cars, or kicking over a salad cart in Pizza Hut.

You need to be the kind of person who bears a grudge for a perceived slight for over two years to end another players career

Getting a blow Job from a teenager whilst their wife is in labour

A real unmitigated piece of shit

Niall_Quinn

16-07-2023, 07:54 PM

Oh no not at all

That’s the problem, although the captain is largely a symbolic position…the best teams had utter cunts as captains

Roy Keane, John Terry, Steve McMahon

Of course you can’t get away with it anymore because if you’re even slightly famous your life is under the microscope.

Tony Adams was a bit of a Cunt, but that was more emotional vulnerability dealing with alcoholism…his heart wasn’t really in being a cunt. He had to get pissed before he went though Brentwood town centre snapping all the radio aerials on cars, or kicking over a salad cart in Pizza Hut.

You need to be the kind of person who bears a grudge for a perceived slight for over two years to end another players career

Getting a blow Job from a teenager whilst their wife is in labour

A real unmitigated piece of shit

Was easier to say you hate Adams.

HCZ_Reborn

16-07-2023, 07:58 PM

Was easier to say you hate Adams.

No I don’t hate TA at all, most of those observations were those he made about himself in his own book that alcoholism caused him to be massively emotionally stunted.

Mac76

16-07-2023, 11:40 PM

Would be absolutely stupid and even if he was prepared to, he’d be overruled by others on the ENIC board surely

If they get for him near on what we paid for Rice that would be excellent business for them as long as it’s reinvested wisely

I have to say I actually like Kane as a person, not the sharpest tool in the shed but seems like a genuine bloke and if he’d wanted he could have really made a genuine stink about not being sold before now. But he hasn’t and I respect that

Been a good player for England too

I can't stand him - he's a total cheat and slightly less intelligent than the average breeze block

Letters

17-07-2023, 07:37 AM

I can't stand him - he's a total cheat and slightly less intelligent than the average breeze block

Unlike all the other footballers of course who are paragons for fair play and regularly discuss philosophy while listening to classical music.

I don't particularly have a problem with him as a person, not do I particularly like him really. I think he's being an idiot staying at Spurs so long and missing out of big trophies but it's his career.

HCZ_Reborn

17-07-2023, 07:57 AM

I think the only alternative was to act like an utter prick and stamp his feet until Levy changed his mind

Maybe he should have done that but it’s not the kind of behaviour I respect.

But then again, even if you are respectful about it fans will still berate you, so you can’t win

Basically it’s too early for me to come to a settled view point. Mac takes against a lot of people, that’s not a criticism because I take against a lot of people too.

Mac76

17-07-2023, 08:49 AM

Unlike all the other footballers of course who are paragons for fair play

but he's particularly pronounced at it - I don't respect his stats because so many of them are unwarranted pels and also he should have received far more cards in his career than he has - the general Spuds love-in, plus the England Captain protection, have helped him a lot - and then he's had Son giving him a lot of easy chances

put him at Crystal Palace and he'd be a goal every five games, if that

Mac76

17-07-2023, 08:51 AM

Mac takes against a lot of people

not really, only Spuds trolls who hang out on Arsenal message boards

HCZ_Reborn

17-07-2023, 09:03 AM

not really, only Spuds trolls who hang out on Arsenal message boards

This just across as bitter jealousy that you lack my ability for insulting people

Plus given you seem to dislike everything about Arsenal presently, makes me wonder if this is just projection and your stated dislike of Kane just a bluff or bitter tears because you know he will be leaving your beloved club

HCZ_Reborn

17-07-2023, 10:09 AM

Burnley are after Lokonga, given this is a premier league club…how much do you think we should hold out for?. I’m saying 15 million.

Marc Overmars

17-07-2023, 10:43 AM

Burnley are after Lokonga, given this is a premier league club…how much do you think we should hold out for?. I’m saying 15 million.

Yeah around about what we paid for him at least.

dostoy

17-07-2023, 02:44 PM

I can't stand him - he's a total cheat and slightly less intelligent than the average breeze block

I can't stand him either.

He cheats so much. How many times has he fallen over in the penalty area when spuds are losing ?

He stayed for so long because he thought they would be winning trophies and in the CL every year.

He is completely stupid, as we all know.

Mac76

17-07-2023, 04:53 PM

This just across as bitter jealousy that you lack my ability for insulting people

Plus given you seem to dislike everything about Arsenal presently, makes me wonder if this is just projection and your stated dislike of Kane just a bluff or bitter tears because you know he will be leaving your beloved club

Nice attempt at deflection, but it won't wash I'm afraid

As for disliking Arsenal, it wasn't me, halfway through last season, constantly giving 5-or-6-out-of-10 marks to players who were winning match after match in a side that was top of the league

Only a Spuds troll would do that

I've been less negative about Havertz than a lot of people, think Timber is a good signing and my main issue with Rice is he simply cost too much and I think that a more canny club could maybe have done better, although given the Citeh interest, maybe not

HCZ_Reborn

17-07-2023, 05:05 PM

Nice attempt at deflection, but it won't wash I'm afraid

As for disliking Arsenal, it wasn't me, halfway through last season, constantly giving 5-or-6-out-of-10 marks to players who were winning match after match in a side that was top of the league

Only a Spuds troll would do that

I've been less negative about Havertz than a lot of people, think Timber is a good signing and my main issue with Rice is he simply cost too much and I think that a more canny club could maybe have done better, although given the Citeh interest, maybe not

Is that your stance now? Only a Spurs troll would disagree with me? :haha: :haha:

Man You’re the living embodiment of the Dunning-Kruger effect, the stupider your opinions are the more you think they are evidence of your expertise.

No I gave players 5 or 6 because they were no more than average against mid table teams and sides that got relegated, and your understanding of ratings comes from reading PlayStation magazine as a kid.

And the fact that you’re still on about that now is confirmation of your borderline psychotic belief in your amateurish opinions

Still though, not as impressive example of your brazen stupidity as you lying about how you can read Player’s personality types based on your match day experiences.

Do you even go to all these games that you claim?….I’m left wondering

You basically joined in with 21 Brain cells over getting annoyed by our negotiations tactics because you literally can’t help yourself, then without even properly reading my post you tell me I should look to Arsenal rather than West Ham over their conduct in the Rice transfer.

Oh and Kai Havertz? Didn’t you also speculate that the only reason we bought him is because he might be a pliable personality rather than James Maddison (though admittedly that could have been 21 separate child sex offences…can’t tell the difference between the two of you at times….you’re like a gestalt bell end)

Mac76

17-07-2023, 05:24 PM

Is that your stance now? Only a Spurs troll would disagree with me? :haha: :haha:

Man You’re the living embodiment of the Dunning-Kruger effect, the stupider your opinions are the more you think they are evidence of your expertise.

No I gave players 5 or 6 because they were no more than average against mid table teams and sides that got relegated, and your understanding of ratings comes from reading PlayStation magazine as a kid.

And the fact that you’re still on about that now is confirmation of your borderline psychotic belief in your amateurish opinions

Still though, not as impressive example of your brazen stupidity as you lying about how you can read Player’s personality types based on your match day experiences.

Do you even go to all these games that you claim?….I’m left wondering

You basically joined in with 21 Brain cells over getting annoyed by our negotiations tactics because you literally can’t help yourself.

Gosh you've been saving all that up haven't you, hope you feel better now, although maybe you'll consider that every additional unnecessary and semi-coherent diatribe only reinforces what everyone thinks/knows about you

HCZ_Reborn

17-07-2023, 05:32 PM

Gosh you've been saving all that up haven't you, hope you feel better now, although maybe you'll consider that every additional unnecessary and semi-coherent diatribe only reinforces what everyone thinks/knows about you

Honestly that’s just mild teasing on my part

The fact that you’re such a thin skinned individual leads you to think that it’s annoyance.

No someone else suggested I was a Spurs fan because I lay on personal abuse when people get upset when I attack their opinions, and you’ve run with it because you literally have such a deranged belief in your own point of view that you think it’s actually probably true.

It’s not even really worth me responding to, apart from commenting that it would be obviously moronic that anyone who supports that mob would have any reason to troll Arsenal fans considering the absolute shambles their club is in. But no sadly for me I support the same club as you (although not really sad, I have no expectation of liking other Arsenal fans seems bizarre to me that supporting the same club should give people any sense of solidarity)

But please don’t let me stop you trying to use that Trump card in lieu of an argument in future

Niall_Quinn

17-07-2023, 05:32 PM

Harry Kane? Are you kidding? He's an epic cheat. He's everything that is wrong with modern game. Therefore perfectly suited to it. Good striker and all, by modern (very low) standards. Proven goalscorer, no doubt. Maybe even a decent bloke off the pitch, though that is highly unlikely given what he's prepared to do on the pitch. As a footballer, one of the worst scum ever to foul the game.

We should sign him. We need a few goals from the lads up top.

Niall_Quinn

17-07-2023, 05:37 PM

Shearer was the same btw. Pure scum. But can't argue with his results.

HCZ_Reborn

18-07-2023, 11:43 AM

Chelsea had another bid for Caicedo rejected

Marc Overmars

18-07-2023, 12:24 PM

Guessing they probably won’t get him for less than what we paid for Rice.

We fucked the market for any semi decent DM. :lol:

18-07-2023, 02:38 PM

I suppose Bellingham set the tone really.

HCZ_Reborn

18-07-2023, 04:56 PM

Not only rejected but rejected “out of hand”

Which is short hand for, fuck off and don’t bother us again unless you’re prepared to stop taking the piss.

You love to see it.

HCZ_Reborn

19-07-2023, 07:07 AM

At the point now where I personally wouldn’t be too bothered if we don’t sign anymore players, I actually think we could trim the squad to a point where we’d have a very decent squad. My two biggest areas of concern are selling Partey (although this seems to be looking unlikely) and selling Balogun (which unfortunately is almost certain)

But for me the squad would be best served looking like this

Goalkeepers: Ramsdale and Turner

Defenders: Tierney, Gabriel, Kiwior, Saliba, White, Timber, Tomoyasu

(Players sold - Holding, Cedric and Tavares)

Midfielders: Partey, Rice, Jorginho, Zinchenko, Havertz, Odegaard, Smith-Rowe

(Players sold - Elneny, Lokonga and Vieira)

Forwards: Martinelli, Trossard, Nelson, Saka, Pepe, Jesus, Balogun

(Players sold - Nketiah)

I personally think Pepe is useful enough so as to make forking out 50 million or more on a right sided attacking player pointless, Zinchenko I simply cannot abide at left back, but for me could be a useful squad player in midfield. Tomoyasu was another player I wanted to sell but I think the fact that he can cover left back and right back makes him a useful utility player. And I absolutely think should convince Balogun to stay by promising him the chance to start multiple games (If we are holding out for 50 million for him that should tell us that actually we’d be far better off utilising him for goals than cash)

I think Vieira is a player we are far more likely to be able to get rid of on loan than permanently, the others I earmarked for sales I don’t think we’d get much cash for but they would be off the wage bill at least

Marc Overmars

19-07-2023, 09:40 AM

I would like Balogun to stay but I’d understand if he’s sold should the right offer come in. He probably isn’t going to accept being a bit part player now and we do need to bring some cash back in and he’s the most saleable asset we’ve got.

Pepe I feel a bit sorry for because the key people involved in bringing him to the club moved on soon after he arrived, he’s not wanted and that’s just brutal truth for him. Plus I don’t think he’s robust enough for the PL anyway.

Feel like our squad is shaping up nicely. I just hope Arteta rotates a little bit more this season and keeps them hungry, it shouldn’t take injuries or form dropping off a cliff to make changes.

HCZ_Reborn

19-07-2023, 10:08 AM

I absolutely don’t see either staying

But I think it would make sense to keep them. But what makes sense to me, isn’t what makes sense to Arteta

Biggest problem is his tendency to be Galaxy brained, get the basics right. He’s got no excuse not to rotate he’s spent enough money that he can’t go around saying he doesn’t trust certain players enough

Mac76

19-07-2023, 11:10 AM

I just hope Arteta rotates a little bit more this season and keeps them hungry, it shouldn’t take injuries or form dropping off a cliff to make changes.

This is absolutely the key test of whether Arteta's learnt anything over the last two seasons

I raelly hope now he's tied down some key players to new contracts, plus got more quality players in, he can feel a bit more relaxed about rotating them

plus of course he needs to show he can adapt the team and tactics to suit the opposition in a way he's not been up to doing so far

Mac76

19-07-2023, 11:19 AM

HCZ_Reborn

19-07-2023, 11:30 AM

not a bad summary for a Spuds fan ;)

however i disagree with selling Elneny, who remains a useful utility player in lesser games - I would instead sell Partey before people cotton on to the fact he is only operating at about 70% (if that) in most games

I appreciate that during the cost of living you want to help out

But really I don’t need to live rent free in your head

Plus sell Partey but keep Elneny and I’m the Spurs fan :lol:. No matter your evil hopes for sabotage, it still requires spurs to be less of a joke to profit from it

Mac76

19-07-2023, 11:33 AM

I appreciate that during the cost of living you want to help out

But really I don’t need to live rent free in your head

but it's you that's literally sitting around waiting to pounce whenever I or anyone else posts - you need to have more going on in your life IMO

HCZ_Reborn

19-07-2023, 11:44 AM

but it's you that's literally sitting around waiting to pounce whenever I or anyone else posts - you need to have more going on in your life IMO

Yes I’m definitely waiting for you to engage with me, it’s what I live for. Couldn’t be that it’s easy to access this on my phone and it’s more fun than answering emails

Anyway not to burst your bubble, if the calling me a spurs fan is an attempt to annoy me enough that I’ll stop taking the piss when you make daft statements….you’re going to be very disappointed.

Anyway I’ve got a meeting in fifteen minutes so if you’re holding out for me to reply again. You may be disappointed

dostoy

19-07-2023, 03:48 PM

Anyway I’ve got a meeting in fifteen minutes so if you’re holding out for me to reply again. You may be disappointed

Is it a meeting with your boss ?

I think he is going to tell you that you are not cleaning the mens and womens toilets well enough.

:trophy:

Marc Overmars

19-07-2023, 04:11 PM

Mate of mine from Uni started a cleaning business after we graduated. Grafted for years and now owns a 5 bed house in a very nice part of Hertfordshire. Don’t knock cleaning toilets!

HCZ_Reborn

19-07-2023, 04:38 PM

Mate of mine from Uni started a cleaning business after we graduated. Grafted for years and now owns a 5 bed house in a very nice part of Hertfordshire. Don’t knock cleaning toilets!

Especially given that a landlord once deducted me a part of my deposit for an unclean toilet even though it was in reference to filth that was behind the cistern that was there before I moved in. Wasn’t worth making a fuss over (fifty quid I think) so just had to lump it

HCZ_Reborn

19-07-2023, 04:39 PM

Is it a meeting with your boss ?

I think he is going to tell you that you are not cleaning the mens and womens toilets well enough.

:trophy:

Bedroom meeting with your mother. Funny you mention toilets, as she tells me you keep pebble dashing the bowl and seat

dostoy

19-07-2023, 07:03 PM

Oh dear.

I meant it as a joke but I think I've touched a nerve.

Marc Overmars

19-07-2023, 07:27 PM

Mahrez and Henderson are the latest to be lured to Saudi Arabia.

Henderson is going to earn 700k a week. :haha:

HCZ_Reborn

19-07-2023, 07:37 PM

Oh dear.

I meant it as a joke but I think I've touched a nerve.

Your mum touched a nerve

In point of fact I was in a bit of a foul mood when I responded but a) work related stuff and b) your mum jokes always hit the mark because well everyone has a mum or at least had one

HCZ_Reborn

19-07-2023, 07:51 PM

Mahrez and Henderson are the latest to be lured to Saudi Arabia.

Henderson is going to earn 700k a week. :haha:

Heard that Bernardo Silva might be going as well.

Losing Gundogan, Silva and Mahrez and bringing in Kovacic and possibly Guardiol….feels to me that City seem desperate to square their accounts

Mac76

20-07-2023, 08:16 AM

Is it a meeting with your boss ?

I think he is going to tell you that you are not cleaning the mens and womens toilets well enough.

:trophy:

:lol:

Niall_Quinn

20-07-2023, 11:30 PM

Bedroom meeting with your mother. Funny you mention toilets, as she tells me you keep pebble dashing the bowl and seat

Shame I'm not in the same room as you or I'd knock you out. Scumbag.

HCZ_Reborn

21-07-2023, 06:32 AM

Shame I'm not in the same room as you or I'd knock you out. Scumbag.

How would you do that? Breathe on me?

Letters

21-07-2023, 08:26 AM

:lol:

https://i.ibb.co/TLp1Yhf/BadAss.jpg

WMUG

21-07-2023, 09:10 AM

Shame I'm not in the same room as you or I'd knock you out. Scumbag.

What happened to sticks and stones?

HCZ_Reborn

21-07-2023, 09:49 AM

What happened to sticks and stones?

I get the distinction impression this wasn’t serious but hard to tell with NQ. Maybe mothers or pebble dashed toilet bowls are his trigger

Mac76

21-07-2023, 12:53 PM

I get the distinction impression this wasn’t serious but hard to tell with NQ. Maybe mothers or pebble dashed toilet bowls are his trigger

Having also received threats of violence from him in the past, as have several members of this board, I queried this with him the other day and he explained that his libertarian/anarchist principles are non-violent - except when they're not...

HCZ_Reborn

21-07-2023, 01:23 PM

Having also received threats of violence from him in the past, as have several members of this board, I queried this with him the other day and he explained that his libertarian/anarchist principles are non-violent - except when they're not...

I’ve always felt he takes to heart the official motto of the US state of New Hampshire “Live Free or Die”

I also get the distinct impression that he believes almost everyone who has had any part in governance be it what’s there on the surface or the obvious murky clandestine elements should be entreated to the same fate as Nicolae and Elena Ceaucescu.

Niall_Quinn

21-07-2023, 05:01 PM

Having also received threats of violence from him in the past, as have several members of this board, I queried this with him the other day and he explained that his libertarian/anarchist principles are non-violent - except when they're not...

Shame you don't have the integrity to quote what I actually said.

So here they are, the usual suspects. Rushing in to defend their little mate with the nasty mouth and even nastier mind. Same old.

HCZ_Reborn

21-07-2023, 05:24 PM

Auba has gone to Marseille

Mac76

21-07-2023, 05:25 PM

Shame you don't have the integrity to quote what I actually said.

So here they are, the usual suspects. Rushing in to defend their little mate with the nasty mouth and even nastier mind. Same old.

Trsut me, I'm not defending HCZ one bit, his obsession with sexual depravity is quite worrying tbh :lol:

and apologies if I'm misrepresenting you - you still shouldn't threaten people online though

HCZ_Reborn

21-07-2023, 05:26 PM

Trsut me, I'm not defending HCZ one bit, his obsession with sexual depravity is quite worrying tbh :lol:

and apologies if I'm misrepresenting you - you still shouldn't threaten people online though

How dare you

How is shagging someone’s mum sexual depravity you prude :haha:

McNamara That Ghost...

22-07-2023, 07:02 AM

Mbappe told to do one by PSG apparently.

Sign him up. :bow:

Mac76

22-07-2023, 08:02 AM

Mbappe told to do one by PSG apparently.

Sign him up. :bow:

In all seriousness, if we can get him the Kroenkes need to get out the chequebook, (sorry 'checkbook' :rolleyes:) again and 'kin buy 'im

HCZ_Reborn

22-07-2023, 09:01 AM

In all seriousness, if we can get him the Kroenkes need to get out the chequebook, (sorry 'checkbook' :rolleyes:) again and 'kin buy 'im

I think might cause a few FFP issues even if the Kroenkes were feeling that generous, arguably sailing close to the wind with current purchases

I think they are a bit of an impasse. As I don’t think Real Madrid can afford him now but PSG won’t want him to leave for nothing. Quite possibly they might strike a gentleman’s agreement to extend his current deal with the promise that he will definitely be allowed to leave next summer.

But equally there’s nothing PSG can do to stop him running down his contract and leaving for nothing

He is the one player out there for who money should be no object, if we could afford it I wouldn’t object to spending 200 million on him because I think in a very short time he’d become our all time top goalscorer and we’d definitely I think win the title

HCZ_Reborn

22-07-2023, 12:30 PM

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11670/12925322/mikel-arteta-says-he-wants-thomas-partey-to-stay-at-arsenal-despite-arrival-of-declan-rice-from-west-ham

If Arteta is to be taken at his word (If possibly doing a fair bit of heavy lifting) then this is positive. I think especially in big away matches, playing them together would be a good idea

21_GOONER_SALUTE

22-07-2023, 01:49 PM

21_GOONER_SALUTE

22-07-2023, 01:58 PM

BTW love what I've seen from Timber so far, could easily deputise as a DM, if all 3 were down for some reason. In fact could say the same for Kiwor, but I think Timber would be the better bet.

Also, I think he allows us to give Zinchencko a rest and play a more traditional LB, without losing that added FB/midfielder. Like I said, we now have endless options to play Artetaball or any other kind of formation, and I like it.

The hope is Arteta always chooses the best performers and now that a favourite has left, it should make it much more easier.

HCZ_Reborn

22-07-2023, 02:10 PM

If we keep both Partey and Jorghino and are able to keep them fit for most of next season, I think we are every close to cracking it and having the strongest team we've seen since the invincibles.

At the moment, when I look at the squad the way it is now, their are almost infinite possibilities and pairings we could play at defence and DM which really gives me joy and shows we have made tremendous progress in dealing with what has made us weak for so long IMO.

I do not see this team losing 6 EPL games next season, in fact if we'd had Jorghino earlier last season, we would not have lost to Man U IMO.

Currently the attack is the only place I believe we can and should do better. I am not sold on Havertz at all and an inconsistent Jesus remains a worry for me. I like the noises about Kudus and think we should take him more seriously. If not I think Pepe should be somewhat re-integrated into the fold since we can't get anything decent for him. Power is what I think we lack upfront and power is something which would be quite beneficial for us to add to switch it up a bit IMO. Mbappe of course is everything and more....but hey, lets get down to earth.

I'm in a very good place with the team as I am firm believer in a solid experienced spine which I believe we now have (Ramsdale needs to improve though or get a serious challenger).

But yeah, you build winning teams from the back and it seems Arteta understands this, which makes me quite happy ATM.

I don’t think Havertz has been bought to get us more goals which is kind of weird when you think for Chelsea and Leverkusen he’s played somewhere in the forward three or in the Odegaard role, but will see how that develops I guess. Yes more goal scoring options would be good (I do think Martinelli and Saka will both get into double figures again but don’t want to bet the house on it) , Kudus as I understand is a right sided attacker, I wonder whether we should buy an out and out striker and play Jesus more in the wide right position where he and Saka can compete for a starting place….as I think it’s hard not to notice that his finishing ability is lacking at times

Mac76

22-07-2023, 06:02 PM

Also, I think he allows us to give Zinchencko a rest

I'd be quite happy for him to be rested all season

FootieJohn909

24-07-2023, 10:19 AM

No way, Rice would do a better job than Caicedo.

Marc Overmars

24-07-2023, 10:54 AM

A Saudi club have offered PSG 259m for Mbappe.

Football. :lol:

HCZ_Reborn

24-07-2023, 11:04 AM

Mac76

24-07-2023, 11:09 AM

It’s strange enough that a player like Ruben Neves wants to play in Saudi (although I suspect he will be loaned back to Europe). But Mbappe?

A lot of these players they are buying are 30 or over and fair enough if you want to have one last big payday (kind of shits allover the rainbow bollocks LGBT stuff they campaign on though)

But I can’t see how Mbappe would want to go there at the height of his career.

This is the thing, people keep saying Arsenal or whoever can't afford him but seriously what does he want - yet more millions or the chance to play football at the top of his game for an exciting club?

If I was him i'd do the latter and Arsenal would seem like a good prospect, the only question mark being Arteta's dislike of anyone with a bigger reputation than him - he'd probably try to show Mbappe who's boss by having him on the bench or play him at LB ...

HCZ_Reborn

24-07-2023, 11:17 AM

This is the thing, people keep saying Arsenal or whoever can't afford him but seriously what does he want - yet more millions or the chance to play football at the top of his game for an exciting club?

If I was him i'd do the latter and Arsenal would seem like a good prospect, the only question mark being Arteta's dislike of anyone with a bigger reputation than him - he'd probably try to show Mbappe who's boss by having him on the bench or play him at LB ...

Saying we can’t afford him is just a fact, it’s not just us…Real Madrid can’t afford him either. Not fully in his gift to decide his destination.

And still doing the thing when you state an opinion and dress it like an objective fact I see. How does it work, the less evidence there is the more authoritative you make it?. Old habits die hard

Mac76

24-07-2023, 11:39 AM

Saying we can’t afford him is just a fact, it’s not just us…Real Madrid can’t afford him either. Not fully in his gift to decide his destination.

And still doing the thing when you state an opinion and dress it like an objective fact I see. How does it work, the less evidence there is the more authoritative you make it?. Old habits die hard

ok yes if PSG is setting the price tag, still he can still decide what he gets paid, although even there he's not going to get less - and probably a bit more - than the top earner in the team

as for the other stuff you wrote, give it a reast why don't you stop trying to tell people what they can and can't write, I'm entitled to my view of the type of person Arteta is, which - as previously stated - is based on more evidence than you have (i.e. one carefully edited documentary series) for your own views on his personality which you're so certain about

HCZ_Reborn

24-07-2023, 11:51 AM

ok yes if PSG is setting the price tag, still he can still decide what he gets paid, although even there he's not going to get less - and probably a bit more - than the top earner in the team

as for the other stuff you wrote, give it a reast why don't you stop trying to tell people what they can and can't write, I'm entitled to my view of the type of person Arteta is, which - as previously stated - is based on more evidence than you have (i.e. one carefully edited documentary series) for your own views on his personality which you're so certain about

Oh you’re doing that thing again where you mistake mocking your opinions for trampling on your right to free speech. Of course you’re entitled to your view and I’m entitled to mine that the view is silly

I respect your bravado but it’s not helped when your evidence for claiming Xhaka was a teachers pet was based on the amount of games you go to watch. I had to stop myself from laughing when reading that because I was in the office and I didn’t want to get stared at.

The problem is Arteta doesn’t lack confidence, in some ways it would be better if he did because he wouldn’t so needlessly implement his Galaxy brained tactics. He’s not a people person, so someone being a suck up wouldn’t make much difference to him because I don’t think he requires validation. The lack of eye contact and the closed body language is definitely a sign that he’s not an approachable person, but I think it was Emery who was far more likely to be intimidated and standoffish around big egos.

Marc Overmars

24-07-2023, 12:10 PM

It’s strange enough that a player like Ruben Neves wants to play in Saudi (although I suspect he will be loaned back to Europe). But Mbappe?

A lot of these players they are buying are 30 or over and fair enough if you want to have one last big payday (kind of shits allover the rainbow bollocks LGBT stuff they campaign on though)

But I can’t see how Mbappe would want to go there at the height of his career.

The offer is for one year with a 700m salary.

He’d then be out of contract and free to join (presumably) Real Madrid next summer.

Absolutely mental but makes a lot of sense really given his current situation with PSG. Everyone wins in this scenario.

dazthegooner

24-07-2023, 01:10 PM

Well according to Skysports the Spuds are interested too :haha:

HCZ_Reborn

24-07-2023, 01:32 PM

Well according to Skysports the Spuds are interested too :haha:

Which is a bit like saying I’m interested in the Russian super yachts that were confiscated from oligarchs

Of course I’m interested, doesn’t mean I can afford it

Mac76

24-07-2023, 01:37 PM

Oh you’re doing that thing again where you mistake mocking your opinions for trampling on your right to free speech. Of course you’re entitled to your view and I’m entitled to mine that the view is silly

I respect your bravado but it’s not helped when your evidence for claiming Xhaka was a teachers pet was based on the amount of games you go to watch. I had to stop myself from laughing when reading that because I was in the office and I didn’t want to get stared at.

The problem is Arteta doesn’t lack confidence, in some ways it would be better if he did because he wouldn’t so needlessly implement his Galaxy brained tactics. He’s not a people person, so someone being a suck up wouldn’t make much difference to him because I don’t think he requires validation. The lack of eye contact and the closed body language is definitely a sign that he’s not an approachable person, but I think it was Emery who was far more likely to be intimidated and standoffish around big egos.

yes sorry i was forgetting you had a PhD in psychology :rolleyes:

Mac76

24-07-2023, 01:48 PM

Well according to Skysports the Spuds are interested too :haha:

Mbappe likes to win things - Spuds and him are therefore incompatible

HCZ_Reborn

24-07-2023, 01:57 PM

yes sorry i was forgetting you had a PhD in psychology :rolleyes:

See that’s the spirit, don’t bitch and moan because you’ve been mocked….give as good as you get.

As far as I’m concerned you don’t need a PHD in Psychology (though I must admit would be tempting to get the title and I’m on the Correct pathway) you just need a pair of eyes to see how the man carries himself. Nervous people betray themselves, and whilst lack of eye contact is a sign of lacking confidence it’s far more likely in his case with being on the spectrum. The lack of flexibility, the closed body language, lack of interest in human contact but the obsessive methodical approach all points towards it. Not saying he is Autistic because a) lots of people are somewhere on the spectrum that’s why it’s a spectrum and b) Im neither qualified or have enough information to make a formal diagnosis.

Like with Letters a year ago, I’m just not going to care if you think I’m reading tea leaves but I’m confident that I have an evidence base and you have a (That must be this way). Now I’m sure you think the exact opposite, but what I do find trying is this constant whinging when I make fun of your opinion, “I’m entitled to hold this view” - yeah of course you are, if it’s genuinely what you think is the case why do you need to get so precious about it

Mac76

24-07-2023, 02:33 PM

See that’s the spirit, don’t bitch and moan because you’ve been mocked….give as good as you get.

As far as I’m concerned you don’t need a PHD in Psychology (though I must admit would be tempting to get the title and I’m on the Correct pathway) you just need a pair of eyes to see how the man carries himself. Nervous people betray themselves, and whilst lack of eye contact is a sign of lacking confidence it’s far more likely in his case with being on the spectrum. The lack of flexibility, the closed body language, lack of interest in human contact but the obsessive methodical approach all points towards it. Not saying he is Autistic because a) lots of people are somewhere on the spectrum that’s why it’s a spectrum and b) Im neither qualified or have enough information to make a formal diagnosis.

Like with Letters a year ago, I’m just not going to care if you think I’m reading tea leaves but I’m confident that I have an evidence base and you have a (That must be this way). Now I’m sure you think the exact opposite, but what I do find trying is this constant whinging when I make fun of your opinion, “I’m entitled to hold this view” - yeah of course you are, if it’s genuinely what you think is the case why do you need to get so precious about it

haha you find it 'trying' do you - what a shame :haha:

HCZ_Reborn

24-07-2023, 02:38 PM

haha you find it 'trying' do you - what a shame :haha:

Well it’s just in my view unbecoming for a grown man to act like a little bitch. And to pretend that I’m trying to close you down because I won’t validate your nonsense

Maybe disappointed would be a better word than trying :lol:

Letters

24-07-2023, 02:59 PM

Honestly, you two!

:handbags:

HCZ_Reborn

24-07-2023, 05:20 PM

So PSG have accepted the offer for Mbappe, literally can’t see him agreeing to go there though

Marc Overmars

24-07-2023, 05:36 PM

Letters

24-07-2023, 05:42 PM

It is obviously going to tempt him but holy shit how much money does anyone actually need?

HCZ_Reborn

24-07-2023, 05:59 PM

One year there isn’t going to spoil his career, he would still walk into Real Madrid or any club for that matter this time next year. The money on the table is outrageous, doesn’t really matter how rich you already are that’s going to tempt you.

I don’t get it?, is it a one year contract? Because if it is I don’t see what’s in it for Al-Queda I mean Al-Hilal…if it’s a four year + contract they aren’t going to let him go next summer unless it’s for even sillier money than they are spending on him

Marc Overmars

24-07-2023, 06:02 PM

It is obviously going to tempt him but holy shit how much money does anyone actually need?

In my experience with high net worth individuals, it’s only ever about growing wealth. Enough is never enough.

Marc Overmars

24-07-2023, 06:03 PM

I don’t get it?, is it a one year contract? Because if it is I don’t see what’s in it for Al-Queda I mean Al-Hilal…if it’s a four year + contract they aren’t going to let him go next summer unless it’s for even sillier money than they are spending on him

It’s literally a one year contract with a 700m salary. :lol:

Saudi’s are just doing it because they can.

Mac76

24-07-2023, 06:42 PM

Well it’s just in my view unbecoming for a grown man to act like a little bitch.

well you can stop any time you want...

Letters

24-07-2023, 08:28 PM

In my experience with high net worth individuals, it’s only ever about growing wealth. Enough is never enough.

I think that’s just human nature. However much you have, you always want a bit more.
One would think it gets to the level where you almost literally can’t spend it though. Edit, plus there I arguably a moral issue with going there too.

21_GOONER_SALUTE

27-07-2023, 10:26 AM

HCZ_Reborn

27-07-2023, 11:04 AM

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11670/12928334/mikel-arteta-calls-arsenal-squad-size-unsustainable-with-30-first-team-players-still-on-books

Arteta says the squad is too big.

Well I hope we can now get decent money back for Viera after that goal, quite a stunner.

Squad is definitely too big. Unfortunately I can see Vieira more likely to leave on loan

Interesting that palace have shown interest in Nketiah, if we sold him i wonder if that would mean we’d keep Balogun or if we sold both whether we’d go into the market for a striker….wouldn’t mind taking a punt for Ferran Torres

Mac76

27-07-2023, 11:18 AM

HCZ_Reborn

27-07-2023, 11:32 AM

We've GOT to sell Nketiah if we get the chance- he's shite and we can get some money to buy someone taller who knows where the goal is - really we should also keep Balogun but clearly Arteta's so weedded to Jesus that Balogun isn't satisfied he's going to get a fair shout

I could be wrong but I’m not sold on Balogun, I just don’t feel like it would be a big deal to sell him. Nketiah I don’t mind but ultimately his level is Crystal Palace. What I will say for Jesus is that again only going by the highlights I’ve seen of the Barca game is that I saw the Jesus from the first half of the season. But I’d prefer a more consistent goalscorer for sure

Marc Overmars

27-07-2023, 11:49 AM

Mac76

27-07-2023, 12:02 PM

I don’t rate Eddie that highly but I think he’s settled and happy to fight for a spot. He did a good job post-World Cup to be fair to him. You need to have players like that who accept time on the bench because there will always be a pecking order.

We can get a good fee for Balogun despite the fact he’s untested in the PL. Stick a sell-on fee on his transfer incase he does end up being the real deal.

Players have got to go and money needs to be recouped, that’s just the way it is.

But Eddie isn't an impact player from the bench, he's literally useless and having him provides Arteta with an option to take which frankly I'd rather he didn't have

I honestly can't imagine any of the other 'big' teams having a main backup striker as hopeless as Eddie, they'd offload - if Palace want him we should sell for sure - if peopel aren't convinced by Balogun then fine we can sell both and get the taller target man up front we all agree the squad needs

fakeyank

28-07-2023, 02:10 AM

If we are a club that wants to be a top team in England, Nketiah should not be allowed near the club.

IBK

28-07-2023, 10:07 AM

For me both Nketiah and Balogun are currently more or less level in terms of value. We only have to look at Lacazette last season to put the level of League 1 into context. I see his performance of last season as little different from Eddie being record goal scorer for England under 21. Maybe Balogun has more potential - we haven't seen him in the EPL, but to counter that, while Nketiah does not appear to be top 4 level, he at least has a track record of playing there, and was useful for us when used as a starter.

Eddie is used to how we play, wants to be at the club and for good or ill is liked by the Manager. Balogun's value could easily be the highest its going to get, so the sensible move would be to sell him.

Mac76

28-07-2023, 11:28 AM

Eddie is used to how we play

...but despite that is generally ineffective

wants to be at the club

I'd love to be at the club too but like Eddie I'm not up to, so don't exepct to be

and for good or ill is liked by the Manager.

I'll go for 'ill'

Marc Overmars

30-07-2023, 06:37 PM

21_GOONER_SALUTE

30-07-2023, 07:17 PM

We’re interested in David Raya.

He’s a decent but I’m not sure we need to be spending 30-40m on a keeper. Ramsdale needs real competition but I’d a little confused if we went for someone as good as Raya. I don’t think he’d be signing as a number two so it would be quite interesting how that pans out. Has Arteta gone cold on Ramsdale?

Ramsdale is a funny one.

He's been quite poor this pre-season and it can be said he was one of the players who weren't at their best earlier this year when our season crumbled.

However, there is no doubt that he stood up to be counted in a lot of matches last season and was one of the players we would have to give plaudits for the turnaround in our defending.....at least in the 1st half of the season.

But he is also terrible at penalties, which is extremely strange for a keeper supposedly playing for a team that should be winning trophies.

I saw this earlier today, and though I'd prefer that 40m spent on Kudus or some other attacking force, I think Ramsdale needs real competition.

He doesn't fill me with as much confidence as he did a while back, that's the summary really.

HCZ_Reborn

30-07-2023, 07:47 PM

Ramsdale is a funny one.

He's been quite poor this pre-season and it can be said he was one of the players who weren't at their best earlier this year when our season crumbled.

However, there is no doubt that he stood up to be counted in a lot of matches last season and was one of the players we would have to give plaudits for the turnaround in our defending.....at least in the 1st half of the season.

But he is also terrible at penalties, which is extremely strange for a keeper supposedly playing for a team that should be winning trophies.

I saw this earlier today, and though I'd prefer that 40m spent on Kudus or some other attacking force, I think Ramsdale needs real competition.

He doesn't fill me with as much confidence as he did a while back, that's the summary really.

I don’t know how I feel about this, I haven’t seen any example where two top keepers at one club has ever really worked

If Turner was any good he would be providing the competition to Ramsdale. Turns out we are looking to sell him to Forest

My preference would be to go for someone a bit older, who doesn’t mind being on the bench for long spells but has the experience and ability to step up if needed. Someone like Guaita from Palace.

30-07-2023, 10:21 PM

I like Ramsdale a lot and I really don't think we need Raya.

But then, I liked Leno and didn't think we needed Ramsdale, so what do I know?

Marc Overmars

31-07-2023, 07:10 AM

I like Ramsdale a lot and I really don't think we need Raya.

But then, I liked Leno and didn't think we needed Ramsdale, so what do I know?

Could sort of see the logic in that considering Leno wasn’t Arteta’s man. Ramsdale is though.

Weird move.

Mac76

31-07-2023, 09:19 AM

Maybe Arteta is thinking Raya could be our keeper in the CL and in the cups with Ram just playing PL games, it's the only way this makes sense for me

Ram won't take being on the bench all season for sure, he'll be gone in January if that happens

Marc Overmars

31-07-2023, 02:33 PM

A Saudi club have offered Napoli 140m for Osimhen. Just the 1m a week in wages too.

:blink:

HCZ_Reborn

31-07-2023, 02:40 PM

Mac76

31-07-2023, 03:17 PM

Didn’t Barcelona do that with Ter Stegen and the Dutch fella?

not sure but i think some PL clubs have done it - Chelsea maybe?

HCZ_Reborn

31-07-2023, 04:37 PM

not sure but i think some PL clubs have done it - Chelsea maybe?

I was thinking when they had Neil Sullivan and Carlo Cudicini but I think that was further back than you were thinking, but yep Kepa and the other guy

HCZ_Reborn

31-07-2023, 04:39 PM

We are after….no I’m not going to even try and spell it from Napoli. But if Osimhen (sp?) goes to Saudi Arabia I doubt it happening

Would love it to happen just to give English commentators a headache

Marc Overmars

31-07-2023, 05:03 PM

Kvaratskhelia. Definitely didn’t copy and paste…

Think it’s nonsense really but he was absolutely electric last year. Would be a stunning signing.

Letters

31-07-2023, 05:10 PM

Kvaratskhelia.
You come and go, you come and gooo...

Marc Overmars

01-08-2023, 07:12 AM

United on the verge of signing Hojlund for 72m.

Supposed to be the next Haaland but seems a way off that given his average scoring record at the moment.

01-08-2023, 08:01 AM

72m for a guy with about 10 career goals is mad.

IBK

01-08-2023, 09:04 AM

...but despite that is generally ineffective

I'd love to be at the club too but like Eddie I'm not up to, so don't exepct to be

I'll go for 'ill'

I'm not especially bigging up Eddie. I think we rushed into giving him too big a contract and he has been disappointing since...but I am wary of thinking Balogun will be any better - has the feel of just being the shinier newer toy to me. He has the swagger, sure, but on balance I think we should sell him while his stock is high. My preference would be to sell both and buy a top striker but this ain't happening this transfer window.

Marc Overmars

01-08-2023, 06:55 PM

Personal terms agreed with David Raya apparently.

Mac76

01-08-2023, 09:38 PM

So funny, all this time people were talking about him here I was confusing him with De Gea :lol:

Raya's a very good goalie, that's a decent signing IMO

That said, still not sure how it works if we've got both him and Ram, Arteta will need to handle it carefully...

HCZ_Reborn

01-08-2023, 10:12 PM

I notice that a lot of players are being priced out of moves between English clubs. Liverpool have been rebuffed by Southampton over Labia, same story for West Ham with Ward Prowse. United turned down bid from West Ham for Maguire. The money in the game has gummed up the works (of course that’s been the case for some time)

Marc Overmars

02-08-2023, 02:35 PM

Besiktas are interested in Pepe.

Hopefully we can get a deal done and draw an end to this god awful piece of business.

HCZ_Reborn

02-08-2023, 02:46 PM

Besiktas are interested in Pepe.

Hopefully we can get a deal done and draw an end to this god awful piece of business.

I’d honestly keep him. I think he’s actually a better finisher than Jesus or Nketiah.

mandela8

02-08-2023, 04:05 PM

Besiktas are interested in Pepe.

Hopefully we can get a deal done and draw an end to this god awful piece of business.

A disgrace how Pepe has been treated.

I still maintain that if Pepe played more in 21/22 we'd have got top 4 easily.

He was, by far, the most dangerous player in the squad.

Chippy

02-08-2023, 09:43 PM

A disgrace how Pepe has been treated.

I still maintain that if Pepe played more in 21/22 we'd have got top 4 easily.

He was, by far, the most dangerous player in the squad.
Totally agree.
Arteta never really gave Pepe a long enough run in the team. He just doesn't like him.
We should keep him now that Jesus is out for the foreseeable future. Don't believe the "Out for a few weeks" bollocks.

Mac76

03-08-2023, 10:32 AM

Arteta's treatment of Pepe was indeed disgraceful

the size of the original transfer fee was without doubt corruption on the part of Raul and the agent involved, but we still didn't really try to see if he could work

Emery at least had the excuse that he wanted to sign another type of player altogether and they ignored him but Arteta just took an instant dislike and only ever brought him on for a small number of minutes in situations where he couldn't show his best

HCZ_Reborn

03-08-2023, 11:30 AM

On one hand especially when he was first at Arsenal, Arteta did give Pepe a majority of league starts and the results were mixed to say the least. On the other hand you can argue he persisted with Willian far longer than he should have.

Ultimately Pepe is not a great or even good player but I do think he’s a useful squad player who could get us goals. And it seems churlish not to make use of him.

Marc Overmars

03-08-2023, 11:46 AM

Pepe was ok during the lockdown seasons but despite his skill I think he was too lightweight and went missing too often. Felt like he was also buried by his transfer fee which was a shame and not his fault. He was also playing in the worst Arsenal team in recent memory, timing is everything and unfortunately for him he joined us at a time of transition and upheaval.

Definitely agree that we made a mistake not using him in 21/22 when we were incredibly blunt up front.

HCZ_Reborn

03-08-2023, 01:30 PM

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/66392858.amp

No idea how much money we got for him

Mac76

03-08-2023, 01:48 PM

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/66392858.amp

No idea how much money we got for him

given he was 'player of the year' at Birmingham it ought to have been decent

Marc Overmars

03-08-2023, 02:13 PM

It us, let’s face it he was probably sold for 5m.

Mac76

03-08-2023, 03:17 PM

It us, let’s face it he was probably sold for 5m.

:lol:

HCZ_Reborn

04-08-2023, 01:06 PM

Our first premier league opponents of the season are looking to buy Matt Turner and Marquinhos from us

Given Forest have a fair bit of money I’d expect a fair bit of money for both

Marc Overmars

04-08-2023, 01:13 PM

Must mean that we’re confident of securing Raya.

Chippy

04-08-2023, 07:39 PM

I reckon a few of the bigger clubs have missed a trick over Micky Van de ven from Wolfsburg.
He is joining the Spuds for £34m.

Highly rated by the media.

Mac76

04-08-2023, 08:49 PM

Highly rated by the media.

In which case it's a shame he's decided to write off the next few years of his career

Marc Overmars

07-08-2023, 10:09 AM

Turner to Forest is almost done. 7m fee apparently.

Raya deal could be completed this week too.

HCZ_Reborn

07-08-2023, 10:23 AM

I suspect the Raya purchase is due to us knowing Turner wanted to go….but either way I’d say it’s an upgrade.

HCZ_Reborn

07-08-2023, 01:43 PM

Spurs rejected Bayern’s “final” Kane bid. Looks like he’s leaving for nothing next summer :lol:

dostoy

07-08-2023, 04:05 PM

Spurs rejected Bayern’s “final” Kane bid. Looks like he’s leaving for nothing next summer :lol:

I just can't see that happening.

He loves Spuds, it would break his heart leaving them AND them getting nothing in return.

What will Levy do if Bayern move on to someone else and nobody else comes in for Kane before the 1st of September, because Kane won't leave in January surely ?

Marc Overmars

08-08-2023, 08:35 AM

We’ve rejected an offer from Monaco for Balogun.

50m is his price tag apparently.

HCZ_Reborn

08-08-2023, 08:50 AM

The bid was 35 million but we are holding out for 45 minimum

HCZ_Reborn

08-08-2023, 05:09 PM

Terrible day for Chelsea

First Nkunku out for considerable time, now they are being investigated for financial misconduct under Abramovich. I don’t know how that works, does the current ownership assume responsibility and thus the penalties for what happened under the previous ownership.

Seems a tad unfair

So…you know…obviously I hope that this is the case

Marc Overmars

08-08-2023, 08:35 PM

21_GOONER_SALUTE

08-08-2023, 08:44 PM

Aye, we've got more money than sense.............. but it's nice to have money though :)

Mac76

08-08-2023, 09:44 PM

Raya deal agreed. Fee is reportedly around 30m.

Confusing signing but I’m happy that we’ve got a quality keeper in. I think for now Ramsdale will remain number one while Raya will take the cup and possibly CL games.

Yes, agree a second quality keeper is important, i wouldn't be at all surprised if he gets CL games and Ram is kept to PL duty, makes sense to me, no guarantee it's what we'll do though but surely they must have told Raya he'd get a decent number of appearances

HCZ_Reborn

08-08-2023, 10:04 PM

It feels to me like a) Turner decided he was going b) The reason he’s going is because he’s not getting games and isn’t good enough to displace Ramsdale.

I think there’s genuine concern over Ramsdale and some of the errors he’s been making pre-season, so in getting Raya we either have a keeper for the champions league or someone who can step in to replace Ramsdale if he continues to put in iffy performances.

I thought he played well Sunday so let’s hope he actually welcomes the competition as much as he claims

HCZ_Reborn

08-08-2023, 10:06 PM

We’ve rejected 40 million for Balogun from Monaco, holding out for 50 million

mandela8

09-08-2023, 12:09 AM

The Wengerbabies

09-08-2023, 04:00 AM

Spurs rejected Bayern’s “final” Kane bid. Looks like he’s leaving for nothing next summer :lol:

Can't stand him but I'd love it if we signed him on a free next year

Marc Overmars

09-08-2023, 07:58 AM

Ramsdale is fine.

Could've kept Turner and the additional 20-25 mill they've spent on Raya. Take the 40m for Balagun and they have 60-65 for a striker who actually likes scoring.

Just doesn't seem like the squad is being optimized here.

Yeah this is my feeling too.

I mean, I couldn’t name you what strikers are realistically available at the moment but it’s definitely an area of the pitch that is worth spending money on rather than a number 2 keeper.

HCZ_Reborn

09-08-2023, 08:21 AM

Yeah this is my feeling too.

I mean, I couldn’t name you what strikers are realistically available at the moment but it’s definitely an area of the pitch that is worth spending money on rather than a number 2 keeper.

If Matt Turner is going, we definitely did need a back up keeper…whether it’s something we should have spent thirty million on is debatable but Karl Hein to put it bluntly is a retard. One of the worst keepers I’ve seen in an Arsenal shirt.

HCZ_Reborn

09-08-2023, 09:54 AM

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12936549/harry-maguire-transfer-west-ham-agree-deal-in-principle-with-manchester-united-to-sign-defender

Good to see Ammers aren’t wasting the Rice money :haha:

LDG

09-08-2023, 10:13 AM

Turner to Forest done

Mac76

09-08-2023, 10:46 AM

Globalgunner

09-08-2023, 12:45 PM

Ward-Prowse is decent but Macguire... :haha:

I appreciate the Hammers for doing this. Best part is they will play him first 11. The comedy defending will keep us all entertained for a while yet.

dostoy

09-08-2023, 01:11 PM

Can't stand him but I'd love it if we signed him on a free next year

I can't stand him either and there is NO CHANCE WHATSOEVER he will come to Arsenal.

I don't think there has ever been a transfer saga like this one, where the player absolutely loves the club he is with now and really does not want to leave, but he wants to win trophies almost as much.

He would rather win 1 Carabao cup with spuds than 5 German League titles with Bayern, or any other team for that matter.

He will NOT leave for free next season, if he is still with Spuds on Sept 1st, he will be there for the rest of his career.

mandela8

09-08-2023, 07:32 PM

Burnley just signed Sander Berge.

Hard to see them going for Lokonga noo.

HCZ_Reborn

09-08-2023, 07:44 PM

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/32461/12935347/david-raya-brentford-goalkeeper-set-to-join-arsenal-on-initial-3m-loan-deal-with-a-27m-option-to-buy

Interesting way we’ve gone about this

Marc Overmars

09-08-2023, 08:16 PM

Guess that gives Raya and ourselves an exit if he can’t dislodge Ramsdale. He’s not a number 2 keeper so it makes sense really.

Mac76

09-08-2023, 09:06 PM

Guess that gives Raya and ourselves an exit if he can’t dislodge Ramsdale. He’s not a number 2 keeper so it makes sense really.

Absolutely makes sense givem the situation although tbh i'm not sure about measing with our goalkeepers' minds to such an extent

It feels like Arete is belatedly trying to rectify the mistake he made in sticking with Leno when Martinez proved beyond doubt he was the better option, given our prediliction for playing out from the back

LDG

09-08-2023, 10:41 PM

Great business.

Ramsdale has made some absolute howlers when it really matters, specifically with his distribution and footwork.

He has also made some extraordinary saves.

It makes sense to push him with another keeper who is better with the ball at his feet

Absolutely makes sense

Marc Overmars

10-08-2023, 09:52 AM

Spurs have accepted Bayern’s offer for Kane. :popcorn:

Though he still has to agree terms with them. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he stayed put.

Mac76

10-08-2023, 10:35 AM

Spurs have accepted Bayern’s offer for Kane. :popcorn:

Though he still has to agree terms with them. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he stayed put.

No way, he surely wants to win something in his career, plus if Bayern want him agreeing terms will be done no problem

Spuds are well and truly fucked now though :haha:

HCZ_Reborn

10-08-2023, 10:40 AM

No way, he surely wants to winso.ething in his career, plus if Bayern want him agreeing terms will be done o problem

Spuds ate well and truly fucked now though :haha;

Less fucked than they’d be if he left for nothing next year (which is kind of what I was hoping for). Still had my heart set on another Sol Campbell situation. That would give me almost as much joy as Chelsea getting relegated

HCZ_Reborn

10-08-2023, 10:42 AM

Captain Black has apparently talked Charlie Patino into staying, although he’s going to be on loan at Swansea this season.

I like him good player, and likely with Jorginho, Elneny and maybe even Partey going next summer would be a good addition to the squad.

dostoy

10-08-2023, 12:24 PM

Spurs have accepted Bayern’s offer for Kane. :popcorn:

Though he still has to agree terms with them. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he stayed put.

What happens if he says no to Bayern, says he will stay at Tottenham but will NOT sign a new deal ?

It will not happen in a million years of course, because he loves Spuds.

He was never ever going to leave for free next summer, that is what I was hoping as well.