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From retarded Arsenal fans*Quote:
Originally Posted by Fist of Lehmann
Don't think any Arsenal fans have been that OTT about him, at least for the time being. There's been some dissapointment yes but we're hardly chasing him out of the door like we were with the likes of Almunia, Denilson, Squillachi, Bendtner etc etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonasTC
Pretty sure Podolski was referring to the media more than anything with their sensationalist headlines calling him a flop and what not. He's fighting a losing cause at any rate.
Ozil was woeful. When he missed that penalty his head went down and that was it, might as well have substituted him.
Sanogo more promising than Giroud which says a lot about our striking options.
Robben is a cunt.
Redaction deserve a medal for their effort last night.
Losing was a blessing in disguise. We don't have the depth to challenge on 3 fronts. Focus on the FA cup and league.
Disgusting, Pathetic, Disgrace - Ozil received a trashing on Twitter from Arsenal fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
To me Podolski's tweet reads like a call for unity. He knows full well that the media aren't interested in helping "the collective", nor is he naive enough to think that the English football press could be considered "friends" or that they could be counted on to stand together for the good of the club.
He is right however to expect some support from supporters.
A house divided against itself cannot stand.
They aren't fans. Most of them are leftovers from the time when Arsenal was a highly desirable fashion choice. You'll see the ranks swell again if some of this money starts being rolled out. I bet a few are even here for the name Ozil and are a bit pissed they didn't get their Real Madrid fix. But they aren't fans because real fans would have learned some lessons over the last couple of years and real fans want success for the club rather than their moment basking in reflected glory. It's a me, me, me, now, now, now and let's trample the wide and kids to be first society we live in. Real fans are being priced out so these shits can grab the seats. I think the players will have more than a good idea who to pay attention to and who to laugh off. That's why I can't go any more, the fucking price. That and the fact I;d punch half the fuckers there in the head, no doubt.Quote:
Disgusting, Pathetic, Disgrace - Ozil received a trashing on Twitter from Arsenal fans.
And here's a thing. We (myself included) were:
Wrong about Kos.
Wrong about Ches.
Wrong about Merts.
Wrong, wrong and wrong again about Ramsey.
So I wonder, is there even the slightest chance the fans could be getting it wrong with Ozil too? I expect to see great things from this player once he settles in and gets used to the overly vigorous nature of this league.
Throw in wrong about Theo somewhere there too.
Cripps was right about Theo.
Cripps :bow:
I'm winging it on the off-chance nobody does a "Right about..." post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özil's Panoramic View
People need to distinguish between criticising a performance or a string of performances over bashing.
Were all talking about shitheads who are on Twitter I assume? Fuckheads called Faisal from London or Mpongwe Mbu-Ebola from Croydon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
We were right about Ramsey, up until he made a pact with Beelzebub at the start of this season.
Ramsey:" Make me the best midfielder in the world"
Devil: "Okay, but it will only be for 3 months and it will cost you the life of one Cripps on GW"
Ramsey "Thats fine by me"
I have decided, having had a couple of days to calm down, that the ref wasn't to blame for ruining the game on Wednesday. Refs are told to send players off in these situations and actually get demoted if they don't. Well done UEFA/FIFA/whoever.
The intention of the sending off law is sound – stop defenders who know they’re the last man from cynically chopping a player down who would otherwise be bearing down on goal alone. The trouble is so many managers were whining about consistency than the powers that be made the rule hard and fast. The result is you still don’t get consistency because...well, situations aren’t identical, the ref still has to make a judgement about whether the defender was the last man, whether it was a clear goal scoring opportunity, whether there was another defender who might have got across to make a challenge.
The bottom line is a penalty is a clear goal scoring opportunity (The outcome of Wednesday's two not withstanding!). Any offence in the area which means a penalty is given is punishment enough unless it’s a particularly nasty 2 footed challenge but they rarely happen there.
Well, Boateng should still have been sent off before that situation, which would have made it a whole other game, at that time we were the best team... So i still think we can blame the ref for forgetting his balls. You're still right in that situation though :)
The law is an ass, because it clearly prejudices keepers, whom have a right to come out and confront the player. How is is that in the majority of cases it is the keeper who is deemed to have fouled the player and not the other way round. Same happens when a player is trying to round the keeper and the keeper pushes the ball away at the feet of the player.
Player falls and keeper is sent off for basically doing his job.
The keeper can hardly win unless there are oceans of space between player, keeper and ball.
This is not simply because of Wednesdays incident. The law needs to be reviewed because it hamstrings the keeper into having no option but to stay on his line and watch what happens.
Well there's the inconsistency, I guess the ref thought there was potentially a covering defender or that it was less of a clear goal-scoring opportunity.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonasTC
In the name of consistency they've made a blanket rule but the ref still has to make a judgement call as to whether the rule applies.
I dunno if anybody has mentioned this but Koscielny was about to track Robben's run and was obstructed by that Manzukic ****. I know its late now but thats another decision that went against us.
Oh no, im not talking about that, i think that was a yellow. Im talking about a later situation, were he made a freekick that usually are a yellow (and therefor should have had his 2. yellow).Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Oh I see. Well, that's another thing about refs, a challenge which is a stonewall booking is often not one if the player has been booked already. I don't like seeing sending offs left right and centre but it is another inconsistency.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonasTC
Well if the 1st shouldn't have been a yellow then he should have only had 1 anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonasTC
You're clutching at straws, we got beaten by the better side, that's it. We were never going to win this tie against Bayern, we had our chances early on, missed them and that was that.
How should him, leaving his leg out to take Özil down not be a yellow? Even the cunty commentators said that :d
I dont agree, before Gibbs injury i think we were the better team and that is with us missing our 2 best players (and i know bayern are missing Ribery, but they have world class reserves, so i doesnt hurt them as much as us).
No-one is clutching at anything.
Over two legs Bayern probably have too much for us but on Wednesday we were actually playing very well and then one moment and decision killed it. It's not asking much to expect us to play on a level playing field. 11 vs 11 was a contest, 10 vs 11 wasn't.
It wasn't a two footed, dangerous challenge. It was a split second decision which 'keepers have to make all the time. When they get it wrong they're facing a penalty. Do we really need the triple punishment of penalty, sending off (which renders the remainder of the game extremely difficult at the best of times, downright impossible when you're playing a side this good) and subsequent ban.
It's a stupid rule and I've said this before, it's not just a reaction to how it affected us in this one game.
Refs always give the players a bit of a chance before sending them off from what I've always seen, it's rare for a player to be sent off without a warning.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonasTC
We played well for half hour, after that it was all Bayern. Bayern didn't start well and we had some good chances to score a couple goals, once we missed the penalty the game change somewhat and Bayern settled.
You're not going to dominate a whole game against a team as good as them, even with 11 men I doubt we'd have been able to keep them quiet all match, reckon it would have perhaps been a draw.
According to the rules it's a red card and penalty, so it doesn't matter whether it would have been better 11 vs 11 (obviously it would have been), the fact is Chesney made a mistake and we got punished to the letter of the law.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I personally think they should award a goal, because penalty's can be missed (and often are) so if you're clean through with a tap in and then brought back and you miss the penalty you've been punished and the defending team get away with it, so you could just foul the player to give yourself a chance of stopping the goal.
Yes the double punishment is harsh, but those are the rules. If you had this chance missed the penalty and then lost 1-0 it was also be unfair to some extent.
Even if we'd played 11 vs 11 I couldn't see us going through, so I'm not that bothered to be honest, we started very well though but after the penalty we ran out of steam a bit and the game settled down. Bayern would have had spells in the game anyhow and with the players they have a draw probably would have been a good result for us.
You have totally nailed it with that post. There have been countless situations now where a keeper has played a blinder and got hos fingertips to a ball to make a wonderful save. Yet the attacker can just leave a trailing leg and just like that, you have a penalty and the keeper is off. And to compound this you have dickhead commentators saying that the player was entitled to go down 'because there was contact.' It is ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
There was an incident in the World Cup where someone made a save on the line at the death, the penalty was missed and the team went on to lose a shootout.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
I do think there's a case for a penalty goal rule where if a defender handles the ball to stop what would otherwise have definitely been a goal then just award the goal.
IMO that doesn't apply to a player going through on goal. Yes, penalties can be missed but so can chances and I don't buy in most of these cases it's a foregone conclusion that the player would have scored.
The law as it stands is indeed an ass.
I believe it's actually UEFA who want it changed. I guess Platini can't be wrong all the time.
I don't know how they'd solve it though, because I do think there should be a distinction when it comes to "goalscoring opportunities". Maybe a yellow card and a penalty/free kick would suffice? :shrug:
IMO it's about common sense although I realise that is not as common as the name implies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coutinho Is Boss
Player is bearing down on goal, the last defender 'takes one for the team' by fouling them then what is an appropriate punishment?
It depends where the offence is and whether there is any chance of a covering defender getting there.
If it's in the box then I think a yellow card and penalty is enough, the team still gets their goal-scoring opportunity - arguably a better goal-scoring opportunity than the original chance.
Outside the box then it's trickier because a freekick with the defence back and a wall is not a clear opportunity to score. What do you do then? Send the player off? Award a penalty anyway on the basis that the player would have had a chance to score?
You're talking about Suarez and him jumping up and down celebrating when the penalty was missed (was it Ghana?).Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
It's a difficult one but I'm not sure a penalty is entirely fair either in some scenarios, maybe they could introduce a system where players can be sin binned for a certain period of time if it's not so clear cut.
That's the problem. When you leave it up to referees to decide there is inevitably inconsistency and people want a clear rule. When you have a blanket rule people want there to be a level of interpretation. Knowing FIFA they'll make it worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Maybe you could leave it up to the fouled team. Do you want the penalty or the guy sent off? :lol:
:lol: "And Liverpool have played their Joker..."
Interesting. You'd almost always go for the sending off unless it was late late on, it's a big advantage and it pretty much ruins the contest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coutinho Is Boss
That for me was the big shame of the night, that we never got to see how things might have been 11 vs 11.
It's also why you can't read too much into any of the performances, it was a game under exceptional circumstances.
Niall Quinn already touched on this point but twitter really isn't indicative of the general mood of Arsenal fans. As a wise man, now banned, on here once said, "Twitter is for idiots". It's infested with over reactionary and moronic posts regardless of what the reality is. And all famous people get dogs abuse on twitter (see Jimmy Kimmel's hilarious videos). If Ozil is really that affected by comments online he really should remove his online social media prescene or man up. The day Ozil starts getting boos and groans within or outside the stadium will be the day that he's lost the fans and that's a long way off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fist of Lehmann
Anyway, all in all Ozil does seem like a confidence player who needs to feel loved. It would be good if we he had a really good chant that the fans could sing next game to inspire him ........ as Syn said, we really should have saved Hey Jude for Ozil.
Me and my dad actually had a talk about that and we agreed that if you could somehow get non-corrupt refs, awarding a penalty and a yellow, even if its outside the box, would be optimal. It would make sure that defenders in most cases wouldnt foul the last player and the fans could get to see a wonderful goal/save or a penalty kick if the defender is stupid enough, and we would still be able to enjoy a match afterwards. Of course other rules still need to be upheld, so if the foul is too violent, he needs to be send off and so on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I think you're right, if the fans had a song for Özil i think it would do wonders, seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
From your last few posts, I assumed GW was included, unless you were on Twitter sending abuse to Ramsey, Merts and Ches. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
In reality it's a triple punishment as you have a suspension for a straight red. Awarding a goal instead, for not actually putting the ball into the net, would then increase the chances of diving. It's an inherent rule within the game that you are only awarded a goal once the ball crosses the line, changing such a fundamental rule would be madness. Of course, the likelihood is that the player would have gone on to score of course, but balance and momentum can affect the easiest of chances as we have seen many times. There is no certainty of a goal until it actually crosses that white line.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
If a player intentionally handles the ball off the line like Suarez did, then it should be a red and automatic goal. That's just flagrant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano
Football is full of immoralities, I'm not convinced that comes into the argument here. In a case like that, a red and a penalty works just fine. If you start to tinker with the most fundamental rule in football then everything is up for grabs. Players have done the very same thing before without the fuss, due to it being on a smaller stage.
Well yes true but you know the rules before you commit the foul so if you do it you know what's coming, the onus is on the players to be more careful, if you're rash and make a mistake then you have to accept what's coming.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano
People aren't happy about the rule but every knows about it, best way to avoid it is to think before you act I guess.