Match reaction v Bayern

[JonasTC]

How should him, leaving his leg out to take Özil down not be a yellow? Even the cunty commentators said that

I dont agree, before Gibbs injury i think we were the better team and that is with us missing our 2 best players (and i know bayern are missing Ribery, but they have world class reserves, so i doesnt hurt them as much as us).

[Letters]

No-one is clutching at anything.

Over two legs Bayern probably have too much for us but on Wednesday we were actually playing very well and then one moment and decision killed it. It's not asking much to expect us to play on a level playing field. 11 vs 11 was a contest, 10 vs 11 wasn't.
It wasn't a two footed, dangerous challenge. It was a split second decision which 'keepers have to make all the time. When they get it wrong they're facing a penalty. Do we really need the triple punishment of penalty, sending off (which renders the remainder of the game extremely difficult at the best of times, downright impossible when you're playing a side this good) and subsequent ban.

It's a stupid rule and I've said this before, it's not just a reaction to how it affected us in this one game.

[Özim]

How should him, leaving his leg out to take Özil down not be a yellow? Even the cunty commentators said that

I dont agree, before Gibbs injury i think we were the better team and that is with us missing our 2 best players (and i know bayern are missing Ribery, but they have world class reserves, so i doesnt hurt them as much as us).

Refs always give the players a bit of a chance before sending them off from what I've always seen, it's rare for a player to be sent off without a warning.

We played well for half hour, after that it was all Bayern. Bayern didn't start well and we had some good chances to score a couple goals, once we missed the penalty the game change somewhat and Bayern settled.

You're not going to dominate a whole game against a team as good as them, even with 11 men I doubt we'd have been able to keep them quiet all match, reckon it would have perhaps been a draw.

[Özim]

No-one is clutching at anything.

Over two legs Bayern probably have too much for us but on Wednesday we were actually playing very well and then one moment and decision killed it. It's not asking much to expect us to play on a level playing field. 11 vs 11 was a contest, 10 vs 11 wasn't.
It wasn't a two footed, dangerous challenge. It was a split second decision which 'keepers have to make all the time. When they get it wrong they're facing a penalty. Do we really need the triple punishment of penalty, sending off (which renders the remainder of the game extremely difficult at the best of times, downright impossible when you're playing a side this good) and subsequent ban.

It's a stupid rule and I've said this before, it's not just a reaction to how it affected us in this one game.

According to the rules it's a red card and penalty, so it doesn't matter whether it would have been better 11 vs 11 (obviously it would have been), the fact is Chesney made a mistake and we got punished to the letter of the law.

I personally think they should award a goal, because penalty's can be missed (and often are) so if you're clean through with a tap in and then brought back and you miss the penalty you've been punished and the defending team get away with it, so you could just foul the player to give yourself a chance of stopping the goal.

Yes the double punishment is harsh, but those are the rules. If you had this chance missed the penalty and then lost 1-0 it was also be unfair to some extent.

Even if we'd played 11 vs 11 I couldn't see us going through, so I'm not that bothered to be honest, we started very well though but after the penalty we ran out of steam a bit and the game settled down. Bayern would have had spells in the game anyhow and with the players they have a draw probably would have been a good result for us.

[Xhaka Can’t]

The law is an ass, because it clearly prejudices keepers, whom have a right to come out and confront the player. How is is that in the majority of cases it is the keeper who is deemed to have fouled the player and not the other way round. Same happens when a player is trying to round the keeper and the keeper pushes the ball away at the feet of the player.

Player falls and keeper is sent off for basically doing his job.

The keeper can hardly win unless there are oceans of space between player, keeper and ball.

This is not simply because of Wednesdays incident. The law needs to be reviewed because it hamstrings the keeper into having no option but to stay on his line and watch what happens.

You have totally nailed it with that post. There have been countless situations now where a keeper has played a blinder and got hos fingertips to a ball to make a wonderful save. Yet the attacker can just leave a trailing leg and just like that, you have a penalty and the keeper is off. And to compound this you have dickhead commentators saying that the player was entitled to go down 'because there was contact.' It is ridiculous.

[Letters]

I personally think they should award a goal, because penalty's can be missed (and often are) so if you're clean through with a tap in and then brought back and you miss the penalty you've been punished and the defending team get away with it, so you could just foul the player to give yourself a chance of stopping the goal.

There was an incident in the World Cup where someone made a save on the line at the death, the penalty was missed and the team went on to lose a shootout.
I do think there's a case for a penalty goal rule where if a defender handles the ball to stop what would otherwise have definitely been a goal then just award the goal.
IMO that doesn't apply to a player going through on goal. Yes, penalties can be missed but so can chances and I don't buy in most of these cases it's a foregone conclusion that the player would have scored.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

The law as it stands is indeed an ass.

I believe it's actually UEFA who want it changed. I guess Platini can't be wrong all the time.

I don't know how they'd solve it though, because I do think there should be a distinction when it comes to "goalscoring opportunities". Maybe a yellow card and a penalty/free kick would suffice?

[Letters]

The law as it stands is indeed an ass.

I believe it's actually UEFA who want it changed. I guess Platini can't be wrong all the time.

I don't know how they'd solve it though, because I do think there should be a distinction when it comes to "goalscoring opportunities". Maybe a yellow card and a penalty/free kick would suffice?

IMO it's about common sense although I realise that is not as common as the name implies.
Player is bearing down on goal, the last defender 'takes one for the team' by fouling them then what is an appropriate punishment?
It depends where the offence is and whether there is any chance of a covering defender getting there.
If it's in the box then I think a yellow card and penalty is enough, the team still gets their goal-scoring opportunity - arguably a better goal-scoring opportunity than the original chance.
Outside the box then it's trickier because a freekick with the defence back and a wall is not a clear opportunity to score. What do you do then? Send the player off? Award a penalty anyway on the basis that the player would have had a chance to score?

[Özim]

There was an incident in the World Cup where someone made a save on the line at the death, the penalty was missed and the team went on to lose a shootout.
I do think there's a case for a penalty goal rule where if a defender handles the ball to stop what would otherwise have definitely been a goal then just award the goal.
IMO that doesn't apply to a player going through on goal. Yes, penalties can be missed but so can chances and I don't buy in most of these cases it's a foregone conclusion that the player would have scored.

You're talking about Suarez and him jumping up and down celebrating when the penalty was missed (was it Ghana?).

It's a difficult one but I'm not sure a penalty is entirely fair either in some scenarios, maybe they could introduce a system where players can be sin binned for a certain period of time if it's not so clear cut.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

IMO it's about common sense although I realise that is not as common as the name implies.
Player is bearing down on goal, the last defender 'takes one for the team' by fouling them then what is an appropriate punishment?
It depends where the offence is and whether there is any chance of a covering defender getting there.
If it's in the box then I think a yellow card and penalty is enough, the team still gets their goal-scoring opportunity - arguably a better goal-scoring opportunity than the original chance.
Outside the box then it's trickier because a freekick with the defence back and a wall is not a clear opportunity to score. What do you do then? Send the player off? Award a penalty anyway on the basis that the player would have had a chance to score?

That's the problem. When you leave it up to referees to decide there is inevitably inconsistency and people want a clear rule. When you have a blanket rule people want there to be a level of interpretation. Knowing FIFA they'll make it worse.

Maybe you could leave it up to the fouled team. Do you want the penalty or the guy sent off?