"I really like Arsenal. Do you really like Arsenal, or only Arsenal with trophies?" - Dennis Bergkamp.
"Which Arsenal do they want back, the one Arsene created?" - Tony Adams.
You seem to define a fact as the capitalisation of the word FACT after any opinion, half truth or distortion.
The new point you mean? Then you do the opinion... FACT thing again.That brings us to the point..
Did you read the article I used in response to your original post? There's a string of reversals there from Ferguson. This is the dance I'm talking about. I don't even criticise him for it, it's just a fact of life for an employee. One minute you have one set of instructions, the next you have another. You also have a duty to represent your company favourably in public so you dance. The actual point being, it's a poor demonstration to hold Ferguson up as the opposite to Wenger in terms of their relationships with their respective bosses.
And you are still suggesting Wenger deliberately makes a profit in the transfer window against the wishes of the board. I'm not saying that can't be true, I'm just saying it is ludicrous. Who stands to benefit from these profits? Wenger or the impotent and oppressed Kroenke? We don't know for sure, we can only apply logic and common sense and force 2+2 to equal 4.
My expectation for Stan is for him to keep things pretty much as they are, raise the financial potential of the club and then sell to Usmanov banking around a 200mill profit in the process. What are your expectations? The risk you describe is the purchase of a club with unrealised massive commercial potential mainly through heavily undervalued sponsorship and merchandising deals. A club stalked by one of the world's richest men who has already shown a willingness to pay over the odds for Arsenal shares. A smart investment, not necessarily a risky one though. I also doubt the one year involvement routine can survive for much longer as a valid apology. It's not as if the guy spotted Arsenal in a shop window while passing through and made an impulse purchase. You think investments of this scale are hammered out over the weekend? This is what I mean, you are being totally unrealistic and then stamping the word FACT after each assumption.
Even on football related matters you conclude Wenger is more bothered about finishing 4th than winning something. In all honesty, how likely is that to be the case? Why would any manager aim for a lower placing that he thought was otherwise achievable? You could say Wenger lacks ambition by not striving for more but to say he prefers less isn't a convincing argument at all.
Why is Wenger the "prick" such a "douche"? You see what you are doing here? You are posing your argument in the form of a tantrum. And reaching for anything to throw at the guy. Which is foolish because there's enough valid ammunition to sling without making shit up and you wouldn't even have to get hot and bothered.
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I am sorry I never read the article you never posted. Can you post that again?Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
And yes, I am suggesting AW is making a profit in transfers even though the board is not asking him to. Why? Because he lives in La La land in which he will win the championship with the Diaby's and Rosicky's along with youngsters coming in from the youth academy. The project has failed but he is too big headed a dick (see another tantrum..ooooh) to even accept his mistake and move on. He thinks his methods are the be all of football and he wont listen otherwise.. even though its clear as daylight to see his methods have failed.
Your expectation of Stan is to do something.. Did he do it? No.. will he do it? No idea! Your expectation is not necessarily going to play out the way it is. Again, so far, the board or Stan or even Wenger has EVER (there in capitals for u) implied that the managers hands are tied in making necessary transfers. Show me one freaking article.. will you find one? Nope. Will you show us a quote? Nope. YouWhat will instead go on about is what you expect to happen..
I do agree with the lady who posted that the board should be blamed for not firing Wenger. Unfortunately they are in awe of Wenger and his philosophy and see him as the new messiah of football. However, I see no reason (at least through my naked eye) to believe that the board has not backed Wenger in the transfer window.. every quote or news article would back that up.
And FYI, the prick, douches, c*nts come out for him coz I believe that he is ruining our club and taking us backward. I love my club and I cannot see it being ruined by a way past it manager and also in part by a board who do not have the cajones to fire the douche (One last curse to make me nap better)
Last edited by fakeyank; 27-11-2012 at 07:22 PM.
Arsene Wenger, the only football manager that got paid 8 million quid to do nothing but sit on his arse..
Wenger has always said that it is important for a manager to spend carefully and manage resources well. This isn't anything new. He's always been a bargin bin shopper and has a rep for spending very little. That goes as far back as Highbury and all the way back to Monaco. This didn't just start with Stan Kronke. In fact, Stan admires Billy Beane and Billy's idol is Arsene Wenger. There is a mutual respect and admiration for the way things are done and that's why Stan is on board. He hasn't come to rock the boat and he hasn't imposed anything on Wenger.
Stan Kronke.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/art...in-Samuel.html‘Billy Beane is a very famous guy in America,’ Kroenke said. ‘And do you know who his idol is? Arsene Wenger. No kidding. You know why? His ability to spend money and extract value. That is what being successful in pro sports is all about.’
Even if we have to live within our means, the main problem is the way money is spent. Last summer we spent a lot of money on duds and it was a lot of money. It's very hard to argue that Wenger is denied money when we spent like that on the final day of the window. How much was it £50-60m in total? It should have been spent more wisely but it wasn't.
As for the whole ambition question and top 4, winning the league is pretty tough but I just can't understand why we he's not going for the Carling Cup and FA Cup if the Champs League and League are beyond our reach. For his own pride and just to fill his players with some confidence and hungry, he should be going for these domestic cups. There is no reason why we shouldn't be able to win a domestic cup when in the past we have won doubles and league titles while competing in Europe as well. Wenger has lost his hunger, has lost his eye for talent and that has nothing to do with the owners.
Edit: Sorry...the main problem isn't the way money is spent. There is more to it then that, such as gambling on player fitness/realiability (Diaby), rigid tactics and poor match preparation. How much Wenger is given to spend each year is a side issue.
Last edited by Power n Glory; 27-11-2012 at 07:26 PM.
Good grief. The article I never posted... FACT!
I have answered, in a lot more detail than your postings deserved, all of the points above. If you won't read the articles, won't acknowledge the responses provided, want to keep going in circles then there's no end to this. You asked what I expected of "Stan" and I answered. I didn't claim I was providing facts, the facts I stated related to what has already occurred, not what will occur in the future. You're trying to turn my own argument against me but you can't do the job properly because you don't understand the argument in the first place.
Now there's the awe thing, the half a billion awe trip. And acknowledgement that the key sin of the guys looting the club is not to have sacked Wenger already.
Not much for me to go on, is it?
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The way the money is spent is suggestive in itself. I wonder what was really going on behind the scenes during that particular window and not just in the last few days but the days leading up to it? That was the most rattled I have ever seen Wenger in his time at the club and I predict there'll be quite a story to tell somewhere down the road when he's free to tell it. It was also the closest I can remember him coming to openly going against the party line, with his statements about Fabregas and Nasri.
I agree with you regarding players like Diaby, Rosicky and even Gibbs. They are liabilities as much as they are assets because there's no stability when they spend most of their time on the treatment table. We've been pretty unlucky with thuggery though, look how it has cost us. The Eduardo turning point, Ramsey who is now a comedy player when before he showed the odd spark of potential. Diaby himself who has never had a significant period injury free since being cut down early in his career with us. In these cases Wenger isn't ruthless enough. But he's been ruthless in the past with his over 30s policy so it's an odd contradiction.
I think the reason we don;t go for the domestic cups is simple enough. The resources are prioritised, the CL comes first because of the revenue it generates. i don't believe it's any more complicated than that.
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Still never saw the article or is it an article posted in one of your 10K posts? Sorry didnt read everything you posted so far. I'd have expected you to post it in one of the replies you gave to me.
Not really. You have nothing to say that makes sense other than going on about how the board is the devil and reason for all the worlds problem. Obviously these devilish ploys of the board are all backed up by articles and quotes from people in the club (included in secret ink in all your posts).Not much for me to go on, is it?
Last edited by fakeyank; 27-11-2012 at 08:32 PM.
Arsene Wenger, the only football manager that got paid 8 million quid to do nothing but sit on his arse..
You do it to yourself.
I'm talking about my first direct response to you, the one that started this to and fro. Here:
http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/sh...l=1#post225207
fact (I put fact in lower case because it actually is a fact this time)
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I read that article. That's an opinion of a fan who posted his view. Much like how you can start a blog.. just because it comes after a .com or .co.uk does not make that person's opinion valid. I thought you had an article where SAF criticized the board in an article and then back tracked after he got paid a lot of money. And even in that article, there is nothing that tells anything different than what we have been talking about. Yes, SAF sucks Glazer family dick but he does because he gets the players he wants and a handsome salary.
The article is summed up pretty well right at the beginning “Real fans,” said Sir Alex Ferguson on Saturday, will look at the Glazer family’s debt-fueled ownership of Manchester United over the past seven years and conclude that it “has not affected the team.”
Our ownership changed hands in 2010 but we have been in decline since 07. Our team was not affected because Stan took over. It has been a shower of shite since moving to Emirates. Their ownership changed in 04/05 yet there has been no decline in the quality of football. And if BBC and skysports news are to be believed, Utd's debt have been lowered considerably too.
Arsene Wenger, the only football manager that got paid 8 million quid to do nothing but sit on his arse..
I don't think there is any grand conspiracy in it. Two of his key players wanted to leave while Barca and Man City were trying to stiff us on the price. That's why he looked rattled. He went to the Board and told them to lower the fee for Fabregas so we can't make out as if it was forced on him by the Board. We've seen a similar outcome with RVP and it took a phone from Fergie to get the deal done. He didn't call Stan, PHW or Gazidis. He called Wenger and the deal was done.
Now on the flipside, we have Walcott. How comes he's been allowed to run his deal down so far to the point where we lose him for free? If something fishy were going on, wouldn't Walcott have been sold this summer? Wenger wouldn't let men with inferior knowledge of the game interfere with his team in such a way. He wouldn't happen on his watch.
Injuries have been a problem but I disagree with the Ramsey assessment. He used to play suicicidal blind passes before his injury. His awareness and passing had always been shit and awareness has nothing to do with a past injury. His shooting though, that has always been good and he hasn't lost that but because we miss ball carriers in the middle and around the park that can create space for him, he's not able to find pockets of space anymore.
As for the cups...the money behind each trophy is probably how it is prioritised but that isn't an excuse. We shouldn't have lost a cup final to Birmingham and there are teams that are able to win doubles. Is it impossible to go for 4th, go for Europe and win a domestic cup? I don't think so. And you have to question the sort of guy Wenger is when he blatantly ignored the pleas of the fans and his players like this. He's able to put the boards priorities first but won't even attempt to treat the players or fans to a little treat.
If you're going to fuck us over at least bring home the roses once in a while. Mean bastard.
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