Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
That's my point though, that's your belief...it's not something you have substantive to back that up with

My belief is that we don't have that much money to spend and that the money budgeted for a striker was spent on Ozil, that's why any signing made in the transfer window in January was going to be on loan?.

Is that the case?...i don't know....i am specculating...but that's exactly what your doing. The point is i criticise the man based on facts, not on what surmising what the facts might be. Therefore I criticise his lack of progress over the last nine years, i don't feel the need to critcise everything that comes out of his mouth.

As i've said, it's only my opinion but i feel that he is stagnant, few managers short of Ferguson could be at a club as long as AW and not become stagnant...he's given us all he's got and it's not enough anymore. He's too old to change, his mistakes are becoming more obvious and he doesn't even seem to enjoy what he does anymore.
I feel people like you are more adverse to him on a personal level and over analyze everything he says so you can come back and use it as a stick to beat him with. Again i could be wrong, but that's my perception...but you seem to think your "perceptions" of events valid, so why shouldn't mine be?
How has anything said about Wenger been personal? I'm having a debate with you about what I see going on at the club and how I perceive our state of affairs. The problem a lot of you guys have, is when long winded debates like these occur, you misconceive a thorough argument with being personal. I'm not sticking the knife in on Wenger, this is one conversation, about one particular topic that's probably gone on for too long and now you think it's personal. It's far from it. I'm simply stating that you can see Wenger's philosophy and character throughout the club and there on the pitch.

Flip this conversation on to a more positive note regarding what he's said about how he views football and the way we play, I doubt there would be such resistance to such a very simple point. For example, if we were to look at what Wenger has to say about the beauty in football, attacking football, total football, technical players...etc...I doubt those would be batted away as if he's just talking and none of it's reflected on the pitch or related.