Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
The general question is whether Wenger tolerates losing more easily today than he did in the past.
That's right. And I said that none of us really know what goes on inside his head. We can infer from what he says in interviews (although do you really think he tells the press exactly what he's thinking?) or what he looks like on the touchline when things are going awry (which is generally pretty sulky, but so do most managers). But actually, none of us know the man, none of us really know.

So I said that one man who does have more of an insight is David Dein - someone who has worked with him for years and still sees him regularly - and posted how I saw an interview with him where he gave some insight into Wenger's state of mind after defeats. You said "that was a long time ago" so I found the video and found it was an interview Dein gave 2 years ago ahead of Wenger's 1000th game. No, it isn't a tribute video - there is no montage of people saying nice things about Wenger. It's just an interview with David Dein, like I said. Yes, he's saying nice things about him but he clearly thinks highly of him. Yes, they're friends but that isn't new information, maybe they're friends because he thinks highly of him rather than the other way around.

I don't know what you mean by "He's still at the dinner", Dein makes it clear they DON't go to dinner if we've lost because of Wenger's mood - "we only go if we haven't lost". Your quote from Wenger (if it is a quote) backs that up. Dein also relates a conversation with Wenger about how he must have managed 2000 games in his career and asks Wenger what that means to him, Wenger replies "2000 sleepless nights". It's not 3 seconds of evidence, it's 20 minutes of insight into Wenger from someone who knows him well.

Dress it up how you like, it's a man who worked with him for years and is still good friends with him talking 2 years ago, not 10. He knows better than you or me how much Wenger cares. The issue isn't whether Wenger cares, he clearly does. The issue is whether he's able to push us on and it's increasingly clear he isn't.