Should Wenger go?

[Xhaka Can’t]

And good post Gary (to which this was a reply to - damn you VBulliten and your lack of nested quotes).

It is sad how it looks to be finishing for Wenger at Arsenal because he did take us places I'd never think I'd see us go and even now the fact that a finish outside the top 4 is something so distressing for us shows something about how he's raised expectations. But we're in a real mess and I don't think Wenger can turn it around. I'm not sure many other managers could either, especially if they're handcuffed in terms of transfer funds like Wenger is (whether through choice or imposition by the board, I suspect there's a bit of both). In some ways he's done well to keep us up there in the top few in the era of billionaire owners. The sad thing is it wouldn't have taken a silly amount of spending to keep us really competitive, a mix of the kids he brought through and some established quality would have done that. Why he's not done that...well, maybe one day he's write about it and we'll find out. But he's not a stupid man and those who disrespect him come across as ungrateful toddlers throwing toys out of the pram, they undermine their own arguments which often have solid basis.

Anyway, I voted yes. But it made me sad to do so

Even as late as last season - some addition of quality experience would have been enough to make the difference - but not now. Wholesale change is needed.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Even as late as last season - some addition of quality experience would have been enough to make the difference - but not now. Wholesale change is needed.

You have hit the nail right on the head Gary. Had we bought last jan we'd have been better off for itm we'd have won the CC for a start and the good feeling would have gone on from there.

[Flavs]

I don't think there is anything wrong with the team in terms of the personnel, its the application of them that is all out of cock. I said this in another thread but forgetting all the financials and stadium moves and past history and all that, on match days are we utilising the 11 guys on the pitch the best we can. The answer is no every single time. They are poorly motivated, the tactics are wrong, they are weak mentally, we are still.....STILL shite at set pieces and they don't work for each other.

A new manager would help address this.

[Power n Glory]

I don't think there is anything wrong with the team in terms of the personnel, its the application of them that is all out of cock. I said this in another thread but forgetting all the financials and stadium moves and past history and all that, on match days are we utilising the 11 guys on the pitch the best we can. The answer is no every single time. They are poorly motivated, the tactics are wrong, they are weak mentally, we are still.....STILL shite at set pieces and they don't work for each other.

A new manager would help address this.

I agree. We really shouldn't be getting outclassed like that by anybody. The odd occasion maybe, but this is a running theme. Teams with half the players we have would look more organised and motivated.

[Letters]

I'd be interested to know, by the way, what the result of this poll would have been had it been done before last night's game. I don't think the people who voted yes are necessarily knee-jerking, but at the same time we're all affected by results and my mood about the club this year has been all over the shop this season as we've lurched from disaster to disaster between some pretty decent results and runs of form.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I'd be interested to know, by the way, what the result of this poll would have been had it been done before last night's game. I don't think the people who voted yes are necessarily knee-jerking, but at the same time we're all affected by results and my mood about the club this year has been all over the shop this season as we've lurched from disaster to disaster between some pretty decent results and runs of form.

You make a good point.

If my vote was affected - last night's result just re-enforced it.

[Power n Glory]

We've had polls like this after a loss and I can't ever remember it being so one sided.

[Özim]

Yes, lost respect for the guy the moment he started with his serial bullsh*t and also proceeded to belittle the fans.

I've found some of the cr*p he's come out with unacceptable, you have to earn respect and he did, but some of the things he's done in recent years have had the opposite effect.

He's really spoilt what he achieved in the early days in my eyes which is a shame, but there you go.

[Cripps_orig]

He's really spoilt what he achieved in the early days in my eyes which is a shame, but there you go.

Same here.

[Letters]

He's really spoilt what he achieved in the early days in my eyes which is a shame, but there you go.

It is getting that way although I think, I certainly hope, that when the dust has settled people will still appreciate what he did for us in the first half of his career with us.