Should Wenger go?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

On a related sub-topic, for those who want him out, when did you move past the point of no return?

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When he decided to give Johan Djorou a new contract, kind off showed me maybe his is happy with mediocrite (sp) and we don't need a manager like that. This was the final straw for me tbh.

[Gubby Allen]

On a related sub-topic, for those who want him out, when did you move past the point of no return?

For me it was when we bottled the NLD at home last year. I felt that to throw away another lead in a game of that magnitude was just unforgivable - especially given as it had already happened 2 years earlier in the same fixture. I knew for sure then that we had a team who simply could not be trusted at all.

I was very early, one of the first after Zimm and in a minority at that point - but I saw where we were going and it was pretty much this.

Although admittedly I clocked in about 2008 that we were never winning another trophy under AW again, I never even changed my mind on the morning of the CC final last year but it took me about a season to move from that to actually wanting him to go.

It was the CC final (and few days eithr side of it) last year where I first really started to dislike him and the current club - as much as you can dislike your own club.

[notwist]

If you forget the first million years and just think of the last 7, what would be your conclusion? I know that's very hard on Arsene but this is a hard business. We should not be starting the 2012-13 season thinking a trophy is impossible. But if Wenger is in charge, does anybody think otherwise?

[Syn]

It was the CC final (and few days eithr side of it) last year where I first really started to dislike him and the current club - as much as you can dislike your own club.

I can't dislike him but the Carling Cup final was the point where I realised that Wenger is championing a load of mentally fragile players. I wouldn't have been upset if Wenger had been sacked well before then, but that was the point where I thought that there was a serious mental block that was never going to be removed with Wenger in charge. What made is more transparent from previous years was Wilshere's performance. He seemed to be the only one who knew the value of playing in a Wembley Cup final and he worked his bollocks off, popping up everywhere and was denied a wundergoal by the woodwork. I go on about him but that's because last season I felt Wilshere was the only one representing the fans. He didn't deserve to be on the losing team and he didn't deserve to be playing alongside the players he was. So I think the club (and fans) need a manager who will build a team with balls.

[Cripps_orig]

On a related sub-topic, for those who want him out, when did you move past the point of no return?

For me it was when we bottled the NLD at home last year. I felt that to throw away another lead in a game of that magnitude was just unforgivable - especially given as it had already happened 2 years earlier in the same fixture. I knew for sure then that the manager had built a team who simply could not be trusted at all.

Wigan game April 2010

We had just lost to Spuds the wednesday before to knock our title hopes but Spuds then go and beat Chelsea the weekend after meaning we could get right back in. We play shit but somehow lead 2-0. Wigan score 3 in last 10 minutes and the rest as they say is history

[Syn]

Wigan game April 2010

We had just lost to Spuds the wednesday before to knock our title hopes but Spuds then go and beat Chelsea the weekend after meaning we could get right back in. We play shit but somehow lead 2-0. Wigan score 3 in last 10 minutes and the rest as they say is history

Yeah, that was a bad one.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

If you forget the first million years and just think of the last 7, what would be your conclusion? I know that's very hard on Arsene but this is a hard business. We should not be starting the 2012-13 season thinking a trophy is impossible. But if Wenger is in charge, does anybody think otherwise?

From 2006-2010, some will say it was acceptable as we all knew the aim was to challenge for the league, but finishing in the top 4 was not bad. But from 2010-now. You'd have to say its been a disaster and we should of won something in the last 3 years and Projet youth should have got off the ground.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Wigan game April 2010

We had just lost to Spuds the wednesday before to knock our title hopes but Spuds then go and beat Chelsea the weekend after meaning we could get right back in. We play shit but somehow lead 2-0. Wigan score 3 in last 10 minutes and the rest as they say is history

Yep i remeber that we got battred by Barca and once again a defeat in the CL cause a collapsed in the league, which has happend again in the last 2 seasons

[fakeyank]

As does Wenger. You can accuse him of many things but not caring about winning and not caring about Arsenal is not fair.
Which, combined with the good times he brought us, is why personal insults aimed at him are, IMO, out of line. And they add nothing to your arguments. If anything they detract from them which is a pity because your opinions are not unreasonable when stripped of the hysteria.

Its not that the vile and anger towards Arsene came out just because he is not winning. Its the way he takes the fans for a ride with his BS that has got him to this position. Ex: Waiting period, 2% from domination, super quality players, the way he handled Cesc's and Nasri's transfer, his 100% support of the 'suspected' vision of the board.

The last part is bold because that is the most important one. Currently we have 2 scenarios that is bringing our club down- Either its AW completely losing it OR it is the board tearing up this club for their own benefit and desire. I think its the former BUT for a second, lets say the later is true. My problem here is AW's uni-vocal support for that shit. Why would a 'football' manager openly support the daylight looting of a club he is managing.. he can quit any second! Its not like he will be a poor man tomorrow for it or have a tough time finding a job.
I know quite a few have said that there is no doubt that AW loves the club and cares dearly for it... how do you know that? If he did, he wouldnt back the owners. You dont think that it would be better if he quit and gave a press conference a day or a week later citing his constant battle with the board regarding player transfers? You dont think the fans would go up in arms together (for a change) and revolt against this board? This also saves his legacy as of one of the greatest Arsenal managers ever... BUT guess what he is doing? He is the mouth piece of the board AND thats why my friend, I call him whatever I call him and he absolutely 100% deserves it!

[Dog Toffee]

I dont think Wenger should go. I love him too much. Ive also yet to read one single post that convinces me the alternative would be any better.