Should Wenger go?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Mmm. Maybe you're right
Although there was a phase this season, after the disastrous start, where we seemed to be getting it together and they did look like a decent side there for a while who had a bit of fight about them. Now, I just don't know

Because the pressure was off, as soon as we maneuvered ourselves into a position of respectability that's when the shit results started kicking in, we got 4th on new years eve and then lost three games afterwards.......a team tends to always take on the characteristics of it's manager, and this team has no character.

[Xhaka Can’t]

The team is nowhere near being good enough, but it is better than how it performs under pressure situations.

The more they talk about 'fight' and showing 'response to a poor performance' the more you should cash in and back against them. If we had acted as cold hearted punters over the past 4 years or more, rather than Arsenal fans, based upon predictions reguarly made on this forum, we'd be fairly well off individuals.

[Power n Glory]

Its not that the vile and anger towards Arsene came out just because he is not winning. Its the way he takes the fans for a ride with his BS that has got him to this position. Ex: Waiting period, 2% from domination, super quality players, the way he handled Cesc's and Nasri's transfer, his 100% support of the 'suspected' vision of the board.

The last part is bold because that is the most important one. Currently we have 2 scenarios that is bringing our club down- Either its AW completely losing it OR it is the board tearing up this club for their own benefit and desire. I think its the former BUT for a second, lets say the later is true. My problem here is AW's uni-vocal support for that shit. Why would a 'football' manager openly support the daylight looting of a club he is managing.. he can quit any second! Its not like he will be a poor man tomorrow for it or have a tough time finding a job.
I know quite a few have said that there is no doubt that AW loves the club and cares dearly for it... how do you know that? If he did, he wouldnt back the owners. You dont think that it would be better if he quit and gave a press conference a day or a week later citing his constant battle with the board regarding player transfers? You dont think the fans would go up in arms together (for a change) and revolt against this board? This also saves his legacy as of one of the greatest Arsenal managers ever... BUT guess what he is doing? He is the mouth piece of the board AND thats why my friend, I call him whatever I call him and he absolutely 100% deserves it!

I don't think there is any conflict between Wenger and the board. If they're trying to milk is dry they have to complete morons to not look at that wage bill and think that's the biggest bleeder of money that needs rectifying. It makes no sense selling everything you own to pay off a bill when your outgoings continue to go up and up year on year. We're seeing a mismanagement of funds from the management and it's evident from the wage bill and the fact that guys like Djourou get offered a new contract and if RVP isn't offered what it will take for him to stay here, then you have to llook back at DJ's extension and question the logic behind this policy.

If the wage bill was going down along with the quality of players we had, then I could agree when people say we're getting raped by the owners. But whoever is looking at the books and telling Wenger to sell players for profits must have spotted the £100m wage bill and I would have thought that would have been on the agenda to lower. Before extending Djourou's contract someone should be prodding him on the shoulder and asking whether he's sure he wants to extend and injury prone useless squad player's contract when our captain and top scorer still hasn't signed his.

It's a flawed strategy we have here. Walcott is 22 and close to hitting the 100k a week mark. We're overspending on shit players and someone has to spot this flaw. I don't think there is any conflict between the Board and manager on spending. Financially prudent people are able to spot this sort of shit and know that you can't keep selling assets to maintain. You have to lower the bills somehow.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Because he signed a contract and he has integrity. He has shown that throughout his career.
As for whether he loves the club, you can see that however much our decline is hurting us it's hurting him more. You can SEE it. Look at him on the touchline, he's in pain. Whether he's the right man to do anything about it, I agree he isn't. But whether anyone else can with our idiot board is highly debatable.
I don't think he backs the owners any more than he really thinks our squad is super, super quality. But he's not going to say anything publicly. Maybe he should but if nothing else he's a man of principle.

Whilst i agree AW cares for the club highly, I don't think he cares for football anymore, well thats what i see when i look at him, i don't see the motivation that i say in the vidro that Coney posted in another thread. For me this transfers to the players.

I want to see that Wenger that used to give it to fergie, and chav managers. I want to see that Wenger who gave it to Jol and Pardew. Not this lonley shell off a man who looks like he as Just gambled his house away and is in the shit with his missus.

[Japan Shaking All Over]

I don't think we lack fight right now. We lack ability.

To be honest Lettets, I was really thinking that we had got that fighting spirit back and that we wete becoming a more balanced team and that a decent base was being formed but the fight started to get knocked out of us over December and it looks like we know not how to get it back!

It is no coincidence that it happens to us again and again at the same stage of the season. . .I have resisted for so long to call for Wenger to go, well have been conservative in the way I put it but even if we didnt lose another game all season, I would still have to say that it would be best handing the reigns over. . . .

A lot will dance a merry dance but it will do nothing but hurt to see Wenger go, especially in such circumstances

[Olivier's xmas twist]

To be honest Lettets, I was really thinking that we had got that fighting spirit back and that we wete becoming a more balanced team and that a decent base was being formed but the fight started to get knocked out of us over December and it looks like we know not how to get it back!

It is no coincidence that it happens to us again and again at the same stage of the season. . .I have resisted for so long to call for Wenger to go, well have been conservative in the way I put it but even if we didnt lose another game all season, I would still have to say that it would be best handing the reigns over. . . .

A lot will dance a merry dance but it will do nothing but hurt to see Wenger go, especially in such circumstances

Yep as much as most want him out, don't think any gooner really hates him deep down we will all be sad to see him go even if its only the 2% in us that does.

Agree he should hand in that letter too, whatever happend, next season should be a new start lets build from there.

[Power n Glory]

Mmm. Maybe you're right
Although there was a phase this season, after the disastrous start, where we seemed to be getting it together and they did look like a decent side there for a while who had a bit of fight about them. Now, I just don't know

I did say it was too early to judge the character of this team. It's no different to what we've seen in the past. Around this stage we always fall apart. We always pick up injuries and always look jaded.

[Japan Shaking All Over]

Why because vyou bsaid so. Winning the league is nothing wee havent done before, Madrid have sacked mangars that have won leagues and CL. Yet 2004 is held up as the pinnacle of football. I wanted him out after we bottled the CL. How does yuours o anyones opinion mattter more than any other. Maybe I was being prescient maybe you cannot accept that Wenger is an abject failure now. Or are you running a Gaddafi show here now, that brooks no other opinions

And when Real sacked thoses managers we have wondered what the hell they were doing?
You use our bottling the CL but that would never have been reason to sack Wenger in 2004, as the team had just shown how strong it was and that we had every reason to believe we would get another bite at the cherry!
We arent as heartless as the likes of Real, who care nothing (in hindsight maybe we should have been) . .but I do wonder about your claim to have had the notion that we should have rid ourselves of Wenger after achieving something no other team had done and at the same time won the league doing so!

[BOBN]

wenger leaving might be the only way to get back to a sensible wage structure where the kids are paid like kids and top players like top players. cant see a new manager agreeing to put the next bendtner on 52k a week.

but youd expect the next manger to have much less power so maybe he wouldnt be able to effect change on that matter.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Why because vyou bsaid so. Winning the league is nothing wee havent done before, Madrid have sacked mangars that have won leagues and CL. Yet 2004 is held up as the pinnacle of football. I wanted him out after we bottled the CL. How does yuours o anyones opinion mattter more than any other. Maybe I was being prescient maybe you cannot accept that Wenger is an abject failure now. Or are you running a Gaddafi show here now, that brooks no other opinions

How Can it be his fault that Lehman got sent off did he tell him to be stupid, all that Henry instead of showing of missing 2 1 on 1's did he tell henry to miss them.

Wenger did all he could in that came to motivate the team it was the players who failed that day.