No.Originally Posted by ItsMe
Are "everything's rosy" and "sack the manager" the only opinions one can hold? Nothing in between?
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Are "everything's rosy" and "sack the manager" the only opinions one can hold? Nothing in between?
Nonsense, no one even said that or anything like that. people know where we stand but are enjoying how the team is playing that all, Its called supporting your team.
Does not make the fans less ambitious to think like this or would you prefer we lost those games and then moaned how bad the club is run etc? Stupid question or course you would.
Last edited by Olivier's xmas twist; 13-03-2012 at 09:44 PM.
"I really like Arsenal. Do you really like Arsenal, or only Arsenal with trophies?" - Dennis Bergkamp.
"Which Arsenal do they want back, the one Arsene created?" - Tony Adams.
When me and lots of other Gooners were jumping around last night after TV5's late goal, this was Zimm:
It's weird. I've never known a supposed Gooner take so much delight in our failings and be so annoyed when we do well.
Glory hunters what do you expect, mind you we could have won the treble and he'd still have moaned. Easy to be say things like this on a board but if Zimm and others have had enough why don't they protest etc.When me and lots of other Gooners were jumping around last night after TV5's late goal, this was Zimm:
It's weird. I've never known a supposed Gooner take so much delight in our failings and be so annoyed when we do well.
"I really like Arsenal. Do you really like Arsenal, or only Arsenal with trophies?" - Dennis Bergkamp.
"Which Arsenal do they want back, the one Arsene created?" - Tony Adams.
Thought we were discussing a big club here where its board members have become rotten spoil by fans buying tickets and attending games no matter how much they showed disregard for fans' pride and bragging rights.
Why is Zimm a glory hunter? I know he has been around as an Arsenal fan for a long long time.. if he was a glory hunter, he'd be posting on blue moon or rising moon or whatever their forum is. Zimm is just stating what has happened the last 6 seasons and asking us to change directions next season... whats wrong in that?
I dont know about him but I can say I am super happy with how the last few games have gone... however am I feeling over the moon thinking things have changed? Do I think we have turned the corner? NO! We have had too many false dawns with this manager.
Wengers biggest is to con the people that next year will be better than this. He has done this for 8 seasons in a row now and we still dont see the road beyond the smokescreen. A majority seem to suffer the battered wife syndrome, where they feel it is better to stick with the pain than try the big bad world out there. I appreciate the positive results in the last month, but what about the crap the preceded it?. We were once 15th in the league 3 months or so into the season. Wenger digs us into a great hole and we stand marvelling and cheering as he scrapes his way out of it. Sure he hates losing but does winning really mean everthing to him. every season we spend more energy running to simply stay in the same spot. Is this what we believe is our lot. We stick with Wenger because he has done good in the past. He knows it and the board know it and the con game continues. Start of the season Wenger tells us he wants to win everything. By Xmas he tells us 4th is a trophy, by Easter we are out of everything. All we then say is next season. It is a crock. Remember a time when we used to go to OT and win?........Now we are like the spuds who have to mentally consign 6 points to the Mancs at the start of each season. Aston Villa, Forest can point to CL trophies, but our so called greatest manager ever just wants to qualify each year. Sure we can keep Wenger and expend more energy fending off the Spuds the hapless Reds and the Clueless blues. But rest assured Man City are here to stay. If Mancini bottles it this season I can bet you a handful of 50s that he will be sacked. There are better managers out there and if we hold on the the delusion that Wenger will lead us to the promised land we will miss out on them and spend possibly 30 years of our energetic years wondering how it never happened in our lifetimes.
This is true. No other club at our level would have put up with that, but then no other club at our level has a board so obsessed with making money to the detriment of strengthening the squad. No-one really knows what's going on the club, the most rabid anti-Wenger people insist that the board are throwing money at him which he just plain refuses to spend because he's too stubborn to admit the squad aren't good enough or too principled to pay the sorts of amounts clubs demand. The opposite way of looking at it is Wenger is manfully battling away with a squad not good enough to compete because the board insist he make a profit every year and sell his best players to do so.
I suspect the truth is somewhere in the middle of those two extremes as it tends to be.
Wenger's failure to deliver trophies is damning but his keeping us in the top 4 in an era of billionaires and other clubs spending far more than us in an attempt to overtake us (most of which have failed) is IMO fairly impressive. My fear has always been that post Wenger we'll get worse. I think some people have underestimated how hard it is to keep a team competitive in the PL these days. At times it's looked like there's not much to lose though. Now, I'm not so sure. We'll see what happens in the rest of the season, another collapse into 6th place and yeah, we might as well look elsewhere. Keep playing like we have, finish top 4 and the Podolski rumours pan out then we might just have something.
Never said he was not once in my post. and i understand how you feel but at least you post in threads when we win games not only when we loose unlike some. I agree A new manager should come in no problem with that, but does it mean because im enjoying how the team is playing now, i should be told i have a short memeorie or that i am accepting failure(no one said it today).
I just think people are happy for the now and feel what ever happens in the summer happens.
"I really like Arsenal. Do you really like Arsenal, or only Arsenal with trophies?" - Dennis Bergkamp.
"Which Arsenal do they want back, the one Arsene created?" - Tony Adams.
Not in the same way as it is when we're trying to win something no, against Spurs they were expected to win...at 2-0 down we had nothing to lose and yes we showed great fight but in reality it was from a no pressure situation.
Yesterday's result was great in the end, but I don't think we were under great pressure, 4th place is the goal not 3rd.
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