Wenger Out?

[Letters]

And there manager was sacked for that reason, which is my point.

Which is why they're now sweeping all before them...
Other clubs would have sacked Wenger, other clubs haven't always benefited from sacking their manager though. It's misguided to think that things will definitely get better when Wenger goes and it's laughable that some people seem to think things can't get any worse. Some people have forgotten just how rubbish Arsenal have been at times in the not too distant past.

[Kano]

Which is why they're now sweeping all before them...
Other clubs would have sacked Wenger, other clubs haven't always benefited from sacking their manager though. It's misguided to think that things will definitely get better when Wenger goes and it's laughable that some people seem to think things can't get any worse. Some people have forgotten just how rubbish Arsenal have been at times in the not too distant past.

so how do you gauge the right time for him to leave? after he's fucked up and we drop out of the top four? do we keep him in charge indefinitely?

what better time to do it than when we are stable club, with a decent squad with good potential. he has shown repeatedly with similar squads that he is no longer able to improve results in general.

we will never know what will happen until it actually does, so we can sit on our hands scared of what may happen or be bold enough to test the waters - which has to happen at some point anyway.

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so how do you gauge the right time for him to leave? after he's fucked up and we drop out of the top four? do we keep him in charge indefinitely?

what better time to do it than when we are stable club, with a decent squad with good potential. he has shown repeatedly with similar squads that he is no longer able to improve results in general.

we will never know what will happen until it actually does, so we can sit on our hands scared of what may happen or be bold enough to test the waters - which has to happen at some point anyway.

I think Wenger has proved he can keep Arsenal up with a limited found available .What we need is not a change of manager but a change of attitude for both manager and the board . They must understand our youth policy may not produce the expected result even in a long term . We may buy young talents and make them stars and yet lose them to other teams offering them more money and more realistic opportunities for trophies . We need to balance the youth system with some good and experience players who will serve as role model to these young talents and making Arsenal an attractive team for any player young or experienced . Wenger has the ability to do it .He done it in the past . He just need someone to convince him that his youth policy alone is a failure . David dein could be the man to make wenger reconsider his obsession with young players . But at the moment Arsene is still the man to move Arsenal forward . If he gets rid of the dead woods ( Chamack , Bendter , Squillaci , Djourou ,Almunia , Denilson ..etc) and adds just 3 quality players 1 striker ( Podolski ) , 1 good central midfielder ( Gotze , Marin , Hamsik , Hasard , Gourcuff, Eriksen ,Inler ) and 1 defender ( Vertoghen) Arsenal would become a strong team capable of challenging for every competition .

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The poll results are interesting and shocking at the same time.

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GW in being fickle shocker

[Olivier's xmas twist]

GW in being fickle shocker

Modern day footie fans are fickle anyway so its a not a surprise.

[Letters]

GW in being fickle shocker

As fickle as football fans are I don't think anyone has gone from "Wenger is a bumbling idiot" to "Wenger's the greatest genius in football history" because of a few good results. The poll is still quite mixed, far more so than it would have been a couple of years ago when most still backed Wenger. People's mood has shifted quite a lot this season as we've had ups and downs.

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As fickle as football fans are I don't think anyone has gone from "Wenger is a bumbling idiot" to "Wenger's the greatest genius in football history" because of a few good results. The poll is still quite mixed, far more so than it would have been a couple of years ago when most still backed Wenger. People's mood has shifted quite a lot this season as we've had ups and downs.

What id like to know is who from the thread in the link below has changed their mind and why

http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/sh...t=1206&page=24

[Kano]

I think Wenger has proved he can keep Arsenal up with a limited found available .What we need is not a change of manager but a change of attitude for both manager and the board . They must understand our youth policy may not produce the expected result even in a long term . We may buy young talents and make them stars and yet lose them to other teams offering them more money and more realistic opportunities for trophies . We need to balance the youth system with some good and experience players who will serve as role model to these young talents and making Arsenal an attractive team for any player young or experienced . Wenger has the ability to do it .He done it in the past . He just need someone to convince him that his youth policy alone is a failure . David dein could be the man to make wenger reconsider his obsession with young players . But at the moment Arsene is still the man to move Arsenal forward . If he gets rid of the dead woods ( Chamack , Bendter , Squillaci , Djourou ,Almunia , Denilson ..etc) and adds just 3 quality players 1 striker ( Podolski ) , 1 good central midfielder ( Gotze , Marin , Hamsik , Hasard , Gourcuff, Eriksen ,Inler ) and 1 defender ( Vertoghen) Arsenal would become a strong team capable of challenging for every competition .

he can achieve the minimum expected of the club, he has done for a while now but the potential is much larger. how many years do you keep saying ‘one more year’. even if was winning everything in sight, at some point he would have to leave (fergie the perfect example) and the club has to look for a manager that can sustain that level.

the youth project, wages etc still do not take away from the fact that wenger makes repeated mistakes on the pitch – something that has nothing to do with anything off the field. there is a chance that another manager may not perform as well but it is just as likely that they would perform as well and perhaps better.

how long can a top club remain just doing the same thing year on year and how many times does the team under wenger have to repeat the same cycle before something new is tried? of course i am talking purely from a football perspective and the off field politics may well impact on the manager situation but the only concrete evidence we have is what we actually see on the pitch and it is clear after another collapse in January that it’s a cycle that can’t be broken under wenger anymore. sad but true.

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he can achieve the minimum expected of the club, he has done for a while now but the potential is much larger. how many years do you keep saying ‘one more year’. even if was winning everything in sight, at some point he would have to leave (fergie the perfect example) and the club has to look for a manager that can sustain that level.

the youth project, wages etc still do not take away from the fact that wenger makes repeated mistakes on the pitch – something that has nothing to do with anything off the field. there is a chance that another manager may not perform as well but it is just as likely that they would perform as well and perhaps better.

how long can a top club remain just doing the same thing year on year and how many times does the team under wenger have to repeat the same cycle before something new is tried? of course i am talking purely from a football perspective and the off field politics may well impact on the manager situation but the only concrete evidence we have is what we actually see on the pitch and it is clear after another collapse in January that it’s a cycle that can’t be broken under wenger anymore. sad but true.

Another question to consider is whether Wenger is holding Arsenal back or not . We can't speculate on what is behind closed doors as that is between Arsene and his Directors . Was Arsenal better off before the Wenger era ? Will Arsenal necessarily be much better if Wenger step down ? Will the new manager garantie succes and more achievement more than Wenger ? If we can get positive answers to all these issues , then yes sack Wenger .But it would be regrettable to take a hasty decision which will not work and make Arsenal a middle table team .