Wenger Out?

[bignev]

Of course Wenger can't live off that forever. No-one is saying he shouldn't be questioned and we shouldn't expect a club at our level to be winning trophies - although it must be acknowledged that it was Wenger who raised our level and the expectations which go with it.

You're right, he's almost certainly not going because he is delivering what the board expect. I'm not sure if Wenger can take us forward but I have seen some signs of hope recently which have made me reconsider my opinion from a couple of months back when I couldn't see we had much to lose by sacking him. Now I'm not so sure. We've had false dawns before and this might well be another one, I guess we'll see in the remaining 10 games.

[fakeyank]

True and last season we were competing its only because we did not replace the key players we lost we fell short or we be right up there this season.

We never compete beyond March mate.. April is our cut off date. Feb is the usual time frame when we crash out of everything but we do happen to push it out to March once in a while.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

We never compete beyond March mate.. April is our cut off date. Feb is the usual time frame when we crash out of everything but we do happen to push it out to March once in a while.

True, although last season had we only won the CC it seemed like we win something else.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

why not now? what difference would it make if he left now or end of next season? at some point he has to leave anyway, so why not now.

No way do we need an unknown manager to replace him, we need someone we know can come in and turn this club around.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

You're right, he's almost certainly not going because he is delivering what the board expect.

[fakeyank]

True, although last season had we only won the CC it seemed like we win something else.

Had we, could have, If, possibly, may be....

Story of our last 6 seasons

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Had we, could have, If, possibly, may be....

Story of our last 6 seasons

Very true Sir, very true.

[Alpha]

you are said in your previous post it was the board and the crowd that have more of an affect than the manager. that is nonsense of course.what happens on the pitch is a direct reflection of the management of the team and despite us having the talent at our disposal to do better, we repeatedly haven't.as wenger says above, if the team put the effort in, the crowd will respond.our stagnation has nothing to do with fans or the board but the manager.

I never said what you rightly call nonsense. I even said Wenger has more responsibility for all that happen on the pitch . So you got everything wrong here . What I actually underline is everyone concerned must play their part and share the blame when things go wrong . The Board must release enough fund to buy new players when needed . The fans must cheer the team up . Players must give their best . That is my point . I don't like to make Wenger the sole scapegoat for our failure . We win together and we lose together .

[Super Ghel]

Gosh, I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve seen polls like this being reincarnated in the last several years, with cries from the usual quarters calling for Wenger’s head to be served on a platter and here we are yet again, stuck in a loop with meaningless ultimatums and pointless deliberations of Wenger’s fate when we all know he’s not going anywhere anytime soon lol.

And judging by the sound bite from the club on the subject of CL qualification, I’ll even wager that if we don’t make top 4 at the end of May, Wenger will still remain in charge next season with the strong support and backing of the people who actually matters in the equation. I don’t know why it’s such a difficult concept for some people to grasp, but to me, it’s evidently clear that at the very core of these farcical merry go round re Wenger, are two very distinct paradigms and polar opposite views on the definition of success for the club. In one corner we have disgruntled fans who see the last 6-7 barren years as nothing but abject failure, while on the other, we have the leadership of the club (both old and new), who views this period as one of great success (whether they openly admit it or not is another story).

How so you ask? Well you say we’ve won fuck all for the last 7 years, but from the management’s perspective, the biggest trophy for the club is standing right there in front of your eyes, in the form of a prized asset called the Emirates. And with the help of their mercurial employee of the decade, the club has continued to qualify for the CL, despite odds of spending not just minimally but negatively. This in turn has allowed the club to pay off its debt at a record pace and thus set the club up nicely for FFP (whether this rule will actually help remains to be seen). And the icing on top for the old guard (thanks to this non fussy star performer), is that they get to execute their exit strategies according to plan and hustle the noob for maximum returns. And you call that a failure?

And what of the new guard? Do you think he’s paying this exorbitant price so he can bask in glory and twirl his moustache thin in anxious agony for some silverware at the end of the day? So then what’s perked his interest? I’ll say he sees value in the club’s approach to long term excellence and the management’s mantra of self sustainability which ties in with his personal investment philosophy; he see huge potential for growth and expansion, and desperately wants to sample a portion of that delicious serving called Buffet Warren (the French version that is). Do you honestly think he’s gonna let this proven money making machine slip away from his grasp that easily? Nah, he’s the key component unfortunately. The way I see it, as long as this chasm of expectation remains, I seriously doubt the club is going to let Wenger go anytime soon.

That makes it worse . Wenger has the power to demand what he wants but goes along with them. He's holding us back not them. To me that's just cowardly he has the resources and position to compete but embraces the fact there is money but he doesn't use it.

I find this inspired BS revolving around the notion that it’s Wenger holding the club back and not the other way around quite ridiculous. He maybe the golden goose/mouthpiece/whatever but at the end of the day, he’s just an employee, nothing more. This kind of retarded logic just doesn’t stand up to the scrutiny of the simplest basic test of common sense. If you insist that Wenger is the source of the problem and not the board, then please tell me how do you reconcile the following inconsistencies?

1. Are you saying that it’s OK and acceptable for the employers/board to be Wengerites but it is not OK for the employee to be one? Is that not cringeworthy double standards of the highest degree?

2. If what you’re claiming is true and Wenger is leading the board by the nose and dragging the club down, then surely by not acting on it, the board is in breach of their duty of care to the club? Would this not automatically make them accountable and warrant them walking in the first place?

3. It’s already no big secret what the board thinks of the Wenger-out camp. Their stance on the subject is crystal clear and consistent. So if you think Wenger’s the problem and not the board; thereby making no counter claim to the board’s assertion that you’re mongs (either by abstinence or implied level of blame), are you implying there’s some validity to their claim? You can’t both be right at the same time so one of you must be wrong. So which is it? What is a neutral supposed to make of your argument?

See how farcical it becomes if you absolve the board of accountability or blame? Nah, to conclude that Wenger’s the master puppeteer and the source of the problem is just oxymoronic. If you want to accuse Wenger of anything, he is guilty of complicity, that much is certain. But then again, he’s the employee after all.

[Fist of Lehmann]

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