Match Reaction vs QPR

[Özil's Panoramic View]

3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th places will only be separated by a few points, even GD for that matter. That was a vital 3 points we lost yesterday; thing is, can we keep it together going into the tough crunch games ahead? City still have the depth to toss us aside and Chelsea, who kicked their manager to the curb in less than a season and appointed an unproven as interim, have been on the rebound and looking like glimpses of their old selves.

I just don't get how a manager becomes bigger than a club. Why is this messianic status still being accorded to Wenger? I know he got us to play the best club football at one point and won us some titles - barring the big one, the CL - but it is very apparent that his managerial skills plateaued and have been going down the other side of the hill for quite some years now. It's like the game has evolved beyond his scope. I don't want to hear anything about big money being spent by other clubs because I'm sure SAF and Manure have not spent shit loads of cash and just look at their level of success. It's all about expectations, ambition and pride, of which we seem to have none. Every season we settle for less than the previous one.

[Power n Glory]

The funny thing is people in the thread I started were accusing others of knee-jerking for changing their position after a 'few good games' (I would suggest that 7 wins on the bounce is a bit more than that), and then after that run 1 defeat and you and the other toddlers on here throw their toys out of the pram with wearying predictability.

Why not just focus on the football instead of worrying about fans reactions? Why is it that the reaction here on GW gets you more riled than our team losing? You always come in here claiming reactions are 'knee jerk'. Who gives a shit! It's an instant reaction and people are pissed about losing. Plus the 'toddlers' comment. Is that really necessary?

[Niall_Quinn]

The Board shouldn't crop up in this discussion, in the same way they weren't mentioned on the match thread in our last few games. It doesn't take £200m to beat QPR, it's a bullshit argument considering we smashed Milan 3-0 not so long ago. Bad preparation, lack of motivation, mistakes on the field and poor management decisions lost us this game.

But it did crop up! Because the criticism seems to be not just about losing to QPR but about the cyclical failure to compete at the very top. If people are complaining about 3rd place and saying TV needs to GTFO and Wenger should be sacked and so on, I assume this is not on the back of a single loss to QPR but rather on the performance across the season as a whole? Or even multiple seasons? Or fuck, maybe it is just based on one game. But assuming not.

We're usually fourth, right now we're third. If that's not good enough then are we supposed to be top or second? Above two clubs who pour countless millions more into their squads? Be nice if we were but if we're going to start sacking everyone then the aim must be to get something better. So to compete at the top we'll need to start spending on the levels of the Manchester clubs. So this is why the board absolutely should be mentioned if other individuals are going to be singled out. They won't spend the money so we're already as high as we can go. So why do people want to sack everyone for getting us as far as can realistically be expected? Shouldn't they want to sack the fuckers who have imposed the glass ceiling?

[Power n Glory]

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But it did crop up! Because the criticism seems to be not just about losing to QPR but about the cyclical failure to compete at the very top. If people are complaining about 3rd place and saying TV needs to GTFO and Wenger should be sacked and so on, I assume this is not on the back of a single loss to QPR but rather on the performance across the season as a whole? Or even multiple seasons? Or fuck, maybe it is just based on one game. But assuming not.

We're usually fourth, right now we're third. If that's not good enough then are we supposed to be top or second? Above two clubs who pour countless millions more into their squads? Be nice if we were but if we're going to start sacking everyone then the aim must be to get something better. So to compete at the top we'll need to start spending on the levels of the Manchester clubs. So this is why the board absolutely should be mentioned if other individuals are going to be singled out. They won't spend the money so we're already as high as we can go. So why do people want to sack everyone for getting us as far as can realistically be expected? Shouldn't they want to sack the fuckers who have imposed the glass ceiling?

QPR shouldn't be the glass ceiling. If we lost against City and the clubs that spent more than us, then you'd have a valid point.

[Niall_Quinn]

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QPR shouldn't be the glass ceiling. If we lost against City and the clubs that spent more than us, then you'd have a valid point.

No, the lack of investment is the glass ceiling. If we finish third this season we'll have our noses pushed against it. I do have a point, you're ignoring it and talking about something else.

[Letters]

3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th places will only be separated by a few points, even GD for that matter. That was a vital 3 points we lost yesterday;

Well, yes, it will be tight but you could equally say it was a vital 21 points we got in the 7 games preceding yesterday's game.
Did you think we were going win win every game till the end of the season? Every team loses silly games sometimes, as I said ManYoo lost to Blackburn at home this year. It happens. The important thing is how will we react? I am worried this will be the 3rd bad run of the season and at this stage that would prove vital.

I just don't get how a manager becomes bigger than a club. Why is this messianic status still being accorded to Wenger?

The answer to both of those questions is the same: He isn't. I haven't heard anyone on here argue differently.

[Letters]

It's an instant reaction and people are pissed about losing. Plus the 'toddlers' comment. Is that really necessary?

It isn't an instant reaction, there was an initial reaction but then a lot of the posts are hours after the game.
I was annoyed about yesterday's result too but let's have a bit of perspective, the loss comes after winning 7 games in a row, we're just not going to win every game and it's idiotic to think we would.

If people act like toddlers then I think it's reasonable to pick them up on it. If yesterday's result was the start of another slump then I'll be as pissed off as anyone but that can only be seen after the next few games. Let's see before throwing toys out of the pram.

[Power n Glory]

No, the lack of investment is the glass ceiling. If we finish third this season we'll have our noses pushed against it. I do have a point, you're ignoring it and talking about something else.

Yeah, I'm talking about football. When we lose Carling Cup finals against relegated teams and lose games like how we lost yesterday, little sense in talking about our finances. When you flip the coin, there are teams that have beaten us operating on a smaller budget. How can that be explained? It has nothing to do with Board level stuff, just a well drilled organised, motivated team and a coach with a gameplan. That's all it boils down to. We were on a 7 game winning streak and have beaten better teams than QPR. You weren't talking about squad depth, the board and finances then. Circumanstances regarding top level dealings were the same then as they are now. It comes down to bad preparation and our players losing focus. Can't keep blaming the board for every loss. As said before, when the pre season preparation starts, that's where they'll be more influential and should be setting goals for the club, but right now, this is the managers and players territory. 90 minutes on a football field. I get the frustration about always finishing 3rd/4th but it's because of these silly slips and not because we keep dropping point against teams with more money than us.

[hobson's choice]

We're usually fourth, right now we're third. If that's not good enough then are we supposed to be top or second? Above two clubs who pour countless millions more into their squads?

This annoys me right here, yes City and United spent a good bit, but in all reality, they really aren't that much better than us, and, neither are the other so-called big clubs in Europe(Barring Barca). And what frustrates me, is that with better signings over the past couple of years, we easily could be competing for major titles.

The fact there aren't any truly great teams out there, and we have the ability to get back up to the elite elite level right away, if they do their jobs well, and sign some good quality, and they don't have to spend silly to do that.

[Power n Glory]

It isn't an instant reaction, there was an initial reaction but then a lot of the posts are hours after the game.
I was annoyed about yesterday's result too but let's have a bit of perspective, the loss comes after winning 7 games in a row, we're just not going to win every game and it's idiotic to think we would.

If people act like toddlers then I think it's reasonable to pick them up on it. If yesterday's result was the start of another slump then I'll be as pissed off as anyone but that can only be seen after the next few games. Let's see before throwing toys out of the pram.

7 wins in a row doesn't fix what people have seen over the last 6/7 years and the worrying trend we often see. You've been wrong for a long time about the squad and you always come up with this sort of reaction. It's pretty typical and there is probably no point in calling you out on it anymore because you're not getting it.