If we finish 3rd Wenger is the best manager in the league

[Olivier's xmas twist]

best manager in the league

no trophy for 7 years, shite at tactics, cant organise the defence, awful signings along the way, made us an absolute embarressment, but 4 months of good football and apparently he's the best manager in the league

we're fortunate we have rvp otherwise this thread would be 'is wenger the worst manager in the premier league?'

mancini is more tactically astute, its just he has a bunch of knobheads in his team fighting for the biggest payday.

fergie's won the league 12 times out the last 20.

lambert has done a wonder job at norwich.

pardews done well given resources.

not saying any of them are better but christ get a grip, wenger is nowhere near the best in the league. most of it's down to rvp.

if we were talking about wenger pre-2005 then deffo. but now

You need to read the OP again, it has nothing to do with the last 7 years it about this season wha the OP was talking about.

So all this not winnig a thing for 7 years is not relevant to anything.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

You need to read the OP again, it has nothing to do with the last 7 years it about this season wha the OP was talking about.

So all this not winnig a thing for 7 years is not relevant to anything.

yes and i said because of our worst start in 50 odd years he clearly isn't.

if you think some decent results that was mainly down to having rvp in our team makes up for wengers shite season then no chance.

e.g. when we were 2-0 down at tottenham, did wenger change the game? no, the players decided to get off their arses in the 35th minute and started playing properly.

best in the league

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Is he a good manager, without question, is he one of the best no IMO.

He's not managed any success in years and has made some awful mistakes, it really depends whether you think 3rd place is a great achievement and whether a manager accepting this as success is good enough.

Personally I don't think the best managers would have settled for this as easily as he seems to have, it's not just about satisfying your employers IMO, it's about trying to be the best out there and achieving success you can look back on with pride later on.

WTF has that got to do with that the OP askm he asked about this season not about what he never won 6 years ago.

You can't say that apart from fergie right now in the prem(no other league) you'd acutally want any of those to manager our club.

Wenger may not be top of his game atm but he is the best of the rest thats for dam sure.

Who is to say Wenger won't look back on the success he has had and be happy, yes he might not have won a thing in 7 years but its not easy to get in the Cl year in year out its an achievement.

Wengers has to please his employers they pay him we don't when their ambition changes so does his.

If he was as nad a manager as you say they have sacked him long time a go its that simple.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

yes and i said because of our worst start in 50 odd years he clearly isn't.

if you think some decent results that was mainly down to having rvp in our team makes up for wengers shite season then no chance.

e.g. when we were 2-0 down at tottenham, did wenger change the game? no, the players decided to get off their arses in the 35th minute and started playing properly.

best in the league

Fail play, But not many this season are better managers then him if were honest with ourselfs only talking about EPL not other leagues.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

WTF has that got to do with that the OP askm he asked about this season not about what he never won 6 years ago.

You can't say that apart from fergie right now in the prem(no other league) you'd acutally want any of those to manager our club.

Wenger may not be top of his game atm but he is the best of the rest thats for dam sure.

does he? op said:

If we finish 3rd Wenger is the best manager in the league
(Except for that bastard Fergie).

Would you swap Wenger for any other manager in the Prem?

Would any other manager in the world get our squad higher than 3rd?

Kinda makes you think that he's not that shit after all.

never once said this season.

in fact the first response talks about the past 7 years etc etc.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

yes and i said because of our worst start in 50 odd years he clearly isn't.

if you think some decent results that was mainly down to having rvp in our team makes up for wengers shite season then no chance.

e.g. when we were 2-0 down at tottenham, did wenger change the game? no, the players decided to get off their arses in the 35th minute and started playing properly.

best in the league

Using that as an example doesn't make any sense and contradicts your argument; if the players suddenly decided to start playing then can't it be said they are to blame for not performing in previous games? I.e it is not Wenger's fault if players can decide when they turn up or not?
You've already said Mancini is tactically astute but has been let down by players, so in which case it's very hard for us to ever truly evaluate managers if they're so easily at the behest of what players decide to do.

There are valid reasons why the OP could be argued to be wrong but actually using the winning of games against him seems plainly odd.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I disagree, Mourinho has gone to different clubs and delivered extraordinary success at all of them.

Porto and Inter had no hope of winning the CL without him and you can see the difference in the team ethic as soon as her turns up pretty much. How have Chelsea done since he's left, they haven't really won all that much which again shows how good he is.

Wenger has gone over 6 years without so much as a tin pot trophy to his name and has made some awful mistakes, whilst he's not done too badly all in all this season we've lost a lot of games and although we've had two purple patches we've also had some awful runs, that's ignoring the fact we were knocked out of everything by February which is pretty poor for us.

Porto where lucky to win the Cl though nothing to do with Jose being in charge, he pratically faced no one from the 1/4 to win it even cheated the mancs to do it.

And lets not get too excited about him being a succes in portugal not really the hardest league to win really porto always win it anyway.

But his other Achievements can't be knocked even if he has to do it with the help of a chequebook.

Hes's a winner i will give you that but the man is a prick of the heighest.

[LDG]

Some people seem quite dissapointed we have a decent manager.

Fuckin mental, the lot of you.

[Ollie the Optimist]

I disagree, Mourinho has gone to different clubs and delivered extraordinary success at all of them.

Porto and Inter had no hope of winning the CL without him and you can see the difference in the team ethic as soon as her turns up pretty much. How have Chelsea done since he's left, they haven't really won all that much which again shows how good he is.

Wenger has gone over 6 years without so much as a tin pot trophy to his name and has made some awful mistakes, whilst he's not done too badly all in all this season we've lost a lot of games and although we've had two purple patches we've also had some awful runs, that's ignoring the fact we were knocked out of everything by February which is pretty poor for us.

well sorry that is bollocks. he has been at madrid and has won fa cup/carling cup whatever to his name. been shat on by barca every time they play and looks liekly to fuck up a ten point lead in la liga. no way has he delieverd extradorainy success here. in spain, mourinho is guardioloas bitch

[Olivier's xmas twist]

well sorry that is bollocks. he has been at madrid and has won fa cup/carling cup whatever to his name. been shat on by barca every time they play and looks liekly to fuck up a ten point lead in la liga. no way has he delieverd extradorainy success here. in spain, mourinho is guardioloas bitch

Fucking spot on Ollie. Always has been and always will be, Now Pep thats a man who has earnt his success and need not need a spend loads to get it.