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    Nobody is saying they're being optimistic without caution though. Not even Wenger.

    I just don't get how we have seen a very good run of form, and people can't be a little optimistic about the future....

    It's cautious optimism from all concerned, which will turn into more faithful optimism IF we do the right things from now until August.

    I'm still wary of this side faltering before the end of the season, believe me. We're not assured of anything yet.

    But what is the harm in giving credit to the team and to the manager for what they have achieved recently? Surely being congratulatory is better than whacking them at every opportunity?? You can see how they're feeling off the fans just recently....and in turn we've fed off some very good performances.

    Just enjoy it for fucks sake.
    It's better to burn out, than to fade away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDG View Post
    Nobody is saying they're being optimistic without caution though. Not even Wenger.

    I just don't get how we have seen a very good run of form, and people can't be a little optimistic about the future....

    It's cautious optimism from all concerned, which will turn into more faithful optimism IF we do the right things from now until August.

    I'm still wary of this side faltering before the end of the season, believe me. We're not assured of anything yet.

    But what is the harm in giving credit to the team and to the manager for what they have achieved recently? Surely being congratulatory is better than whacking them at every opportunity?? You can see how they're feeling off the fans just recently....and in turn we've fed off some very good performances.

    Just enjoy it for fucks sake.
    but we've seen it before.

    a good run of form and the team looking good, only to be followed by capitulation. believe me i'm enjoying it, im celebrating every goal like a madman, but that doesn't reduce the underlying worry in my stomach regarding the direction of our club. and its a justified worry imo.

    you say you cant believe 'how we have seen a very good run of form, and people can't be a little optimistic about the future', well i can flip that and say 'i cant believe how we have seen another good run of form, and people all of a sudden are overly optimistic about the future'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon View Post
    but we've seen it before.

    a good run of form and the team looking good, only to be followed by capitulation. believe me i'm enjoying it, im celebrating every goal like a madman, but that doesn't reduce the underlying worry in my stomach regarding the direction of our club. and its a justified worry imo.

    you say you cant believe 'how we have seen a very good run of form, and people can't be a little optimistic about the future', well i can flip that and say 'i cant believe how we have seen another good run of form, and people all of a sudden are overly optimistic about the future'.
    I do think there's cause for caution, I've outlined over and over why I see differences this time. What I don't get is that you seem to be dismissing it as 'a few good games' when it clearly isn't. God alone knows why I bothered but here are the tables now, after 7 games and the difference. Only Utd have more points than us in the mean time and it's not a few good games it's 26 games where we've out scored everyone (Only City have the same) and won more points than anyone bar Utd:

    Now:
    Utd P33 W25 D4 L4 F78 A28 Pts 79
    Cit P33 W23 D5 L5 F79 A26 Pts 74
    Ars P33 W20 D4 L9 F66 A41 Pts 64
    Spu P33 W17 D8 L8 F57 A38 Pts 59

    After 7 games:
    Utd P7 W6 D1 L0 F24 A5 Pts 19
    Cit P7 W6 D1 L0 F23 A5 Pts 19
    Spu P7 W4 D1 L2 F13 A12 Pts 13
    Ars P7 W2 D1 L4 F10 A16 Pts 7

    Difference
    Utd P26 W19 D3 L4 F54 A23 Pts 60
    Ars P26 W18 D3 L4 F56 A25 Pts 57
    Cit P26 W17 D4 L5 F56 A21 Pts 55
    Spu P26 W13 D6 L4 F44 A26 Pts 45

    Now, I agree we've had other good runs and not pushed on, there is cause for cautious optimism rather than mindless optimism, but I and others have seen something different about this team which encourages us that it could (note the emphasis) be different this time. I've outlined elsewhere what those things are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon View Post
    but we've seen it before.

    a good run of form and the team looking good, only to be followed by capitulation. believe me i'm enjoying it, im celebrating every goal like a madman, but that doesn't reduce the underlying worry in my stomach regarding the direction of our club. and its a justified worry imo.

    you say you cant believe 'how we have seen a very good run of form, and people can't be a little optimistic about the future', well i can flip that and say 'i cant believe how we have seen another good run of form, and people all of a sudden are overly optimistic about the future'.
    I suppose whether it's whether you're predisposed to be optimistic of pessimistic then

    In any case, I too share the same nagging doubts. It only takes us to get beaten by Chelsea, and get knobbled at the ground of Stoke thugs, and we're in the shit....I know this too well. But I do see a different kind of ethos working on this team. They don't seem to hide like denilson, nasri etc. And we're making far less mistakes at the back.

    None of us can say for sure what will happen. But just going on what Wenger is saying, I don't think he is entertaining the possiblity of having the same kind of nightmare we witnessed last summer.

    Fuck knows. He may do his business early, but that business may be a load of old shite. All I'm saying, is that there is a definite willingness from manager to players. And we're starting to get some of the constantly annoying bugbears from previous season ironed out.

    There is definitely something different about this squad.
    It's better to burn out, than to fade away.

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    For the record

    I don't think this team would capitulate the way people expect. We might slip sure, lose a couple here and there but i think the additions of Arteta and Metersacker and the riddance of Nasri and Clichy has reaped massive benefit for the team. I also think that we have more players who would jump into a fight than before for years we have had RvP as the aggressor and Fabregas as the impish one. Now we have Vermaelen, Kos, RvP, Arteta, Sagna and so on, they will take the knocks, stick a foot in and are steady eddies.

    There i said it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flavs View Post
    For the record

    I don't think this team would capitulate the way people expect. We might slip sure, lose a couple here and there but i think the additions of Arteta and Metersacker and the riddance of Nasri and Clichy has reaped massive benefit for the team. I also think that we have more players who would jump into a fight than before for years we have had RvP as the aggressor and Fabregas as the impish one. Now we have Vermaelen, Kos, RvP, Arteta, Sagna and so on, they will take the knocks, stick a foot in and are steady eddies.

    There i said it
    Yup

    Bloody brilliant innit!
    It's better to burn out, than to fade away.

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    I think we are less talented but more stable

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    When the horse can smell the stable
    It's better to burn out, than to fade away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flavs View Post
    For the record

    I don't think this team would capitulate the way people expect. We might slip sure, lose a couple here and there but i think the additions of Arteta and Metersacker and the riddance of Nasri and Clichy has reaped massive benefit for the team. I also think that we have more players who would jump into a fight than before for years we have had RvP as the aggressor and Fabregas as the impish one. Now we have Vermaelen, Kos, RvP, Arteta, Sagna and so on, they will take the knocks, stick a foot in and are steady eddies.

    There i said it
    Yep, we got rid of two absolute cowards in nasri and clichy and fabregas wasnt far behind.

    Hes managed to pad out the squad and give it a solid base. Now he just needs to sprinkle a little world class magic on the top.

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