"You can't buy Class"??

[Joker]

What about Wenger's post match reactions when we lose? They are hardly displays of "class" are they? Swearing at officials (in Europe) don't portray him in a particularly good light either. Let's not forget about the drinking culture during George Graham's time either.

Our history is not clean at all, and this belief that we're more "classy" than other clubs is bollocks. People talk about the marble halls at Highbury, but that's a physical manifestation of "class", what is more important are actions by individuals who represent the club, and in that regard we are no better than anyone else. This doesn't bother me, because football is not a clean sport and I don't expect (nor want) our club to act posh and represent Victorian Upper Class values.

[Joker]

And Wenger may not have bought diving into the Premiership (for example, Franny Lee of Man City was a notorious diver) but it is true that many of the players he signed were very prominent divers in addition to being top quality players (nowadays he signs divers who can't actually play football either).

Throughout Wenger's time we've been involved in many unsavoury incidents, like Bergkamp's off-the-ball misdemeanour's, Keown, Lauren and Parlour pushing Ruud Van Nistelrooy around, tunnel bust-ups against Man Utd, Vieira spitting at opponents etc etc. As partisan fans we all love these things because they show the players care, but from an objective point of view all these incidents are not particularly examples of "classy" behaviour. I don't care about this, because if you want to see Bourgeois values you should go and watch a cricket match. However, it is hugely hypocritical to act as if we occupy some superior moral high-ground when we're just as dirty as the rest.

[BOBN]

Wenger didnt make diving acceptable be he was the one who introduced a change of diet to boost performance, which is not too dissimilar to steriod abuse. For me its cheating.

bergkamp was also the first johnny foreigner to pick and choose the games he played in. couldnt be arsed with europe away so didnt. Now you have players like tevez taking 6 months off. he showed players what you can get away with if you are a big name.

[Joker]

He also never shares a drink with the opposition manager after the game. You can understand that when he's up against ****s like Mark Hughes or Pulis, but he NEVER takes part in this tradition, even with managers who have nothing but positive things to say about him (Bruce). Is that example of classy behaviour, to not respect your opposite number enough to at least share a drink with him?

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[Master Splinter]

When the Wenger not sharing a drink argument is rolled out, the despair level has gone beyond critical.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

When the Wenger not sharing a drink argument is rolled out, the despair level has gone beyond critical.

Yeah but look who said it the same person who thinks RVP is shit and only gets really happy on here When City win. Anyone who is bothered that AW does nto drink with Pubis or Highes oor Redtwat needs to get a life.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

What about Wenger's post match reactions when we lose? They are hardly displays of "class" are they? Swearing at officials (in Europe) don't portray him in a particularly good light either. Let's not forget about the drinking culture during George Graham's time either.

Our history is not clean at all, and this belief that we're more "classy" than other clubs is bollocks. People talk about the marble halls at Highbury, but that's a physical manifestation of "class", what is more important are actions by individuals who represent the club, and in that regard we are no better than anyone else. This doesn't bother me, because football is not a clean sport and I don't expect (nor want) our club to act posh and represent Victorian Upper Class values.

Supporters say something to opposing supporters that might not be entirely accurate or consistent shocker.

[Joker]

Yeah but look who said it the same person who thinks RVP is shit and only gets really happy on here When City win. Anyone who is bothered that AW does nto drink with Pubis or Highes oor Redtwat needs to get a life.

Read my post again I specifically said that I can UNDERSTAND when he declines a drink with people like Hughes or Pulis, but why does he not drink with the other managers, who have no quarrel with him? Most other managers (including the foreign ones) do, so why shouldn't he?

I think what many people don't want to admit when they claim Arsenal have more "class" than others is that the real meaning of this statement is that Arsenal have more affluent, middle class supporters and somehow automatically that makes us "better" than others. I think this is what that poster at the Emirates really meant, and it's a form of class snobbery that is extremely unappetising.

[Power n Glory]

Fecking hell guys. Let's not totally trash our club, players and in history in order to prove a point.

But I get what's been said and most football fans are hypocrites. People bitch and moan about clubs like City and Chelsea but if our two millionaires decided to pump money into the club ad we bought Gotze, Hazard or whoever the most coveted player is for 2012, all this talk about buying class and success would take a backseat. If a smaller club started getting Lilly about our new money we'd probably tell the peasant to piss off.