Cesc

[Marc Overmars]

Cesc was a great player and if he wanted to go to Barca, I have no problem with that. It is sad that he just looks like just another diving writhing Barca cheating scumbag now.

He looked the same with us.

[fakeyank]

You of all people talking about respect!

Yup, I have it for anyone who does their best in the Arsenal shirt. Left early due to actions of an incompetent manager and useless board.

[fakeyank]

Yes he always said he wanted to go back their, lets not make out that that he would have stayed with us for life if we did or that stuff.

Nasri is someone who you could say who left to win trophies cause he was not pinning over a move to his boyhood club for 2 years.

If Cesc had gone to Madrid or a Inter then id say he had enough of this lot etc. But going to Barca was about going home for him and winning things with the club he loves like he always wantd to do.

It was only we stupidly sold him for less then we should.

he gave us a good service and for that i am greatful but he will never ever be an Arsenal great to me not because he left, cause he just was not a gooner great.

I never said he is great nor did I ever say he wouldve stuck around forever. I do not see born and bred gooners like Jack Wilshere, Jenkinson (if he turns into a world class player), Oxo staying with us if AW continues with the bullshit he has been doing since 06. I only say that Cesc wouldve thought twice or delayed his departure to Barcelona for a longer time.. we did not give a world class player, a world class squad to play with. What we gave him instead was a bunch of mediocre highly paid donkeys and a clueless manager past his sell on date.

[Letters]

incompetent manager.

You think we'd be in 3rd if we had an incompetent manager?

[fakeyank]

You think we'd be in 3rd if we had an incompetent manager?

We'd be out of all competitions by February for 6 years with a club of Arsenal's resources.. yes! Very incompetent

[Letters]

Dodged the question then

[fakeyank]

Dodged the question then

Yes, he is incompetent. I said that in the reply above your post. I look at being 3rd with the resources he has at hand, as a failure. I look at Arsenal as having everything to be the top 3 clubs in world football.. u r happy with top 3 in England and scrapping for CL places. From your perspective, he is very competent.. for me, he is a failure. Depends on perspective.
I hope I never change my perspective and be satiated with being 2nd, 3rd or 4th best. I know it entails me a lot more heartache compared to being content seeing my team lose almost a 3rd of the games in the season and thinking we did something alright, just because the other teams around my team were failures.

[Kano]

If RVP left this season, I gather most people will talk ill of him when he leaves even though they can completely understand why.

hopefully so. it would follow in the best traditions of being a football supporter. y'know, calling digging out ex players when they fail. hardly a bloody revelation is it

[Letters]

Yes, he is incompetent. I said that in the reply above your post. I look at being 3rd with the resources he has at hand, as a failure. I look at Arsenal as having everything to be the top 3 clubs in world football.

Really? ManYoo, City, Chelsea, Barca and Real all have far bigger resources. That's just off the top of my head. We're always up there in the 'rich list' of clubs but that's misleading. City aren't up there at all on that list but you know as well as I that we can't compete with them in the transfer market. None of the above have new stadia to pay off and some of the above are bankrolled in ways we're not and I hope we never are.

We're 3rd. The only teams ahead of us are Utd who we pretty much all acknowledge (through gritted teeth) have the best manager around and City who have spent their way there. We've above all the other sides plenty of whom have spent a lot more than us in an attempt to dislodge us and failed repeatedly. If Wenger is incompetent then what does that say about their managers? Do you actually think it's easy to finish top 4 every single season for as long as Wenger has? Fergie is the only other manager who has done it in England. That tells you something.

I'm happy with being top 3 in England in the sense that it's a lot better than we've been for most of Arsenal's history. I was looking back, from the 50's to the 80's we won 7 trophies. 7. In 40 years. And some of those were a long way apart, we won nothing at all in the 60s, for example. Some people on here have the idea that Arsenal have always been a successful club and won lots of trophies, historically that isn't so. Where I'm less happy is that given that we are at that level we should be winning trophies and that is where we have failed. Wenger has failed. I've explained at length elsewhere why I'm a bit more optimistic about this current lot so we'll see. Let's face it Wenger is going nowhere so you might as well get behind him and he deserves respect for exactly the same reason you say Cesc does - he's giving his best for the club (even if you think that best isn't good enough) and if he is being too restrained in the transfer market I genuinely believe that is at least in part because he's looking longer term. Maybe in part it's because of his principles and doing things the 'right way' which I in some ways admire but also think he needs to be a little more pragmatic. I don't for one minute think he's doing it just to line his own pockets though.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Yes, he is incompetent. I said that in the reply above your post. I look at being 3rd with the resources he has at hand, as a failure. I look at Arsenal as having everything to be the top 3 clubs in world football.. u r happy with top 3 in England and scrapping for CL places. From your perspective, he is very competent.. for me, he is a failure. Depends on perspective.
I hope I never change my perspective and be satiated with being 2nd, 3rd or 4th best. I know it entails me a lot more heartache compared to being content seeing my team lose almost a 3rd of the games in the season and thinking we did something alright, just because the other teams around my team were failures.

best manager in the league tbh