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    We need a new manager with fresh ideas who's not so obsessed with the balance sheet and acting the accountant. Tactically Wenger's been found wanting a lot this season, which has no doubt cost us quite a few points. When we throw away leads late on in games, the manager has to take some responsibility for it because we are so utterly disorganised at times when defending a lead. Wenger's become too stubborn for his good, pursuing ideas and his way of thinking which has failed to deliver for a long time now.

    However, changing the manager won't be enough because we need a board who are willing to invest in the team and aren't purely motivated by dividends. This may be controversial but I wouldn't mind a bigger role for Usmanov tbh. Yes, he's an Oligarch etc etc, but the way modern football is nowadays, we can't really turn down his money. Moreover, the current board are not made up of people who care about trophies and think of Arsenal FC as purely a private enterprise, existing to maximise value for shareholders. Perhaps an Oligarch's motives would inadvertently coincide with the fans, because they want the prestige and status that comes with owning a successful football club, so he'll be pushing for trophies even if it's not for altruistic reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joker View Post
    We need a new manager with fresh ideas who's not so obsessed with the balance sheet and acting the accountant. Tactically Wenger's been found wanting a lot this season, which has no doubt cost us quite a few points. When we throw away leads late on in games, the manager has to take some responsibility for it because we are so utterly disorganised at times when defending a lead. Wenger's become too stubborn for his good, pursuing ideas and his way of thinking which has failed to deliver for a long time now.

    However, changing the manager won't be enough because we need a board who are willing to invest in the team and aren't purely motivated by dividends. This may be controversial but I wouldn't mind a bigger role for Usmanov tbh. Yes, he's an Oligarch etc etc, but the way modern football is nowadays, we can't really turn down his money. Moreover, the current board are not made up of people who care about trophies and think of Arsenal FC as purely a private enterprise, existing to maximise value for shareholders. Perhaps an Oligarch's motives would inadvertently coincide with the fans, because they want the prestige and status that comes with owning a successful football club, so he'll be pushing for trophies even if it's not for altruistic reasons.
    I agree with a lot there, but we don't need Usmanov's money, we just need to fully employ the resources the Club generates and do it in a more effective way.

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    New manager is the simplest solution

    Also fixing our biggest problem would help, the injuries. Its ridiculous the likes of Wilshere is out for the whole season with an injury that was supposed to keep him out for a few weeks. Sagna breaks the same leg i think from just controlling a ball clearly proving it wasnt healed. Theres the Diaby situation. Fair enough hes a bit shit but that isnt the point.

    Bringing in quality players instead of run of the mill Pub Team players/French Africans/youngsters with potential cos we havent got the time to wait for them to come good.

    Get a killer instinct. We dont score enough goals for the chances we create.

    Plan B. Wengeritis football rarely works.

    Go back to 4-4-2. 4-3-3/4-5-1 has been a failure. 4-4-2 is what we won all the trophies under.

    Better mentality. We crumble under the slightest of pressure and we all know how we are after a big defeat.

    Bring in Usmanov. If you cant beat them, join them

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    WHICH new manager are you all talking about? Philip brown? Fat Sam? Pep is having a break, Jose is staying put, Kean isnt available. Who will it be?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    WHICH new manager are you all talking about? Philip brown? Fat Sam? Pep is having a break, Jose is staying put, Kean isnt available. Who will it be?
    not sure but who was wenger before he came here - it doesn't always have to be the obvious choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz View Post
    not sure but who was wenger before he came here - it doesn't always have to be the obvious choice.
    Wenger was still Wenger before he came here. I know it doesn't have to be obvious but is Stan or one of the old buffers going to find a replacement that suits their needs? Because that's what it will be all about. If they had wanted trophies rather than 4th place finishes they would have invested. Not sure why people even mention Wenger, there's zero possibility of him leaving. He's the ideal man for our board, can't think of anoyone else who could do the job. Make them money AND finish in the CL spots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ach View Post
    New manager is the simplest solution

    Also fixing our biggest problem would help, the injuries. Its ridiculous the likes of Wilshere is out for the whole season with an injury that was supposed to keep him out for a few weeks. Sagna breaks the same leg i think from just controlling a ball clearly proving it wasnt healed. Theres the Diaby situation. Fair enough hes a bit shit but that isnt the point.

    Bringing in quality players instead of run of the mill Pub Team players/French Africans/youngsters with potential cos we havent got the time to wait for them to come good.

    Get a killer instinct. We dont score enough goals for the chances we create.

    Plan B. Wengeritis football rarely works.

    Go back to 4-4-2. 4-3-3/4-5-1 has been a failure. 4-4-2 is what we won all the trophies under.

    Better mentality. We crumble under the slightest of pressure and we all know how we are after a big defeat.

    Bring in Usmanov. If you cant beat them, join them
    Agree with everything except the last part. I think Arsenal as a club has decent resources monetarily to challenge for the domestic title. The manager definitely needs to go and we need some fresh ideas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fakeyank View Post
    Agree with everything except the last part. I think Arsenal as a club has decent resources monetarily to challenge for the domestic title.
    You keep saying this but how can we compete financially with City, Chelsea (who have billionaire backers) or Utd (who don't but whose income is far bigger than ours?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    You keep saying this but how can we compete financially with City, Chelsea (who have billionaire backers) or Utd (who don't but whose income is far bigger than ours?)
    I am not saying go head to head with City or Chelsea monetarily. I am saying, use existing resources more efficiently like Utd. Utd's income is bigger but so is their debt. Our board seems inept but so are theirs. The difference is in the managers way of working. While I admit that SAF is in a completely different league, I think a manager who doesnt want to settle for 4th would be a good start. Something that we definitely CAN do is have a better tactical manager. It has nothing to do with money.

    I am asking AW to spend whatever we get in transfers from player sales and may be 10-15 million quid on top of that (if needed). Surely a club our size can do that and if the board is coming in the way of AW spending 10-15 million a season or just the money we make off of transfers, he should quit. I just do not see any two ways in this case. AW is not an accountant at AFC.. he should be responsible in his spending but his primary worry should not be how player sales will affect pre-tax/post tax profits!
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    Quote Originally Posted by fakeyank View Post
    I am not saying go head to head with City or Chelsea monetarily. I am saying, use existing resources more efficiently like Utd. Utd's income is bigger but so is their debt. Our board seems inept but so are theirs. The difference is in the managers way of working. While I admit that SAF is in a completely different league, I think a manager who doesnt want to settle for 4th would be a good start. Something that we definitely CAN do is have a better tactical manager. It has nothing to do with money.

    I am asking AW to spend whatever we get in transfers from player sales and may be 10-15 million quid on top of that (if needed). Surely a club our size can do that and if the board is coming in the way of AW spending 10-15 million a season or just the money we make off of transfers, he should quit. I just do not see any two ways in this case. AW is not an accountant at AFC.. he should be responsible in his spending but his primarily worry should not be how player sales will affect pre-tax/post tax profits!
    Fair enough

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