So, how do WE win the league?

[Marc Overmars]

However at the same time, I don't particularly want the feeling of being stuck in a limbo.

This is the crux of the problem really, Arsenal are in a comfort zone. For the club it's great, for the fans it's frustrating because no one knows whether we should stick or twist. Personally I've seen enough and would like a change, I've become so jaded with the belief of knowing exactly how every season is going to pan out, it makes the relative successes (top 4 every year with a low net spend) seem obsolete.

[Power n Glory]

And who bought him and stuck with him despite all his injury problems and people (I was one of them) thought we should cut our losses. You can't disassociate the players from the manager who signed them all.
But yes, we have been way too reliant on him this year and I hope Podolski is an addition, not a replacement.

Stop taking one part of my post to comment on and ignoring the rest because that's not the main issue. Yes, Wenger signed Van Perise but he could be gone next season and even if he stays, I can't imagine him repeating that performance. But that's not the issue. Wenger may very well be on the wane and he's into his last year of his contract. Why not accept the fact that change must happen for us to move on? If he's unable to win titles or cups and is approaching the end of his career, what's the point in us standing still?

[Letters]

Stop taking one part of my post to comment on and ignoring the rest because that's not the main issue. Yes, Wenger signed Van Perise but he could be gone next season and even if he stays, I can't imagine him repeating that performance. But that's not the issue. Wenger may very well be on the wane and he's into his last year of his contract. Why not accept the fact that change must happen for us to move on? If he's unable to win titles or cups and is approaching the end of his career, what's the point in us standing still?

At some point we need to move on and I agree with Maccy's post about us being in limbo. It does feel like that. Just generally though my feeling is we'll get worse post-Wenger than better. I might be wrong, one day we'll find out.

I think a manager who is managing a club at our level and who hasn't won a trophy for 7 years should be sacked.
But I also think it would be mad to sack a manager who can manage a club to 3rd place given the resources of the teams who finished above us and the spending of the teams below us in their attempts to dislodge us.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Hanging or Electric chair tbh. Only way to be sure.

Guillotine.

[Power n Glory]

At some point we need to move on and I agree with Maccy's post about us being in limbo. It does feel like that. Just generally though my feeling is we'll get worse post-Wenger than better. I might be wrong, one day we'll find out.

I think a manager who is managing a club at our level and who hasn't won a trophy for 7 years should be sacked.
But I also think it would be mad to sack a manager who can manage a club to 3rd place given the resources of the teams who finished above us and the spending of the teams below us in their attempts to dislodge us.

I think people want him gone in general. Also, luck has been on his side. Liverpool have once again appointed a complete idiot to takeover their squad, Roman does what he does best and Spurs just couldn't help themselves. But we can't stand still for ever because those teams will find some sort of stability in the near future and we need to be ready. If those teams weren't going through so many changes internally, we wouldn't be able to hold them off and that's my worry.

[Niall_Quinn]

What else do you propose? Are you suggesting we get rid of the Board and bring in owners willing to spend money? Or hope Stan or/and Jabba start throwing money our way?

If that's your one hope, I don't see how you can shit on City so much with their recent victory. It's hypocritical. A change in management is the only way I see things improving if we don't hit the lottery. Wenger only has a year left and now should be the time to search for his successor IMO.

What? You've just set out a position and assigned it to me and then chastised me for being a hypocrite! Fair enough, but I feel a bit left out of this debate. No, I suggest we get Jack back, bring Ox on as fast as possible, make sure RvP signs, get Podolski settled quickly and bring in 2-3 decent players for maybe £60-70million (incl. wages) which the board can well afford after all those years of raking in the proceeds. That would be roughly how much they have clawed out in investment that should have gone into the team over the last 5 years I'd guess. If you count Arshavin as a premium signing then one a year is fair enough for a club of our stature, especially in light of the names heading out the door.

I'm at a loss to explain this determination to have only two possibilities, zero investment or Man City levels of investment. The latter is an oddity, the exception rather than the rule. Aside from the artificial teams such as City and Chelsea, you can look back and see fairly sensible levels of investment in football. This has been skewed recently due to the activities of those artificial teams as others have sought to keep pace but I'd be happy with a quality signing each year to move things forward. In fact I'd say we've been a quality signing short of getting rid of this trophy blight on several occasions.

[AKBapologist]

Guillotine.

Burnt at the stake?

[Niall_Quinn]

It's possible to at least be competitive in the league without spending money like City. There are top quality players out there who can replenish the squad and City won't be after all of them. We only need to look at Newcastle and the gems they were able to pick out this season. We have been saying for years that the squad is not strong enough, and we don't need to sign players like Messi to augment the squad with quality. Given that we don't seem to spend much of our transfer fund that we make through player sales, surely enough has built up for us to actually build a strong enough squad that can go for the domestic cups and be challenging in the EPL? That doesn't need to cost $100M.

Racist

[Ollie the Optimist]

RVP delivered more like it. We haven't played well this season and I've never seen us so dependent on one player before. RVP can't do that again next season.

But that's besides the point. If we're approaching Wenger's final year, what's the harm in looking for a new manager now? In fact, it'a pretty sad to hear you just accept a champions league qualification as our lot.

what a load of absoulte horseshit. that is so untrue. yes rvp scored but where the fuck would his goals come from without theo, without song etc. what would his goals mean with chesneys saves etc?

[Power n Glory]

What? You've just set out a position and assigned it to me and then chastised me for being a hypocrite! Fair enough, but I feel a bit left out of this debate. No, I suggest we get Jack back, bring Ox on as fast as possible, make sure RvP signs, get Podolski settled quickly and bring in 2-3 decent players for maybe £60-70million (incl. wages) which the board can well afford after all those years of raking in the proceeds. That would be roughly how much they have clawed out in investment that should have gone into the team over the last 5 years I'd guess. If you count Arshavin as a premium signing then one a year is fair enough for a club of our stature, especially in light of the names heading out the door.

I'm at a loss to explain this determination to have only two possibilities, zero investment or Man City levels of investment. The latter is an oddity, the exception rather than the rule. Aside from the artificial teams such as City and Chelsea, you can look back and see fairly sensible levels of investment in football. This has been skewed recently due to the activities of those artificial teams as others have sought to keep pace but I'd be happy with a quality signing each year to move things forward. In fact I'd say we've been a quality signing short of getting rid of this trophy blight on several occasions.

There isn't a sensible level of investment in football. What's the difference between spending £60m each year to spending £160 in one season to bring you from a mid table team to a Champions League team? One team has spent to get to our level and we're talking about spending to win the league. If there is nothing wrong with us spending there is nothing wrong with City spending to win the league. Every team does it but City have done it in a shorter amount of time. Was speaking to my work colleage whose a Spurs fan and he had the cheek to say they've bought the league when they've spent millions just to get into the top four. There is no moral high ground for this and it's funny how people are outraged by it.

You're thinking along the same lines as all the city fans, owners, people in general that see big investments as a way to win trophies. When we swipe Southampton's best players for millions, not a word is said, but I'm sure their fans are pissed at the way the big clubs can just swoop in and take their most talented after years spent developing them. But this is football.