So, how do WE win the league?

[Power n Glory]

Well none of 'this' really should matter. Not talking about Arsenal, Citeh or anybody else but we do, because we talk about football. And so to us, yes it does matter. Tell Rangers fans money doesn't matter after not needing to care about it when they won the league nine seasons in a row.

I'm not saying money doesn't matter. I'm saying there is too much of an emphasis on money in football. It was always going to end up going this way. Clubs are forgetting about basic coaching and development. The answer is always to buy and some clubs just don't have that option and it leads to these sort of problems.

[Kano]

We have no chance of winning the league if Wenger goes either its that simple. I agree a new manager should come in, Wenger going changes nothing.

Anyone who think a new manager will be given more money etc.. by this board are deluding themselves.

City will pump another billion to retain their title and may do the same for another 2 years. We can't compete with us unless this board go or we get taken over by a billionaire its simples.

The days of us being a dominant force for now are over.

when you say dominant force, do you mean like a man utd winning a regularly or at the level we were, before the youth project?

i ask because i think our 'status' as a top team in the uk and the world has remained in place, thanks in the main to the cl saving our blushes. we have never been a team to win the league, even every other season, let alone back-to-back.

now of course the club want to grow into a super club, as we've seen with the stadium move and rebranding of arsenal and the only way it can step into the exclusive man u/barca/madrid type bracket and stay there is to win a stack of trophies alongside the marketing machine.

what we can and should be able to do is at least be nicking the odd trophy here and there, whether it be a cup or the occasional league title and with the players we have had over the past 7 years, that should have been achievable. we all know it has not happened and there are other managers out there that can at least deliver some silverware or at least realistically challenge.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I'm not saying money doesn't matter. I'm saying there is too much of an emphasis on money in football. It was always going to end up going this way. Clubs are forgetting about basic coaching and development. The answer is always to buy and some clubs just don't have that option and it leads to these sort of problems.

I can accept that football will always have those that earn more money and thus can spend more money but I can't accept a club being run like a Ponzi scheme, regardless of how inevitable a conclusion it may have been.

[Power n Glory]

Well yes it is, but when a club has the infinite money cheat on the rest of us might as well give up and go home.
Utd and Arsenal have money because of previous success which has generated a large fan base and thus lots of money. At least when Utd throw money around it is their own money.
City were in mid-table, they get taken over by someone who just decides to throw money at them till they win the league just 'cos he can. It's not just they can buy any player they want, they can buy players to stop their rivals getting stronger. I still think that we would have signed SWP back when Chelsea had the infinite money cheat on but no, they doubled the price, bought him and stuck him on the bench. Cos they could. Their squad gets stronger still, they prevent us from getting stronger.

The level of money, and the uneven distribution of it, has been increasing exponentially for a while now - pretty much since the PL started. Chelsea and now City have taken it to increasingly obscene levels though. I want Arsenal to be winning trophies but not like that.

And we can't compete with City financially. Nobody can. This is why there has to be focus on training, devlopment and tactics. I admire and agree with the youth development system we have here, but I don't agree with the way our players are coached and think we're breeding players with bad habits and a weak mentality.

Plus, I'm not 100% sold on clubs being built purely on success on the field.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

when you say dominant force, do you mean like a man utd winning a regularly or at the level we were, before the youth project?

i ask because i think our 'status' as a top team in the uk and the world has remained in place, thanks in the main to the cl saving our blushes. we have never been a team to win the league, even every other season, let alone back-to-back.

now of course the club want to grow into a super club, as we've seen with the stadium move and rebranding of arsenal and the only way it can step into the exclusive man u/barca/madrid type bracket and stay there is to win a stack of trophies alongside the marketing machine.

what we can and should be able to do is at least be nicking the odd trophy here and there, whether it be a cup or the occasional league title and with the players we have had over the past 7 years, that should have been achievable. we all know it has not happened and there are other managers out there that can at least deliver some silverware or at least realistically challenge.

Yes at a manc level
Some people on here think that With AW gone we will go on and Win the league a few times in a row etc.. Had chavs not got into money and the Invincibles been younger we'd have had an era of dominance i believe.

But it was not too be. Now i just can't see us doing that well not under Wenger or anew manager any time soon.

what we can and should be able to do is at least be nicking the odd trophy here and there, whether it be a cup or the occasional league title and with the players we have had over the past 7 years, that should have been achievable. we all know it has not happened and there are other managers out there that can at least deliver some silverware or at least realistically challenge.

I agree and this is why i believe Wenger and the board, (both to blame for this) to leave the club they have failed and no amout of excuses can cover this up.

I just can't see us wining the league soon and im fine with that as long as we pick up a few cup and challenge for the league. Till we can get ourselves in a place where we can challenge City at the top.

[Marc Overmars]

Yes at a manc level
Some people on here think that With AW gone we will go on and Win the league a few times in a row etc.

No one thinks that.

[Power n Glory]

I can accept that football will always have those that earn more money and thus can spend more money but I can't accept a club being run like a Ponzi scheme, regardless of how inevitable a conclusion it may have been.

That's you're choice but as soon as football became a business, this was on the cards.

But I'm still in favour of good management and devlopment. In fact, I still think a skilled manager can topple a super rich club.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

That's you're choice but as soon as football became a business, this was on the cards.

But I'm still in favour of good management and devlopment. In fact, I still think a skilled manager can topple a super rich club.

Yep Sir Alex Showed that didn't he?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

That's you're choice but as soon as football became a business, this was on the cards.

But I'm still in favour of good management and devlopment. In fact, I still think a skilled manager can topple a super rich club.

Well if Fergie can't do it, then there is little hope.

And again, you're saying as though this is a business. It isn't, not when they'd collapse if one person's assets were frozen.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

No one thinks that.

Ok so not on the level i said but near enough.