So what do we do to improve our prospects of mounting a challenge for the league and other competitions.

[Marc Overmars]

I believe it's Dune Coons...

[Joker]

Harsh

Mods* are doing a fine job of modding this forum**




* By Mods i dont mean Maccy

** Note the sarcasm

I'm not calling for "PC gone mad" Stalinist dictatorship at all, but I do think some ground rules need to be in place when it comes to racism, homophobia, etc. On other forums they delete posts that contravene these rules. However, that doesn't stop freedom of speech or people swearing or having heated debates. Maybe some of these "sand coons" comments are jokes, but like I said only regulars to the forum will realise that.

[AKBapologist]

let me spoon fed you again:
IF all those managers, none who still have there jobs at those clubs, have won cups, what does that say about the cups?
are we bigger than the cups now?

IF all those managers, none who still have there jobs at those clubs, have won cups, what does that say about the cups?

Ideally, give him a billion pounds and the pressure to spend it. It's much more likely to get us instant success than replacing him with anyone available.
as no one is good enough in the whole world, what do we do when wenger dies, shut up shop?

surely even you, the master of avoiding answering a question directly can figure that out?

Even though none of your questions have nothing to do with anything.
I would rather be where we are RIGHT NOW, and have the manager we have right now, than any other club in the league, and any other manager beyond SAF. Given cups are practically the luck of the draw, (I honestly think we would have beaten birmingham if RVP wasn't injured in the second half) basing the performance of the manager on them alone is a stupid thing to do.

There are "better managers" on paper sure, some might be a great fit for the club, the management, the ethos, and the squad, most won't, and most of the managers who could do better are otherwise pre-occupied at bigger or richer clubs. Instead of conceeding the point that changing manager is more likely to do more harm than good, given the evidence (looking at the EPL over the last 5 years) - your suggesting it's the best way. It isn't. Giving AW loads of money is, given the evidence.

Why that is so difficult to swallow for you lot has more to do with you than anything else tbh.

[Joker]

Even though none of your questions have nothing to do with anything.
I would rather be where we are RIGHT NOW, and have the manager we have right now, than any other club in the league, and any other manager beyond SAF. Given cups are practically the luck of the draw, (I honestly think we would have beaten birmingham if RVP wasn't injured in the second half) basing the performance of the manager on them alone is a stupid thing to do.

There are "better managers" on paper sure, some might be a great fit for the club, the management, the ethos, and the squad, most won't, and most of the managers who could do better are otherwise pre-occupied at bigger or richer clubs. Instead of conceeding the point that changing manager is more likely to do more harm than good, given the evidence (looking at the EPL over the last 5 years) - your suggesting it's the best way. It isn't. Giving AW loads of money is, given the evidence.

Why that is so difficult to swallow for you lot has more to do with you than anything else tbh.

Well we've had some extremely easy runs in cups and still haven't ended up with a trophy. Our run to the final of the CC wasn't the most taxing, and we managed to avoid Chelsea, Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool etc. The same when we went to the semi final against Chelsea, we only faced one top division club in that run (Hull in the previous round).

So even if your argument about the luck of the draw is true, we've benefited from that at times and still haven't capitalised, falling at the first "serious" challenge we face.

[Niall_Quinn]

I'm not calling for "PC gone mad" Stalinist dictatorship at all, but I do think some ground rules need to be in place when it comes to racism, homophobia, etc. On other forums they delete posts that contravene these rules. However, that doesn't stop freedom of speech or people swearing or having heated debates. Maybe some of these "sand coons" comments are jokes, but like I said only regulars to the forum will realise that.

To be fair, your own comments recently have been the most extreme I have seen on here.

[Joker]

To be fair, your own comments recently have been the most extreme I have seen on here.

Which comments are those then? If you're talking about the "vermin" stuff yes that was OTT and I apologise. However, it doesn't detract from my overall point though.

[Kano]

Even though none of your questions have nothing to do with anything.
I would rather be where we are RIGHT NOW, and have the manager we have right now, than any other club in the league, and any other manager beyond SAF. Given cups are practically the luck of the draw, (I honestly think we would have beaten birmingham if RVP wasn't injured in the second half) basing the performance of the manager on them alone is a stupid thing to do.

There are "better managers" on paper sure, some might be a great fit for the club, the management, the ethos, and the squad, most won't, and most of the managers who could do better are otherwise pre-occupied at bigger or richer clubs. Instead of conceeding the point that changing manager is more likely to do more harm than good, given the evidence (looking at the EPL over the last 5 years) - your suggesting it's the best way. It isn't. Giving AW loads of money is, given the evidence.

Why that is so difficult to swallow for you lot has more to do with you than anything else tbh.

again, questions avoided.

yes it's nice and fluffy where we are right now but football is ever evolving and you die unless you move forward - how long can we keep scraping into the top 4, juggling too much before we drop all the balls? i would rather be proactive than reactive.

basing the performance of a team over 7 years is more than a fair assessment. Sure a season or two is not enough but repeated patterns only lead to one thing – which is the staleness we face now. If i and many others didn’t believe we could not have achieved more during that time without breaking the bank, then the noise against the manager would not be growing but it is because we have all see the same things manifest again and again.

how can i conceded a point that we would lose more by changing the manager when that is based on nothing. do you think montpellier should give the title to psg this season? Or Dortmund give it to Bayern, before apologising for beating them twice?

money is not the answer here. getting the maximum out of the resources available to you is the key here and something wenger has not done for a while now, despite still doing a good job.

[Joker]

Still can't see how you can say cups are simply "luck of the draw" either. That's only one element of it. If you look at the history of both the FA and Carling Cups, it's teams that are generally successful that win those trophies (although you get anomalies like Portsmouth winning it). The fact that our performances in the cups has been so poor can be criticised.

[Niall_Quinn]

Which comments are those then? If you're talking about the "vermin" stuff yes that was OTT and I apologise. However, it doesn't detract from my overall point though.

Well it does a bit, because guests coming on here might have thought - wow! And the mods didn't do a damn thing about it - which is 100% correct because grown ups from days gone past knew very well that sticks and stones broke bones, not words.

[Flavs]

But I think he is too optimistic and is looking for too many 'maybes' like Diaby or Wilshere to turn into a 'yes' like for Van Persie this season.

This is where our transfer policy has come from until last summer as well IMO, early doors Wenger's magic hat was legendary, the board then saw this as a sur fire way to make shit loads of money with very little expenditure (Anelka £750k in £27mil out) and we formed a sketchy business model around that, out went the older higher paid guys and in came the young no names like Bendtner and Senderos.

Sadly its not worked and until last summer, when we were forced to change, we used that as our model to success, which didn't work.

Hopefully we have realigned to a more realistic approach now.