Good Bye RVP!

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Anyone with half a brain knows that anything Man City 'achieve' is empty and meaningless. Luckily for them most players, and quite a lot of fans, have less than half a brain so they don't care.

I give RvP a bit more credit.

im not sure it discredits their achievements as much as you make out, at the end of the day, they've won trophies and we haven't, yet our balance sheet looks good and our values mostly in tact. which is more impressive? id say their achievement.

problem is we're at a time and generation where the only way of achieving success is through heavy spending; it's not just in football it's in every aspect of life. businesses that have come out of the recession are spending heavily to get them back to where they used to be before the recession, teenagers need to spent a shitload in tuition fees to get a decent career, i read today that the the EU are contemplating adding more to the pot to help countries like greece get out of the mess they find themselves in. utter madness !

long gone are the days when values and morals really mattered because everyone is looking for a quick fix; respect nowadays revolves around who earns the most and how quickly they made it, not what they done during the process or ethical issues. but at the same time, i dont think that should discredit what has been achieved and the success that has been created, especially in football; there's been a clear change and progression from the mid 1990's and it means clubs need to spend bucket loads to get to the top. put simply, if that's what they have to do, then that's what they have to do. we can't sit here and say 'only man utd, arsenal, liverpool can challenge for the title because they've earned it over the years' because that's a cop out. just like everything else, football has moved with the times, and whilst there was a massive hoo-ha at the beginning when clubs like chelsea came into the picture, the gradual desensitisation has bred an air of acceptance into society to a point where it isn't even questioned by the average fan. it's just 'the way it is init'. in 10 years time another takeover may happen and we might be sitting here saying 'cant believe theyve just spent £150m on a player, at least man city only spent £30m on a player!'

i do agree with you that its wrong but there is nothing we can do. if we speak up about it we are labelled as sadistic envious compatriots and backward thinking lunatics. just another thing that adds to the general shitness of modern football but as long as the status quo are making money, we are passive recipients of a global commodity my friend.

[Niall_Quinn]

im not sure it discredits their achievements as much as you make out, at the end of the day, they've won trophies and we haven't, yet our balance sheet looks good and our values mostly in tact. which is more impressive? id say their achievement.

problem is we're at a time and generation where the only way of achieving success is through heavy spending; it's not just in football it's in every aspect of life. businesses that have come out of the recession are spending heavily to get them back to where they used to be before the recession, teenagers need to spent a shitload in tuition fees to get a decent career, i read today that the the EU are contemplating adding more to the pot to help countries like greece get out of the mess they find themselves in. utter madness !

long gone are the days when values and morals really mattered because everyone is looking for a quick fix; respect nowadays revolves around who earns the most and how quickly they made it, not what they done during the process or ethical issues. but at the same time, i dont think that should discredit what has been achieved and the success that has been created, especially in football; there's been a clear change and progression from the mid 1990's and it means clubs need to spend bucket loads to get to the top. put simply, if that's what they have to do, then that's what they have to do. we can't sit here and say 'only man utd, arsenal, liverpool can challenge for the title because they've earned it over the years' because that's a cop out. just like everything else, football has moved with the times, and whilst there was a massive hoo-ha at the beginning when clubs like chelsea came into the picture, the gradual desensitisation has bred an air of acceptance into society to a point where it isn't even questioned by the average fan. it's just 'the way it is init'. in 10 years time another takeover may happen and we might be sitting here saying 'cant believe theyve just spent £150m on a player, at least man city only spent £30m on a player!'

i do agree with you that its wrong but there is nothing we can do. if we speak up about it we are labelled as sadistic envious compatriots and backward thinking lunatics. just another thing that adds to the general shitness of modern football but as long as the status quo are making money, we are passive recipients of a global commodity my friend.

plus it's arabs init?

When we reach the point where there's nothing to compare this shit with and the whole thing has gone to hell, that's when their achievement can be recognised I think. But while we can still tell the difference between sport and commerce then it's still possible to say that in terms of a historic competition city's achievement compares poorly to most of what has gone before. Agree though, not long to go before this will all be very normal. When that happens you don't really have sport though.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

plus it's arabs init?

When we reach the point where there's nothing to compare this shit with and the whole thing has gone to hell, that's when their achievement can be recognised I think. But while we can still tell the difference between sport and commerce then it's still possible to say that in terms of a historic competition city's achievement compares poorly to most of what has gone before. Agree though, not long to go before this will all be very normal. When that happens you don't really have sport though.

i agree. that fine line between sport and commerce is gradually crossing and my worry is that it already has, but we're just too blind to see it.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

im not sure it discredits their achievements as much as you make out, at the end of the day, they've won trophies and we haven't, yet our balance sheet looks good and our values mostly in tact. which is more impressive? id say their achievement.

problem is we're at a time and generation where the only way of achieving success is through heavy spending; it's not just in football it's in every aspect of life. businesses that have come out of the recession are spending heavily to get them back to where they used to be before the recession, teenagers need to spent a shitload in tuition fees to get a decent career, i read today that the the EU are contemplating adding more to the pot to help countries like greece get out of the mess they find themselves in. utter madness !

long gone are the days when values and morals really mattered because everyone is looking for a quick fix; respect nowadays revolves around who earns the most and how quickly they made it, not what they done during the process or ethical issues. but at the same time, i dont think that should discredit what has been achieved and the success that has been created, especially in football; there's been a clear change and progression from the mid 1990's and it means clubs need to spend bucket loads to get to the top. put simply, if that's what they have to do, then that's what they have to do. we can't sit here and say 'only man utd, arsenal, liverpool can challenge for the title because they've earned it over the years' because that's a cop out. just like everything else, football has moved with the times, and whilst there was a massive hoo-ha at the beginning when clubs like chelsea came into the picture, the gradual desensitisation has bred an air of acceptance into society to a point where it isn't even questioned by the average fan. it's just 'the way it is init'. in 10 years time another takeover may happen and we might be sitting here saying 'cant believe theyve just spent £150m on a player, at least man city only spent £30m on a player!'

i do agree with you that its wrong but there is nothing we can do. if we speak up about it we are labelled as sadistic envious compatriots and backward thinking lunatics. just another thing that adds to the general shitness of modern football but as long as the status quo are making money, we are passive recipients of a global commodity my friend.

Pretty much.

Should people just Accept the money and STFU or should they still believe in the Values of the game.

[Özim]

There's a problem with this shallow success theory IMO, if we suddenly got taken over spend a shedload and won countless trophies I refuse to believe the fans wouldn't be absolutely thrilled (regardless of what some might say). Right now we're in the morally superior scenario of course and it's easy to say success is hollow because firstly we're not getting any and can point to the money spend as an excuse and secondly we're not in that situation.

I've said it before, find me a Chelsea and now Man City fan who isn't ecstatic about the success and the change of ownership, I doubt you'll find any because at the end of the day watching your team succeed by whatever means is a great feeling, ultimately everyone wants to see their club win.

I don't think our current situation is enjoyable, yes we're self sustaining and making a profit but what have we actually got to show for it except for a healthy balance sheet? We have precious few top players, no success in years, a board who are happy with this and feel 4th place is success and a manager who thinks likewise.

RVP has a choice, he can stay with us and finish off his career with in all likelyness just an FA Cup medal from 2005, alternatively he can move to a more ambitious club with ambitions to succeed, being triumphant in adversity is great, but let's be realistic what hope is there of us being successful as we are, I'd say there's very little hope.

It's pretty hypocritical to take a morally superior stance whilst being happy to fleece the fans for a bit of cash IMO.

[Cripps_orig]

There's a problem with this shallow success theory IMO, if we suddenly got taken over spend a shedload and won countless trophies I refuse to believe the fans wouldn't be absolutely thrilled (regardless of what some might say). Right now we're in the morally superior scenario of course and it's easy to say success is hollow because firstly we're not getting any and can point to the money spend as an excuse and secondly we're not in that situation.

I've said it before, find me a Chelsea and now Man City fan who isn't ecstatic about the success and the change of ownership, I doubt you'll find any because at the end of the day watching your team succeed by whatever means is a great feeling, ultimately everyone wants to see their club win.

I don't think our current situation is enjoyable, yes we're self sustaining and making a profit but what have we actually got to show for it except for a healthy balance sheet? We have precious few top players, no success in years, a board who are happy with this and feel 4th place is success and a manager who thinks likewise.

RVP has a choice, he can stay with us and finish off his career with in all likelyness just an FA Cup medal from 2005, alternatively he can move to a more ambitious club with ambitions to succeed, being triumphant in adversity is great, but let's be realistic what hope is there of us being successful as we are, I'd say there's very little hope.

Thats pretty optimistic of you

[Olivier's xmas twist]

There's a problem with this shallow success theory IMO, if we suddenly got taken over spend a shedload and won countless trophies I refuse to believe the fans wouldn't be absolutely thrilled (regardless of what some might say). Right now we're in the morally superior scenario of course and it's easy to say success is hollow because firstly we're not getting any and can point to the money spend as an excuse and secondly we're not in that situation.

I've said it before, find me a Chelsea and now Man City fan who isn't ecstatic about the success and the change of ownership, I doubt you'll find any because at the end of the day watching your team succeed by whatever means is a great feeling, ultimately everyone wants to see their club win.

I don't think our current situation is enjoyable, yes we're self sustaining and making a profit but what have we actually got to show for it except for a healthy balance sheet? We have precious few top players, no success in years, a board who are happy with this and feel 4th place is success and a manager who thinks likewise.

RVP has a choice, he can stay with us and finish off his career with in all likelyness just an FA Cup medal from 2005, alternatively he can move to a more ambitious club with ambitions to succeed, being triumphant in adversity is great, but let's be realistic what hope is there of us being successful as we are, I'd say there's very little hope.

It's pretty hypocritical to take a morally superior stance whilst being happy to fleece the fans for a bit of cash IMO.

Yes he has a choice does not mean he has to go to city though, he could go to most teams and win the league. Fabregas did not go to city. Yes he wanted to go home, but if really wanted too he could have chose City too.

And who is taking the morally superior stance?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Thats pretty optimistic of you

As long as the players believe thats the most important thing.

[Özim]

Thats pretty optimistic of you

I try my best

[Özim]

Yes he has a choice does not mean he has to go to city though, he could go to most teams and win the league. Fabregas did not go to city. Yes he wanted to go home, but if really wanted too he could have chose City too.

And who is taking the morally superior stance?

No of course not, but any club he goes to will be big spenders, the top clubs always are.

The club does for a start, with it's stance on rich owners and how we can't compete, there's a general morally superior attitude to our club though to be honest, maybe it's to deflect attention away from the fact we've not picked up any silverware in the last 7 years.