Good Bye RVP!

[Letters]

There's a problem with this shallow success theory IMO, if we suddenly got taken over spend a shedload and won countless trophies I refuse to believe the fans wouldn't be absolutely thrilled (regardless of what some might say).

Most fans are stupid so yes, you're right.
It's not how I would want Arsenal to achieve success.

I've said it before, find me a Chelsea and now Man City fan who isn't ecstatic about the success

My best man is a Chelsea fan, he's wearied by it all too. He's in the minority of course, like I said most football fans are pretty stupid. Those who aren't can see the difference.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I've said it before, find me a Chelsea and now Man City fan who isn't ecstatic about the success and the change of ownership, I doubt you'll find any because at the end of the day watching your team succeed by whatever means is a great feeling, ultimately everyone wants to see their club win.

Oh i know a few Chav fans not happy about the Billionaires coming into their club. I heard on the radio today a few Pool fans who hate all the Owners in their club undoing Shankly's hard work. There are fans out there who believe this lets not get it twisted. Some fans still believe in Values of football and the team.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

My best man is a Chelsea fan

LDG is a Chelsea fan?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

No of course not, but any club he goes to will be big spenders, the top clubs always are.

The club does for a start, with it's stance on rich owners and how we can't compete, there's a general morally superior attitude to our club though to be honest, maybe it's to deflect attention away from the fact we've not picked up any silverware in the last 7 years.

I don't think its that. the board members still believe in values and don't seem to realise the game has changed and they need to put money into the team if it is to be successful.

The way we are run is not bad its only the people at the top neglect the team more then they should.

[Özim]

Most fans are stupid so yes, you're right.
It's not how I would want Arsenal to achieve success.


My best man is a Chelsea fan, he's wearied by it all too. He's in the minority of course, like I said most football fans are pretty stupid. Those who aren't can see the difference.

Are you saying he's not enjoyed seeing his club win the league and cups numerous times and seeing top players at his club?

Would he rather the club won nothing and sold all it's best players instead?

[Özim]

I don't think its that. the board members still believe in values and don't seem to realise the game has changed and they need to put money into the team if it is to be successful.

The way we are run is not bad its only the people at the top neglect the team more then they should.

They believe in these values and yet are happy to charge fans the highest ticket prices and tell them to effectively shut up when things aren't going as they should be?

I don't believe they have values, I believe they suffer from greed. You can't have it both ways really, there's no excuse for the attitude of the board frankly...if anything rich owners have given them an get out clause by allowing them to come out with the stuff about not being able to compete.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

They believe in these values and yet are happy to charge fans the highest ticket prices and tell them to effectively shut up when things aren't going as they should be?

I don't believe they have values, I believe they suffer from greed.

Arsenal is been run like it has always been its football thats moved on. These people have always been business men etc.

Do they suffer from greed a lil all businessmen do. Everything single owner in the prem does. Its just others are willing to invest more in the team then most.

Of course they have values. Do you think the Late Danny Fizman would have sold his shares to Stan if he did not think it would be beneficial to the club. Same with Lady Nina.

[Özim]

Arsenal is been run like it has always been its football thats moved on. These people have always been business men etc.

Do they suffer from greed a lil all businessmen do. Everything single owner in the prem does. Its just others are willing to invest more in the team then most.

Of course they have values. Do you think the Late Danny Fizman would have sold his shares to Stan if he did not think it would be beneficial to the club. Same with Lady Nina.

I don't agree here, when we had Dein on board ambition came into it, it wasn't just about money, football also mattered.

As for Danny Fizman, I don't wish to speak ill of the dead but I'm not sure he was all heart either:

In March 2007 Fiszman sold a block of 659 shares for over £3.9m to Stan Kroenke Sports Enterprises (KSE).[7] This was a significant sale as reducing his stake to less than 25% resulted in a loss of veto rights over any future changes to the company statutes. Speculation linked this with a move abroad where he would substantially reduce any Capital Gains Tax liability that would come with a sale of his stake in the club.[8] Fiszman stated his desire not sell any more of his shares for the foreseeable future,[9] after the sale of 5,000 ordinary shares to Kroenke takes the American's stake in Arsenal Holdings plc to 12,756 Shares (representing 20.5%). On 27 March 2009 Fiszman sold 5,000 ordinary shares of £1 each in Arsenal Holdings plc to KSE, UK, Inc, at a price of £8,500 per share.

Wikipedia

Now sure he chose to sell to Stan but maybe it's because he didn't want Usmanov involved and maybe because he thought his family would be better off with the cash rather than a stake in the club, who knows. He was in cahoots with PHW though, so it made sense to sell to Kroenke.

[Kano]

dein sold his shares to the russian dude, so what's the difference?

[Özim]

Well yes he did, but I suspect this was an unwise perhaps irrational show of defiance after being thrown off the board in pretty a deplorable way.

I wish he'd kept hold of those, perhaps he wishes he had to, but the way he was treated was disrepectful considering what he'd done and how important he was to us.