Fabregas goes to Barca for £35million

[Niall_Quinn]

That is so wrong I don't know where to start.

If Cesc goes for 35m, hell if he goes for anything less than 50m, it's a good deal for Barca but there's been an undercurrent of opinion for a while that the team might be better off without him, others stepping up and taking responsibility or him just not being suited to the Premiership. If they're right it'd work out but I can't help but think we're getting done, at a time when we need guys with the right attitude we could be losing a world class guy who has that right attitude for less than he's worth.

I'm talking in football terms, in business terms I agree - the stadium move has been a spectacular success for the board members. On the pitch though - well you know how that worked out.

You'r suspicions are right about Fabregas. If instead of worrying about how much we can flog him for, if the board and manager had a shred of ambition and decided instead to put a few world class players around him, then what? Holy shit, we might win something. Let's just say, there isn't another Fabregas lurking anywhere, whatever we end up with in midfield next year will be inferior. Certainly it's possible an inferior player might be better suited to a change in style but that implies Wenger is willing to change. Fat chance of that.

[Flavs]

Wouldnt it be really, really fuckin funny though if on Friday we announce we have sold Fabregas to Real Madrid for £15mil and benzema. Can you imagine the look on the Barca players faces? I genuinely believe that Pique would swoon..

Fabs then goes on to be a hate figure of Figo/Ronaldo stature for Barca fans

[Darth Vela]

I'm talking in footballing terms too.

We're never going to agree on that though so it's not so much 'debate'.

[Niall_Quinn]

I'm talking in footballing terms too.

We're never going to agree on that though so it's not so much 'debate'.

It's going to be hard to get behind this club next season. I will of course, but I can't stand fucking losers who won't help themselves. That's what Wenger is, a bloke who wants to moan about and blame what every other club is doing instead of getting on and fixing the mess he's made at home. Yes, we can agree to disagree but surely nobody is in disagreement about the tragic comedy that unfolds on the pitch? If this is a step forward then we need to slow down, maybe go into reverse for a while. We might win something.

[Cripps_orig]

Busquets is the latest to speak about Cesc

[Letters]

So you think the moral superiority cup is coming our way again next season? If it wasn't for the humiliating reversals on the pitch we could gloat at the nasty Manchester Utds and Chelseas, poor sods have to spend money to win things. Losers.

I think that in 10 or 20 years time our strategy will have been shown to be correct.
It's nothing to do with morality. If you rely on a sugar daddy then he's your weak point. If he walks away you could be in trouble.
If you live beyond your means then that is unsustainable and at some point you could be in trouble.

Yes, Chelsea have won trophies. Well done them. But they've done it by spending big. You know as well as I they wouldn't have won anything in the last decade without Abramovic. If their fans don't care then that's because they're morons. I wouldn't want Arsenal to achieve success that way. It would be as meaningless as buying a degree off the internet rather than working for it.

[Letters]

It will take megabucks to replace the talent of Fabregas if we let him go on the cheap. And as it will take megabucks, it won't happen.

I disagree. If anything I think we've become too reliant on him and could be as good in midfield with Nasri, Wilshere and Ramsey in midfield.
If Cesc goes then I would like to see a replacement but it wouldn't be like for like and I don't think it would cost megabucks.
Like when Henry went, we just played a different way and we were far better the following season without him.

[Darth Vela]

It's going to be hard to get behind this club next season. I will of course, but I can't stand fucking losers who won't help themselves. That's what Wenger is, a bloke who wants to moan about and blame what every other club is doing instead of getting on and fixing the mess he's made at home. Yes, we can agree to disagree but surely nobody is in disagreement about the tragic comedy that unfolds on the pitch? If this is a step forward then we need to slow down, maybe go into reverse for a while. We might win something.

I agree with everything you've said in the first part of the post, I just don't think it applies to Wenger. No-one can dispute there's problems, there's just a lot of variety in opinions on how bad they are and what's required to fix it, the only thing I KNOW for certain is that Wenger is trying to solve them and wants to win again as much as any of us; if he can't, he should go, no argument from me.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Busquets is the latest to speak about Cesc

You really suprised, i mean they have had everyone but the mascott talk about him so far one more player won't hurt.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

We live within our means and don't rely on a sugar daddy.
I would argue that we're trying to do things the 'right' way rather than getting ourselves in silly levels of of debt or being some billionaire's plaything.
I applaud that. Long term I still think that will be shown to have been the right thing to do.

What's annoying is while others have spent big Wenger has built a squad which is capable of challenging but doesn't because of poor defensive coaching and weak mentality, things which it wouldn't take megabucks to fix.

This. I think Wengers big problem over the years was mainly CC and fa cup snobbery. i think had we taken those more seriously and won those trophies a few times in the last few seasons, winning the league will come into its own.

end of the day no point in moaning about Wenger or shouting wenger out i have decided because he ain't going anywhere for a few years yet. so ill get behind him for a season at least and hope he does what needs to done for the love of the club.