Good Bye RVP!

[Power n Glory]

I don't know what you mean by 'random' but I don't believe it is just chance, no. As I've said, I think there are many factors that go into it. But I think we may be limited in terms of the money we offer relative to some other clubs (certainly Chelsea, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Man City - to name the main clubs we've lost our star players to in recent years), and so it would be foolish to rule out that money is an issue. Other factors would also come in to it.

I think there are probably many problems with the way this club is run. The priorities between fans/players and the club don't seem to be fully aligned. There are major injury problems that we can't seem to sort out efficiently. There are many reasons why players would want to leave. Money is one and, I would argue, an important one.

Money's an issue but some players turn down bigger clubs or clubs offering more money to play at Arsenal. Wasn't that the case with Nasri and Hleb? I can't remember, but I've heard new signings come out and say they've picked us as a club over certain other clubs but they like the way we play. Didn't Gallas take a pay cut like Arteta?

Then we have long serving players like Henry and Cesc that could have moved on years ago but stayed even though they were on the radars of many top clubs. We're a club known for not paying massive fees but players still want to come and play for us. Moeny's an issue but the lack of ambition is the real killer. Henry and Cesc were on good money here and I think Cesc has taken a pay cut to play for Barca.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I don't think it matters where he goes. Us not selling to Man City is not going to have any impact whatsoever on their ability to win the league or our inability to do so.

I'm also past the point of caring how much we get for him. We aren't going to benefit at all because the money from transfers is rarely re-invested in the team. I'm pretty fed up with how the Club is run. It simply has not adapted to the new environment in which we operate. Sure, we can't buy the best players, but we can buy very good players, but we simply don't attempt to make maximum use of the resources we have available to us.

Finally, as regards Van Persie, he is currently with a Club that isn't making maximum use of its resources, has historically discriminated against players of his age - regardless of ability and is unlikely to win anything during the likely term of any contract he signs. Bearing that in mind, who'd blame him for leaving? But on the flip side, most other Clubs would have sent him to the glue factory years ago, but we stood by him, both club and fans and after 8 years, he finally has a good season and now the Club does not meet his ambitions! Was the Club meeting his ambitions when they were paying him shedloads to sit on a fricken treatment table?!?!

I'm disillusioned by it all and just want this sorted quickly but am resigned to the negativity dragging on for weeks and weeks, just as it does every season.

[-Xs-]

Just sell him to Juve for 8 mill and have done with it.

[Cripps_orig]

GB makes a good point.

RVP has stated his intentions to fuck off so get him fucked off asap. We dont want none of this "hes staying til next summer" BS only for us to sell him after the season has started and we've conceded 8 to whoever we play away at. That will be unforgivable.

I dont care where he goes. Abroad or City or even Man utd if the gossip column is to be believed, he'll always be a **** to me

[Power n Glory]

I actually think we're stupid enough to keep him for another season. Wenger didn't get his way with Nasri but I think he'll get his way here. Listen to the noise coming out of the club and I think they're prepared to keep him regardless. the disruption this will cause...

[Cripps_orig]

If hes here next season, does he stay as captain?

A captain whos not committed?

Sounds about right for us.

We're in turmoil

[-Xs-]

I don't think they will - they really are clueless if they do. He has basically made his position untenable, arguably quite purposefully to engineer a move, by refusing to sign. The fans wont respond well to him, and it could cause disharmony in the dressing room

[Syn]

I actually think we're stupid enough to keep him for another season. Wenger didn't get his way with Nasri but I think he'll get his way here. Listen to the noise coming out of the club and I think they're prepared to keep him regardless. the disruption this will cause...

I'm mixed on this. I don't think we have much to gain from getting rid of him either. What's he going to do - sulk for a year? It's in his best interests to play very well for a mega contract. This is why I feel it's a little bit dick move by Van Persie to pretty much make it clear that there are differences between himself and Wenger/Gazidis - because nobody expects him to stay now.

The club's response seems like the usual bollocks - they surely can't expect him to fulfil his contract. I'd go as far as to say I'd actually be impressed if the club played hardball and held on to him.

If Van Persie is forced to play out his contract, I think the positive of having him on the pitch will outweigh the annoyance (and it is just that) of having the media say "what will Arsenal do next season when vP leaves) - we're numb to that by now. When he scores a few goals, fans will soon get behind him and just accept the situation for what it is.

[Power n Glory]

I'm mixed on this. I don't think we have much to gain from getting rid of him either. What's he going to do - sulk for a year? It's in his best interests to play very well for a mega contract. This is why I feel it's a little bit dick move by Van Persie to pretty much make it clear that there are differences between himself and Wenger/Gazidis - because nobody expects him to stay now.

The club's response seems like the usual bollocks - they surely can't expect him to fulfil his contract. I'd go as far as to say I'd actually be impressed if the club played hardball and held on to him.

If Van Persie is forced to play out his contract, I think the positive of having him on the pitch will outweigh the annoyance (and it is just that) of having the media say "what will Arsenal do next season when vP leaves) - we're numb to that by now. When he scores a few goals, fans will soon get behind him and just accept the situation for what it is.

If we intend to keep him for a year, at least everyone knows where we stand. We won't have constant speculation from the press and we can get on with the season. But I don't think it's wise. Fans will boo and he might not get over the abuse that easily. That will affect the players around him plus I'm not I'd it's wise having him around the team if he's off next season. What sort of advice can he give to other players? Ever been around a bitter co worker that hates the his job and company and you're the new guy on the job? It's not motivating.

Theo is probably out the door next, followed by Song. That's the last of the old school regulars.

[fakeyank]

If we intend to keep him for a year, at least everyone knows where we stand. We won't have constant speculation from the press and we can get on with the season. But I don't think it's wise. Fans will boo and he might not get over the abuse that easily. That will affect the players around him plus I'm not I'd it's wise having him around the team if he's off next season. What sort of advice can he give to other players? Ever been around a bitter co worker that hates the his job and company and you're the new guy on the job? It's not motivating.

Theo is probably out the door next, followed by Song. That's the last of the old school regulars.

Make the fucker play with the reserves. Let's see a big club coming for him next season. We gotta do like a boss!